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| 00:37:41 | <gedda> | hmm, it works in my minimal example, I'll continue digging |
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| 00:42:46 | <_forest> | Hi |
| 00:43:22 | <_forest> | Could really use some help with some basic questions |
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| 00:48:39 | <koala_man> | welp |
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| 01:04:13 | <gedda> | ok i figured out what broke between the updates |
| 01:04:42 | <gedda> | I was using ìmport X as Y` and then doing lookupValueName "X.Foo", which now doesn't work anymore |
| 01:05:04 | <gedda> | removing `as Y` fixes it |
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| 01:06:07 | <gedda> | in hindsight im a little bit surprised it worked in the first place |
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| 01:24:37 | <reaverb> | Hello! I am trying to compile a cabal project with profiling (cabal v2-build --enable-profiling). However, I get a "Could not find module 'Graphics.Rendering.OpenGL.GL' Perhaps you haven't installed the profiling libraries for package ..." error. |
| 01:24:38 | <reaverb> | Compilation without profiling (cabal v2-build) works fine. All of the above is true even if I delete and rebuild my entire ~/.cabal directory. |
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| 01:30:12 | <Squarism> | it feels to me that for classes having functional dependencies you would be able skip arguments that are given by other arguments? But this isnt the case. |
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| 01:38:30 | <infinisil> | Squarism: Example? |
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| 01:45:03 | <Squarism> | infinisil, Maybe im missing something. I mean if i have : class K a b | a -> b. Wouldnt it suffice to refer to K in say foo :: K a => a -> WhatEvs with only one argument? |
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| 01:46:32 | <Squarism> | I guess it can be handy to have b available for different purposes on usage too. Nvm, maybe this is not a problem. =D |
| 01:47:09 | <infinisil> | I guess it could be inferred yeah |
| 01:47:58 | <infinisil> | But I think one of the points of multiparam type classes is to define these type relationships |
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| 02:36:25 | <texasmynsted> | you can't put a signature above an assignment with let like you can with a function or a where assignment, right? |
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| 02:40:18 | <koz_> | texasmynsted: No, but you can do 'let foo :: IAmAThing = ... in ....' |
| 02:40:51 | <texasmynsted> | hmm |
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| 02:41:00 | <texasmynsted> | That might work for what I want. |
| 02:41:03 | <texasmynsted> | Thank you |
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| 03:11:34 | <ski> | texasmynsted,koz_ : yes you can |
| 03:11:43 | <koz_> | ski: Oh? |
| 03:12:10 | <ski> | just indent properly (or use `;') |
| 03:12:17 | <texasmynsted> | this is the let inside a do |
| 03:12:24 | <ski> | works there too |
| 03:12:31 | <ski> | (and also in list comprehensions) |
| 03:13:02 | <texasmynsted> | could you show me? |
| 03:13:19 | <ski> | > let f x | let y = x = x in f 0 -- and apparently with pattern guards, as well |
| 03:13:20 | <lambdabot> | 0 |
| 03:13:25 | <ski> | do ..blah.. |
| 03:13:33 | <ski> | let foo :: Int -> Bool |
| 03:13:48 | <ski> | foo x = x > 0 |
| 03:13:53 | <ski> | ... |
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| 03:14:12 | <ski> | (you can put multiple definitions into the same `let', if you want) |
| 03:15:09 | <texasmynsted> | hmm |
| 03:15:17 | <texasmynsted> | it was unhappy when I did that |
| 03:15:27 | <texasmynsted> | I will try again. |
| 03:15:34 | <ski> | probably you didn't align properly (or perhaps you used tabs) |
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| 03:15:38 | <texasmynsted> | going to try moving some things around a bit |
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| 03:16:01 | <texasmynsted> | In my case it was the second assignment in the let, if that makes a difference |
| 03:16:23 | <ski> | (btw, they're not assignments. they're bindings. definitions, specifically) |
| 03:16:46 | <ski> | (there is no variable assignment in Haskell) |
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| 03:17:11 | <texasmynsted> | why? What is the distinction? |
| 03:17:27 | <ski> | assignment is about changing the value that a variable refers to |
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| 03:17:36 | <texasmynsted> | Is this to indicate lazy evaluation |
| 03:17:42 | <ski> | no |
| 03:17:44 | <texasmynsted> | oh okay |
| 03:18:12 | <texasmynsted> | so because the symbols are immutable and assignment would not make sense? |
| 03:18:13 | <ski> | in some languages, `x := x + 1' or `x = x + 1' will assign one plus the previous value of `x', to `x', incrementing it |
| 03:18:30 | <texasmynsted> | s/and/then/ |
| 03:18:37 | <ski> | in Haskell, `x = x + 1' is a recursive definition, defining an `x' that is one plus itself |
| 03:18:44 | <texasmynsted> | right |
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| 03:23:44 | <ski> | "so because the symbols are immutable then assignment would not make sense?" -- yes |
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| 03:24:27 | <texasmynsted> | In English, binding and assignment sound like the same concept |
| 03:24:39 | <koz_> | In English, a lot of different things sound the same. |
| 03:24:43 | <ski> | they're very different |
| 03:24:46 | <texasmynsted> | LOL |
| 03:24:48 | <koz_> | This is why we develop a vocabulary which is precise. |
| 03:24:49 | <texasmynsted> | got it |
| 03:24:55 | <koz_> | So we can avoid wondering wtf someone actually meant./ |
| 03:24:57 | <ski> | binding is about associating a *name* to some entity |
| 03:25:11 | <texasmynsted> | okay |
| 03:25:18 | <ski> | assignment is about *changing* the value of some *mutable* thing |
| 03:25:38 | <ski> | variable shadowing is about binding |
| 03:25:58 | <texasmynsted> | mutating sounds like changing the value of some mutable thing |
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| 03:26:17 | <ski> | > let x = 2 in (let x = 3 in x) + x |
| 03:26:18 | <lambdabot> | 5 |
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| 03:26:29 | <ski> | `x' is not changed here |
| 03:26:45 | <ski> | instead, there's two different `x' variables in use, in that example |
| 03:27:17 | <ski> | in a language with variable assignment, variables are not bound to values, but to mutable locations |
| 03:28:29 | <ski> | in Haskell, variables are bound to (initially) unevaluated expressions (that will yield a value, when evaluated, or else diverge (infinite loop, or some run-time failure, e.g. pattern-match failure)) |
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| 03:29:13 | <ski> | there's also other variants of binding. `type String = [Char]' binds `String' to a type, in Haskell |
| 03:29:56 | <ski> | an expression is evaluated in order to get its value |
| 03:30:31 | <ski> | in a language with side-effects, a command is executed in order to perform the effects |
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| 03:31:01 | <ski> | a declaration is elaborated, in order to yield a binding (or set of bindings, in general) |
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| 03:32:42 | <ski> | to evaluate the expression `let <decls> in <expr>' in Haskell, you elaborate the declaration(s) `<decls>', add the resulting bindings to your current (value) environment (telling you what variables are in scope, and what values they're bound to), and then, using that environment, evaluate the expression `<expr>' (whose value will be the value of the whole expression. the extended environment is discarded at |
| 03:32:48 | <ski> | the end) |
| 03:33:12 | <ski> | a pattern is matched (against a value) in order to yield a set of bindings |
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| 03:34:18 | <ski> | expression, command, declaration, pattern, type are all different kinds of phrases that may occur in a programming language, and each of them have their own notion of "running" |
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| 03:36:11 | <ski> | given an expression like `x + y*z', you can *abstract* it over some variables (possibly) occuring in it. e.g. the function abstraction `\x z -> x + y*z' (an expression. aka lambda expression). if you want to, you can give a name to it (by producing a declaration), like `f = \x z -> x + y*z' .. which happens to be equivalent to the declaration `f x z = x + y*z' |
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| 03:36:45 | <ski> | so, abstracting an expression (over some parameters/variables) yields a function |
| 03:36:59 | <ski> | similarly, abstracting a command yields a procedure |
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| 03:38:08 | <ski> | abstracting a type yields a type function. e.g. `type ReadS a = String -> [(a,String)]'. the type expression `String -> [(a,String)]' was abstracted over the (type) variable `a' |
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| 03:39:06 | <ski> | with an extension, you can also abstract patterns, defining shorthands for more complicated patterns |
| 03:39:57 | <ski> | (you can't abstract declarations in Haskell. parameterizing modules would be something similar. the MLs allow this) |
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| 03:41:33 | <koz_> | :t replicateM_ |
| 03:41:34 | <lambdabot> | Applicative m => Int -> m a -> m () |
| 03:41:53 | <ski> | imperative languages that support assignment, not only to (mutable) variables, but also to mutable (possibly unnamed) locations (like cells of an array, fields of a record), sometimes allow abstracting over locations ("lvalues") |
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| 03:42:37 | <ski> | in logic programming languages, you have (declarative) statements. abstracting over them yields predicates/relations |
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| 03:44:39 | <ski> | e.g., abstracting over `Person0' and `Person1' in the statement `some [Parent] ( parent_of(Person0,Parent),parent_of(Person1,Parent) )' yields the (half-)sibling relation |
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| 03:46:38 | <ski> | an interesting book about programming paradigms that i read was advocating a number of design principles to consider, when designing a programming language |
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| 03:51:56 | <ski> | "Type Completeness Principle: No operation should be arbitrarily restricted in the types of its operand" -- this is about first-classness of values of the available types. e.g. about being able to pass functions or arrays as parameters or return them as results, from functions |
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| 03:56:10 | <ski> | "Qualification Principle: It is possible to include a block in any syntactic category, provided that the constructs in that syntactic category specify some kind of computation." |
| 03:57:28 | <ski> | (by "block", they here mean introduce a local scope, with some locally bound identifiers. in Haskell, in the case of (value) expressions, this is `let <decls> in <expr>'. but this principle e.g. also suggests introducing a corresponding local binding form, for type expressions) |
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| 03:59:37 | <ski> | "Abstraction Principle: It is possible to design procedures that abstract over any syntactic category, provided only that the constructs in that syntactic category specify some kind of computatoin." (by "procedure", they mean what i termed "abstraction" above. so this suggests allowing abstraction/parameterization of not only value expressions and type expressions, but also of e.g. patterns, locators |
| 03:59:43 | <ski> | (location expressions), &c.) |
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| 04:01:17 | <ski> | "Correspondence Principle: For each form of declaration there exists a corresponding parameter mechanism." -- this is about : if you're able to pass a parameter by value, you should be able to locally declare a variable, bound to a value, and vice versa. if you're able to pass by reference, you should be able to bind by reference, and vice versa. &c. |
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| 04:02:20 | <ski> | (fwiw, the book is "Programming Language Design Concepts" by David A. Watt) |
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| 04:46:26 | <Axman6> | emmanuel_erc: looks like your file encoding is is broken somehow - what does `file thefile` say in the terminal? |
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| 04:56:43 | <emmanuel_erc> | Axman6: I'm not entirely sure what to run "file" on in my case. |
| 04:56:48 | <emmanuel_erc> | But I see your point. |
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| 04:57:09 | <Axman6> | what did you do to cause that error? |
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| 04:57:36 | <emmanuel_erc> | Here's the strange thing. I'm running an obelisk app. With obelisk, you can run the app in a sort of pending mode with "ob run" (it loads everything in a repl like thing, that reloads your app when you save) |
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| 04:57:42 | <emmanuel_erc> | And this error doesn't appear |
| 04:57:50 | <emmanuel_erc> | It only appears when I run the app for real. |
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| 04:57:58 | <Axman6> | maybe a file was half way through saving when it was read? |
| 04:58:02 | <Axman6> | does the error persist? |
| 04:58:07 | <emmanuel_erc> | Yes |
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| 04:58:39 | <emmanuel_erc> | I know that right before the error pops up, I'm calling a binary. |
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| 05:02:10 | <Axman6> | maybe the binary isn't a valid binary |
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| 05:02:48 | <emmanuel_erc> | This is the result when I run file on the binary |
| 05:03:00 | <emmanuel_erc> | I'll put it in pastebin |
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| 05:03:25 | <emmanuel_erc> | https://pastebin.com/PsxsbZfC |
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| 07:47:58 | <nly> | i'm faced with this error http://ix.io/2NrW, how shallst I proceed? |
| 07:48:50 | <nly> | >Couldn't match type ‘IO B.ByteString’ with ‘B.ByteString’ |
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| 07:50:06 | <nly> | i probably have to add 'IO' to some func's type somewhere |
| 07:50:35 | <koz_> | Where's monochrom's guide to IO when you need it... |
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| 07:55:41 | <nly> | Expected type: FilePath -> ... -> IO (Either Errno B.ByteString) |
| 07:55:41 | <nly> | Actual type: FilePath -> ... -> IO (Either Errno (IO B.ByteString)) |
| 07:55:41 | <nly> | |
| 07:56:40 | <nly> | why 2 IO, how do I lift this IO out of there? |
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| 07:58:53 | <futty> | Hello, first time using IRC through HexChat for the sake of Haskell. |
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| 07:59:01 | <koz_> | What's your actual code, nly? |
| 07:59:04 | <koz_> | futty: Sup? |
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| 08:00:51 | <nly> | ah yes |
| 08:00:53 | <futty> | Koz, did you PM me or write-out my name? This old technology made me tech-illiterate :D |
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| 08:01:35 | <koz_> | futty: I wrote out your name, so you get notified. |
| 08:01:41 | <koz_> | (just like you did there) |
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| 08:01:59 | <nly> | fuse.hs -> http://ix.io/2Ns0 |
| 08:02:32 | <koz_> | Why is 'helloString' in IO? |
| 08:02:43 | <koz_> | The fact you're using a return on a constant suggests something is really wrong. |
| 08:02:57 | <nly> | because it will be IO in working program |
| 08:02:58 | <koz_> | Change that and it should fix considerable amounts of pain for you. |
| 08:03:02 | <koz_> | That's beside the point. |
| 08:03:05 | <koz_> | It's not IO right now. |
| 08:03:09 | <koz_> | So it shouldn't be in IO. |
| 08:03:26 | <koz_> | Your problem is 100% of the fact you're needlessly lifting a constant into IO. |
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| 08:03:57 | <nly> | ah ok |
| 08:04:06 | <koz_> | Also, 'x <- doSomeIOThing; return x' is equivalent to just 'doSomeIOThing'. |
| 08:04:14 | <koz_> | Have you read the Typeclassopedia on do-notation? |
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| 08:05:41 | <koz_> | If not, read http://www.vex.net/~trebla/haskell/IO.xhtml |
| 08:05:54 | <koz_> | Then https://wiki.haskell.org/Typeclassopedia#do_notation |
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| 08:08:02 | <nly> | no it's fine |
| 08:08:15 | <nly> | get blah blah -> IO ByteString which it is |
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| 08:08:54 | <nly> | getURL :: a |
| 08:08:55 | <nly> | -> with actual type ‘IO S.ByteString’ |
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| 08:12:15 | <ArConan> | >:t catch |
| 08:12:20 | <koz_> | :t catch |
| 08:12:22 | <lambdabot> | Exception e => IO a -> (e -> IO a) -> IO a |
| 08:12:29 | <koz_> | Related |
| 08:12:32 | <koz_> | :t handle |
| 08:12:33 | <lambdabot> | Exception e => (e -> IO a) -> IO a -> IO a |
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| 08:14:17 | <ArConan> | koz_: thks |
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| 08:14:35 | <ArConan> | :t handler |
| 08:14:36 | <lambdabot> | (Handleable e m h, Typeable a) => Getting (First a) e a -> (a -> m r) -> h r |
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| 08:17:44 | <ArConan> | hmmm.... |
| 08:18:22 | <ArConan> | what mean of `Getting (First a) e`? |
| 08:18:34 | ← | nly parts (~user@unaffiliated/nly) ("ERC (IRC client for Emacs 27.1)") |
| 08:18:54 | <koz_> | ArConan: If you don't know, you probably don't need to. |
| 08:19:02 | <koz_> | Do you actually need to deal with a 'handler'? |
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| 08:19:32 | <ArConan> | i want to learn about exception |
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| 08:20:05 | <koz_> | ArConan: This is not really relevant to you then. |
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| 08:20:19 | <koz_> | If you want to learn about exceptions, Mark Karpov's tutorial is a good starting point. |
| 08:20:34 | <koz_> | https://markkarpov.com/tutorial/exceptions.html |
| 08:20:39 | <ArConan> | koz_: so i want to know where's the e in `handler e` from |
| 08:23:59 | <ArConan> | it seems good |
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| 08:25:01 | <nly> | Expected type: FilePath -> HT -> ByteCount -> FileOffset -> IO (Either Errno B.ByteString) |
| 08:25:01 | <nly> | Actual type: FilePath -> HT -> ByteCount> FileOffset |
| 08:25:01 | <nly> | -> IO (Either Errno (IO B.ByteString)) |
| 08:25:26 | <nly> | help |
| 08:25:31 | <nly> | appreciated |
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| 08:26:36 | <nly> | this is HFuse |
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| 08:30:01 | <koz_> | ArConan: What is the context for this 'handler e'? |
| 08:30:11 | <koz_> | nly: What line is this coming from? |
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| 08:30:23 | <koz_> | (the error message should have a line number) |
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| 08:31:15 | <ArConan> | @where paste |
| 08:31:15 | <lambdabot> | Help us help you: please paste full code, input and/or output at eg https://paste.tomsmeding.com |
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| 08:31:34 | <koz_> | ArConan: nly already pasted further up. |
| 08:31:47 | <koz_> | I just need the line number. |
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| 08:36:12 | <ArConan> | koz_: https://paste.tomsmeding.com/K8FCJDrZ |
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| 08:36:29 | <ArConan> | i'm learning about exception |
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| 08:36:43 | <koz_> | ArConan: Type signatures please. |
| 08:36:55 | <koz_> | Your 'handler' has nothing to do with the handler you got from :t above. |
| 08:36:58 | <ArConan> | but i'm confused about e |
| 08:37:09 | <ArConan> | emm |
| 08:37:10 | <koz_> | Because you don't have any type signatures. |
| 08:37:21 | <koz_> | If you actually put type signatures on things, you'd be 100% less confused. |
| 08:37:37 | <ArConan> | handler ::IOError -> IO() |
| 08:37:46 | <ArConan> | toTry::IO() |
| 08:37:47 | <koz_> | So now you know what 'e' is. |
| 08:37:54 | <koz_> | What's the issue? |
| 08:38:07 | <ArConan> | no,i don't |
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| 08:38:22 | <koz_> | If handler :: IOError -> IO (), then e :: IOError. |
| 08:38:31 | <ArConan> | where the e comes from? |
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| 08:38:48 | <ArConan> | i want to know that |
| 08:38:51 | <koz_> | It's what happens when you use 'catch'. |
| 08:38:52 | <koz_> | :t catch |
| 08:38:53 | <lambdabot> | Exception e => IO a -> (e -> IO a) -> IO a |
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| 08:39:13 | <koz_> | This says 'first argument is an IO computation that might throw, if it throws, feed the exception to the second argument, for recovery'. |
| 08:39:29 | <koz_> | Notice how we have 'IO a' as the first argument, and 'IO a' as the result of the recovery function? |
| 08:39:36 | <koz_> | There's a reason for this - you end up with an IO a either way. |
| 08:39:56 | <koz_> | It's just that _if_ your first argument computation exceptions out, your 'recovery function' deals with it to still give you an IO a. |
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| 08:44:19 | <ArConan> | So when the function goes wrong, the catch function gets a parameter? |
| 08:44:34 | <ArConan> | i understand it now |
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| 08:45:40 | <koz_> | Specifically, when you have 'catch doSomething recover', if 'doSomething' doesn't throw, you just get the same as 'doSomething'. |
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| 08:45:48 | <koz_> | If doSomething _does_ throw, we take whatever it threw and feed it to 'recover'. |
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| 08:50:12 | <hololeap> | nly: ioTake returns `IO B.ByteString` and you're just shoving that into Right |
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| 08:53:01 | <hololeap> | you want to lift the Right constructor into the IO functor/monad, so something like: `fmap Right $ ioTake ...` |
| 08:53:21 | <hololeap> | no `return` needed on that line |
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| 09:03:22 | <lortabac> | is there an online Haskell REPL that doesn't require registration? |
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| 09:05:19 | <xsperry> | lortabac lambdabot :) (you can PM it) |
| 09:05:26 | <lortabac> | IIRC there was a jupyter notebook, but I can't find it anymore |
| 09:05:38 | <lortabac> | xsperry: unfortunately it's not a option |
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| 09:07:39 | <lortabac> | I am going to give an introductory Haskell workshop to a group of colleagues, I would like it to be zero-setup (at least the first lesson) |
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| 09:07:59 | <opqdonut> | does repl.it have haskell? |
| 09:08:05 | <opqdonut> | it's pretty good for teaching stuff |
| 09:08:21 | <opqdonut> | yep, looks like it does |
| 09:08:26 | <lortabac> | I think it has Haskell, but apparently it requires registration |
| 09:08:33 | <opqdonut> | oh ok |
| 09:09:12 | <opqdonut> | there's a simple repl on haskell.org, I wonder what it uses |
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| 09:11:24 | <lortabac> | I think I'll ask the participants to register on repl.it |
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| 09:41:20 | <maerwald> | you can also put them through a myriad of pain, trying to figure out haskell tooling xD |
| 09:41:57 | <merijn> | I think Haskell tooling isn't that much pain if you include it in the workshop |
| 09:41:59 | <maerwald> | kill half of the motivation before the course starts |
| 09:42:28 | <merijn> | tbh, cabal-install mostly just needs a better beginner introduction |
| 09:42:53 | <maerwald> | it's an evolved tool |
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| 09:44:01 | <lortabac> | Haskell is already in a fragile condition in the company, I can't risk losing people because of the tooling |
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| 09:44:32 | <maerwald> | if you don't have windows users, it's not that bad |
| 09:44:45 | <merijn> | lortabac: Then I think a proper explanation of either cabal-install/stack is crucial |
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| 09:45:04 | <maerwald> | I mean, repl.it will only last that long... |
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| 09:46:43 | <lortabac> | the idea is to only use the online REPL in the first lesson |
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| 09:47:25 | <lortabac> | to increase the chances of making a second lesson |
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| 09:54:53 | <c_wraith> | honestly, if you can type "cabal init", you know enough to use cabal for developing an application |
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| 09:57:02 | <merijn> | c_wraith: Yes |
| 09:57:05 | <merijn> | c_wraith: *but* |
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| 09:57:19 | <merijn> | c_wraith: you cannot ignore broken mindsets from other languages |
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| 09:57:36 | <c_wraith> | I suppose that's true |
| 09:57:41 | <merijn> | c_wraith: Many beginners expect to do "cabal install QuickCheck", open REPL, have quickcheck |
| 09:57:54 | <merijn> | c_wraith: That, obviously, does not work in v2-build |
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| 09:58:39 | <merijn> | c_wraith: So you need to probably explain: 1) why it doesn't do what they want, 2) why it doesn't do that or else they'll conclude "cabal-install is just more shite than pip" |
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| 09:59:23 | <c_wraith> | just don't teach them "ghci" exists. the repl's name is "cabal repl" |
| 09:59:39 | <merijn> | c_wraith: The problem isn't "cabal-install is hard to use" it is "v2-build is pretty amazing *if* you are someone who already knows Haskell and all your work is in the context of projects anyway" |
| 10:00:03 | <merijn> | c_wraith: I just enable package-environment and use ghci, because that's easier than unlearning a decade of habit :p |
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| 10:01:32 | <c_wraith> | while we're at it, make "cabal install packagename" add a dependency to the cabal file |
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| 10:01:43 | <merijn> | c_wraith: And even if you teach them "cabal repl" they still need to make a cabal file |
| 10:01:59 | <nshepperd2> | i expect to do 'cabal install QuickCheck', open repl and have quickcheck |
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| 10:02:34 | <nshepperd2> | and luckily i can, because i wrote a wrapper that manages a dummy project and installs the resulting environment file |
| 10:02:35 | <merijn> | nshepperd2: That's an intuitive thing to want, until you realise you just *can't* make it work |
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| 10:02:53 | <merijn> | nshepperd2: Right, environment files are a sane way to handle that |
| 10:03:08 | <merijn> | But the UI/UX for that isn't fully invented and implemented yet |
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| 10:03:52 | <merijn> | Figuring out and finishing that is probably the biggest "easing beginners into cabal" contribution anyone can make |
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| 10:11:36 | <nshepperd2> | my approach is to basically implement a traditional package manager. 'install' uses cabal to solve for a viable version, makes a dummy project with that dependency, installs the resulting environment file, and updates a registry of installed stuff |
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| 10:12:03 | <nshepperd2> | then there are upgrade commands that loosen the version constraints and re-solve |
| 10:12:07 | <c_wraith> | the big problem with that is the environment file can easily get corrupted |
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| 10:12:48 | <nshepperd2> | nah |
| 10:12:58 | <nshepperd2> | not in my experience anyway |
| 10:13:38 | <c_wraith> | If you only ever wipe it and write it from scratch, it'd be fine. But if you ever do incremental updates, it's easy to insert inconsistent package ids into it |
| 10:14:02 | <nshepperd2> | yeah i only write it from scratch |
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| 10:18:53 | <comerijn> | nshepperd: there was already a prototype "garbage collection" implementation for v2-build too |
| 10:19:43 | <comerijn> | tbh, I think any work in the workflow/UX of environment files and a GC command is extremely valuable. There's a bunch of brainstorming issues the outline approaches/issue on github too |
| 10:19:46 | <nshepperd2> | garbage collection? |
| 10:20:03 | <comerijn> | nshepperd2: The global store is currently "append only" |
| 10:20:26 | <comerijn> | Which means that over a few years you can accrue quite a lot of old/unused package versions |
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| 10:20:54 | <comerijn> | The *current* solution is "just nuke the store once a year or something", but it'd be nice to have something cleaner |
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| 10:21:09 | <comerijn> | but that is a tricky problem |
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| 10:21:53 | <nshepperd2> | so does the new prototype just nuke everything that hasn't been touched by cabal in a year |
| 10:22:54 | <comerijn> | nshepperd2: no, you specify directories for projects you work on and it nukes everything that's not in the build-plan for your projects |
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| 10:23:24 | <comerijn> | There is a comment by hvr on the issue tracker brainstorming how to "track" GC roots (i.e. projects) |
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| 10:24:54 | <arahael2> | Hmm. I'm trying to implement generic ToJSON and FromJSON instances without actually implementing it manually. The Aeson page seems to suggest I can. However, I think I need to have the type and the instnace in the same file. |
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| 10:25:17 | <arahael2> | Can I still achieve this with the (generic) type and the instance in separate files? |
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| 10:26:06 | <comerijn> | type and instance always have to be in the same file to avoid orphans |
| 10:26:18 | <comerijn> | (well that, or class and instance) |
| 10:26:38 | <arahael2> | comerijn: Why do we have to avoid orphans? |
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| 10:29:18 | <comerijn> | arahael2: instances *must* be globally unique, but it's impossible for GHC to verify this and breaking that rule can lead to broken behaviour |
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| 10:29:42 | <comerijn> | arahael2: non-orphan instance *guarantee* detection of duplicate instances |
| 10:30:00 | <Arahael> | I want them in separate files in teh same library, is that still a problem? |
| 10:30:13 | <comerijn> | (since you need to have both class and datatype in scope and if you only define instance with either the class or the datatype that guarantees the duplication is in scope) |
| 10:30:26 | <comerijn> | Arahael: Depends on how you define problem |
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| 10:30:52 | <comerijn> | Orphans don't *inherently* break things, they just potentially break the detection of breakage |
| 10:30:56 | <Arahael> | comerijn: Well, it's just I have a 400-line "Ast" module, I was hoping to have various converions to other syntaxes defined in separate files. |
| 10:31:31 | <comerijn> | sux2bu :p |
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| 10:39:48 | <Arahael> | You're suggesting that it's impossible to create a 'ToJSON' implementation for a type without putting that implementation into the same file that contains the type? How would you add an instance for a type you didn't write? |
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| 10:42:13 | <__monty__> | By writing an orphan and crossing your fingers. |
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| 10:43:23 | <Arahael> | __monty__: That's exactly what I'm attempting to do. I want to convert this type to JSON, but to do so using Aeson, I must implement an instance ToJSON for it. |
| 10:43:42 | <Arahael> | If orphans are insane, feel free to give me a better approach! |
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| 10:51:45 | <__monty__> | Fwiw, I don't have one. If you can't contribute an instance to the AST implementation you could write a plain function rather than a ToJSON instance but I'm not sure it's worth the hassle. |
| 10:51:47 | <Arahael> | __monty__: I've figured it out, all I had to do was read the error message more carefully. Such a newbie, I am. I definitely have a crazy number of orphans, though. |
| 10:52:44 | <Arahael> | __monty__: Yeah, I definitely need to lean on the default implementation of the ToJSON type class - it's just going to be too painful otherwise. |
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| 10:54:40 | <__monty__> | The idea would be you only call toJSON on the values in nodes. I don't think it's any less work than writing the ToJSON instance for each node tbh. |
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| 10:55:14 | <Arahael> | Yeah, there's 400 lines of nodes, though. |
| 10:55:35 | <__monty__> | And the ToJSON is derivable? |
| 10:56:03 | <Arahael> | I've got it going just now - well, compiled - with 40 lines simular to 'instance ToJSON Unit' |
| 10:56:07 | <Arahael> | One for each type in my AST. |
| 10:56:35 | <Arahael> | Yeah - The AST has Generic instances. |
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| 11:03:00 | <idnar> | @hoogle modifyTVar |
| 11:03:00 | <lambdabot> | Control.Concurrent.STM.TVar modifyTVar :: TVar a -> (a -> a) -> STM () |
| 11:03:00 | <lambdabot> | UnliftIO.STM modifyTVar :: () => TVar a -> (a -> a) -> STM () |
| 11:03:00 | <lambdabot> | Rebase.Prelude modifyTVar :: () => TVar a -> (a -> a) -> STM () |
| 11:03:28 | <idnar> | @hoogle TVar a -> (a -> a) -> STM a |
| 11:03:29 | <lambdabot> | Data.Vector.Fixed.Generic mapG :: (Vector v a, Vector w b, Dim v ~ Dim w) => (a -> b) -> v a -> w b |
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| 11:03:53 | <idnar> | @type stateTVar |
| 11:03:54 | <lambdabot> | error: Variable not in scope: stateTVar |
| 11:04:21 | <idnar> | @type Control.Concurrent.STM.stateTVar |
| 11:04:22 | <lambdabot> | GHC.Conc.Sync.TVar s -> (s -> (a, s)) -> GHC.Conc.Sync.STM a |
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| 11:05:02 | <idnar> | @type \v f -> Control.Concurrent.STM.stateTVar v (dup . f) |
| 11:05:04 | <lambdabot> | error: |
| 11:05:04 | <lambdabot> | Variable not in scope: dup :: b -> (a1, a) |
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| 11:06:35 | <idnar> | @type let dup x = (x, x) in \v f -> Control.Concurrent.STM.stateTVar v (dup . f) |
| 11:06:36 | <lambdabot> | GHC.Conc.Sync.TVar a -> (a -> a) -> GHC.Conc.Sync.STM a |
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| 11:06:53 | <idnar> | @pl \v f -> Control.Concurrent.STM.stateTVar v (dup . f) |
| 11:06:53 | <lambdabot> | (. (dup .)) . Control.Concurrent.STM.stateTVar |
| 11:07:32 | <idnar> | mmm |
| 11:08:33 | <Arahael> | Woo! Just got my AST to export as JSON. Always makes me pleased how easy it's to add major new functionality with minimal code, and also minimal understanding of Haskell. |
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| 11:13:05 | <__monty__> | Arahael: Cool. What are you working on? |
| 11:13:26 | <Arahael> | __monty__: Just resurrected an old project, writing a parser for pascal, just for kicks, really. |
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| 11:14:12 | <Arahael> | It "mostly" parse delphi code, but serious bugs remain, so isn't really useable. |
| 11:14:14 | <Arahael> | (yet) |
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| 11:15:19 | <Arahael> | I've not validated it, but the main bugs involve compiler directives and conditional compilation directives, which mess up the parser. |
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| 11:16:51 | <Arahael> | G'night! |
| 11:18:06 | <idnar> | cabal install exe:blah wants to rebuild all my deps even though cabal build and cabal run are happy; how do I find out why? |
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| 12:49:56 | <maerwald> | idnar: because cabal insatall does cabal sdist, unpacks it to a temp dir and builds it there |
| 12:50:12 | <maerwald> | so all local deps will be rebuilt |
| 12:50:36 | <maerwald> | and potentially, certain flags from your cabal.project may vanish (I think) |
| 12:50:36 | <idnar> | maerwald: these are hackage deps |
| 12:50:54 | <merijn> | On the one hand, that's annoying. On the other hand it led to the discovery that time was wrongly package for, like, a decade :p |
| 12:50:58 | <maerwald> | what have you specified in your cabal.project? |
| 12:50:59 | <merijn> | idnar: What was the problem? |
| 12:51:27 | <idnar> | merijn: cabal install exe:blah wants to rebuild all my deps even though cabal build and cabal run are happy; how do I find out why? |
| 12:51:27 | <maerwald> | specifying ghc flags in your cabal.project won't survive the sdist |
| 12:51:37 | <maerwald> | I think |
| 12:51:40 | <merijn> | idnar: What maerwald said |
| 12:51:51 | <merijn> | idnar: install does a clean, out of tree build |
| 12:52:08 | <merijn> | idnar: To avoid local contamination |
| 12:53:12 | <merijn> | "cabal install" does not obey cabal.project at all, as that does not make sense in a large number of cases |
| 12:53:39 | <maerwald> | well, it does sdist deps specified in cabal.project as well |
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| 12:53:51 | <maerwald> | but I think it ignores anything else |
| 12:54:27 | <idnar> | I have no cabal.project; cabal.project.local only has "packages: ../../blah" |
| 12:54:27 | <merijn> | idnar: Do you have a cabal.project? If yes, pastebin |
| 12:54:34 | <merijn> | hmm |
| 12:55:38 | <maerwald> | what's blah? |
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| 12:59:14 | <idnar> | a local fork of one of my deps (that has no other revdeps) |
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| 12:59:50 | <merijn> | idnar: Anyway, why exactly is this a problem? |
| 13:00:30 | <maerwald> | you could examine plan.json, but I'm not sure where cabal install writes this |
| 13:00:36 | <merijn> | I mean, sure, it *may* be a bug (I'm not sure from the information), but even if it is, I doubt it's getting fixed anytime soon on account of "this impacts basically no one meaningfull" |
| 13:00:55 | <merijn> | maerwald: Does it write a plan.json at all? |
| 13:01:00 | <maerwald> | yeah, no idea |
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| 13:02:01 | <merijn> | Anyway, I don't see much value in investing much more time trying to figure out why given the impact of this bug is basically none |
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| 13:04:04 | <idnar> | it takes quite a while to rebuild everything |
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| 13:04:14 | <idnar> | merijn: I'm currently doing `cp dist-newstyle/build/x86_64-linux/ghc-8.10.3/…` to get my binary out to de |
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| 13:04:25 | <idnar> | err |
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| 13:05:06 | <merijn> | idnar: But what does that matter unless your repeatedly installing often? |
| 13:05:11 | <merijn> | And if you are: Why? |
| 13:05:25 | <maerwald> | cp $(cabal exec --verbose=0 --offline sh -- -c "command -v exe") ... |
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| 13:07:30 | <idnar> | deploy; I'd like to do `cabal install exe:blah --install-method=copy --installdir=blah` |
| 13:07:45 | <maerwald> | see above |
| 13:07:51 | <merijn> | idnar: Why are you deploying so frequently that the rebuild is a problem, though? |
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| 13:08:46 | <idnar> | merijn: why not? :P |
| 13:09:07 | <merijn> | "It hurts when I stab myself" 'so, don't do that?' "why not?" |
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| 13:09:46 | <merijn> | If the *real* problem is just "how can I conveniently run/test executables locally without cabal run?" the answer is much easier |
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| 13:13:31 | <idnar> | merijn: I usually deploy every time I make a functional change which can be once in 6 months, can be 5 times in one day |
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| 13:14:21 | <merijn> | idnar: Anyway, deploys are exactly when you want the "sdist" indirection so help guarantee you don't contaminate the deploy with local junk |
| 13:14:50 | <idnar> | yeah |
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| 13:16:09 | <merijn> | Rebuilding dependencies is weird, though, unless you use either 1 freeze file, specify ghc flags, or run cabal update |
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| 13:20:02 | <maerwald> | use cabal-cache if you have s3 buckets |
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| 14:17:52 | <nly> | Can 'IO (Either blah (IO XXX))' -> 'IO (Either blah XXX)? |
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| 14:18:45 | <merijn> | "Yes" |
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| 14:19:16 | <merijn> | :t join . fmap sequence |
| 14:19:18 | <lambdabot> | (Monad m, Traversable t) => m (t (m a)) -> m (t a) |
| 14:20:35 | <ephemient> | doesn't `sequence` on its own straight up work here? |
| 14:20:43 | <merijn> | ephemient: No |
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| 14:21:04 | <ephemient> | :t sequence (undefined :: Either Int (IO ())) |
| 14:21:06 | <lambdabot> | IO (Either Int ()) |
| 14:21:27 | <merijn> | ephemient: You don't have "Either Int (IO ())", though |
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| 14:21:39 | <merijn> | I mean, you can do |
| 14:21:43 | <ephemient> | well (>>= sequence) then |
| 14:21:44 | <merijn> | :t (>>= sequence) |
| 14:21:45 | <lambdabot> | (Monad m, Traversable t) => m (t (m a)) -> m (t a) |
| 14:21:54 | <merijn> | ephemient: Yeah, but that's the same thing as I wrote :p |
| 14:22:33 | <Taneb> | :t (=<<) sequence |
| 14:22:34 | <lambdabot> | (Monad m, Traversable t) => m (t (m a)) -> m (t a) |
| 14:24:32 | <nly> | nice |
| 14:25:26 | <Taneb> | :t \x -> do y <- x; sequence y |
| 14:25:27 | <lambdabot> | (Monad m, Traversable t) => m (t (m a)) -> m (t a) |
| 14:25:36 | <nly> | would you like to do the honors? how do i put this into my code |
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| 14:31:28 | <nly> | Couldn't match expected type ‘Either a0 (IO B.ByteString) -> IO B.ByteString’ |
| 14:31:28 | <nly> | with actual type ‘Either a10 (IO B.ByteString)’ |
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| 14:31:36 | <nly> | so far, so bad |
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| 14:37:53 | <nly> | mmagic :: IO (Either Errno (IO B.ByteString)) -> IO (Errno B.ByteString) |
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| 14:38:43 | <nly> | Expected kind ‘* -> *’, but ‘Errno’ has kind ‘*’ |
| 14:38:44 | <nly> | In the first argument of ‘IO’, namely ‘(Errno B.ByteString)’ |
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| 14:39:14 | <geekosaur> | whatever made you consider Errno B.ByteString? |
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| 14:43:28 | <nly> | ah, typo should be (Either Errno B.ByteString) |
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| 14:44:28 | <nly> | Expected type: IO (Either Errno B.ByteString) |
| 14:44:28 | <nly> | Actual type: IO (IO (Either Errno B.ByteString)) |
| 14:44:28 | <nly> | the fuck |
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| 15:11:35 | <nly> | haskell for pure IO is the best idea i've ever had |
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| 15:25:12 | <pavonia> | What is pure IO? |
| 15:25:30 | <merijn> | pavonia: I guess they meant "mostly IO" |
| 15:25:56 | <dminuoso> | Or, perhaps, they mean IO without unsafePerformIO'ing effects to the value of some IO? |
| 15:26:04 | <dminuoso> | We will never know. |
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| 15:36:05 | <maerwald> | I think they meant an unexecuted IO action |
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| 15:39:14 | <maerwald> | I was wondering... has anyone ever attempted to define purity in term of execution model? |
| 15:39:38 | <merijn> | maerwald: wdym? |
| 15:39:48 | <merijn> | maerwald: Like, the semantics of IO? |
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| 15:40:39 | <maerwald> | no, having a formal definition of purity that is verified by looking at the execution model of a language/compiler, as opposed to the evaluation strategy |
| 15:41:26 | <maerwald> | maybe that makes no sense, but that's fine too |
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| 15:42:41 | <merijn> | maerwald: I don't think it makes sense, but I'm not sure, because I'm not sure I understand what you mean :) |
| 15:42:53 | <maerwald> | then we're on the same page |
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| 15:45:51 | <maerwald> | I forgot what was the name of that imperative language that says it's pure (or supports purity) |
| 15:46:14 | <Uniaika> | maerwald: OCaml? |
| 15:46:17 | <maerwald> | no |
| 15:46:24 | <Uniaika> | oh no wait, that's the impure imperative language |
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| 15:46:47 | <maerwald> | I know how the website looks like, but not the name.. my brain is useless |
| 15:47:25 | <merijn> | maerwald: Clean? Single Assignment C? :p |
| 15:47:36 | <maerwald> | nope |
| 15:47:49 | <merijn> | Uniaika: btw, did you find your Binary bug? |
| 15:48:21 | <lortabac> | maerwald: the language in which x / 0 = 0 (I forgot the name) ? |
| 15:48:27 | <merijn> | Uniaika: And my follow-up if not: Are you sure it's a bug? :p |
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| 15:49:13 | <merijn> | Which is a long way of saying, Binary is a bad class and almost nobody should be using it >.> |
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| 15:49:23 | <Uniaika> | merijn: we've decided to wait for the 9.0 release because it contains a Haddock submodule bump in GHC |
| 15:49:49 | <Uniaika> | and yes, koz_ explained to me how it was a bad idea |
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| 15:50:00 | <Uniaika> | heya coot! |
| 15:50:04 | <dminuoso> | Typeclasses *can* be fine, if they're local ones... |
| 15:50:09 | <merijn> | Now I don't have to! \o/ |
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| 15:50:21 | <dminuoso> | Like, I have a sort of `RadBinary` typeclass but that one doesnt leave the scope of my project |
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| 15:50:40 | <Uniaika> | oh certainly |
| 15:50:41 | <merijn> | Just use explicit Get/Put >.> |
| 15:50:45 | <maerwald> | https://mars-lang.appspot.com/ |
| 15:50:46 | <maerwald> | there you go |
| 15:50:57 | <Uniaika> | thanks maerwald |
| 15:51:07 | <Uniaika> | merijn: also: with a schema |
| 15:51:19 | <merijn> | Version all the things |
| 15:51:46 | <merijn> | Number of times I have not included a version in my schema, because I knew what I was doing: N |
| 15:51:56 | <merijn> | Number of times I have *not* regretted that: 0 |
| 15:52:30 | <maerwald> | I was searching for Saturn instead of Mars... |
| 15:52:35 | <maerwald> | almost the same, right |
| 15:52:47 | <merijn> | Both are Sailor Scouts... |
| 15:52:49 | <hpc> | it's only a little bit farther away |
| 15:52:57 | <hpc> | they're practically the same size |
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| 15:56:21 | <maerwald> | "Mars is an experiment, not a full-featured programming language. You can use it for playing with the boundaries between imperative and declarative programming, but we don't recommend you write real software with it." |
| 15:56:28 | <maerwald> | Isn't that how haskell started as well? |
| 15:56:34 | <merijn> | Not really |
| 15:56:48 | <maerwald> | I mean the "Don't write real software in it" part |
| 15:57:09 | <merijn> | Haskell started because there were like 10 different groups inventing their own lazy languages and people went "right, let's just do this properly *once*" |
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| 16:05:57 | <cohn> | merijn: as they say: the great thing about standards is that there are so many of them |
| 16:06:00 | <cohn> | xD |
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| 16:06:21 | <gedda> | what is on your guys wishlist for a hypothetical haskell2? |
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| 16:09:17 | <cohn> | gedda: for me, better/unified package and dependency management. Seems like the Rust folks nailed it with the Cargo utility. |
| 16:09:33 | <Tops2> | DatatypeContexts like this ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqmCwpRXT_E ) would be cool. |
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| 16:09:41 | <lortabac> | gedda: proper records and a more ergonomic alternative to monad transformers |
| 16:10:17 | <merijn> | cohn: Better how? |
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| 16:10:42 | <merijn> | And why would that be a language issue? |
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| 16:11:42 | <maerwald> | gedda: haskell2 should be a strict language with no GC |
| 16:11:51 | <maerwald> | otherwise, why would you even start over |
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| 16:12:10 | <merijn> | maerwald: I know why! |
| 16:12:45 | <merijn> | maerwald: Because you want first class concurrency and sane exceptions! |
| 16:13:23 | <merijn> | Also, GC domains |
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| 16:13:26 | <maerwald> | can't we just retrofit that? |
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| 16:13:35 | <merijn> | maerwald: Define "can" |
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| 16:13:44 | <lortabac> | why no GC? |
| 16:14:04 | <merijn> | maerwald: I mean, you can retrofit anything by rewriting GHC in place :p |
| 16:14:12 | <gedda> | lortabac, i agree with transformers, I'm intrigued by the progress of the effect libraries, especially fused-effects |
| 16:14:20 | <merijn> | lortabac: Because if you're ok with GC, just use GHC :p |
| 16:14:38 | <maerwald> | alternative to monad transformers doesn't sound like that has much to do with the language per se |
| 16:15:02 | <lortabac> | maerwald: I think if you want an ergonomic solution it has to be built-in |
| 16:15:18 | <merijn> | maerwald: the kinda of exception/concurrency things I'd like would require modifying the type system, which would not necessarily play nicely with all the DependentHaskell nonsense |
| 16:15:31 | <maerwald> | well, but you're limiting your horizon by saying you want an alternative to monad transformers... what is it you actually want |
| 16:15:57 | <merijn> | maerwald: Rather, what I'd like to see is Csaba's work on a standalone optimisation/code generation pipeline for GHC |
| 16:16:07 | <maerwald> | multiple independent type systems, one of them for effects? |
| 16:16:10 | <lortabac> | maerwald: I know what I don't want, I don't know what I want |
| 16:16:14 | <merijn> | maerwald: meaning you can build your own language on top of GHC's optimisation pipeline |
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| 16:16:41 | <lortabac> | merijn: it's called Chez Scheme :) |
| 16:16:48 | <merijn> | maerwald: The most valuable, most sucky to implement, most time consuming part of a compiler is an optimising backend. If that can be factored out, it would be much nicer |
| 16:16:54 | <gedda> | merijn, sure, just compile your language to core and let ghc do the rest |
| 16:17:04 | <merijn> | gedda: GHC can't read core currently |
| 16:17:19 | <gedda> | merijn, really! very peculiar |
| 16:17:24 | <merijn> | gedda: So you can't "just do that", additionally Core is *extremely* GHC specific |
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| 16:18:06 | <gedda> | at the same time, woudln't LLVM IR be considered *extremely* LLVM specific? |
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| 16:19:15 | <merijn> | gedda: Well, it is |
| 16:19:18 | <lortabac> | compiling to Scheme is the simplest way to have a performant backend with little work |
| 16:19:35 | <merijn> | gedda: And the GHC LLVM backend requires hacks to workaround LLVM's lack of support for GHC calling convention |
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| 16:20:24 | <dolio> | I thought the calling convention was actually in LLVM upstream now. |
| 16:20:32 | <merijn> | dolio: Maybe it is |
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| 16:20:38 | <merijn> | I was too lazy to check :p |
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| 16:21:19 | <dolio> | I read a paper where some other people had to make another calling convention, though, because the functional-ish ones that are there were inappropriate. |
| 16:21:35 | <dolio> | I.E. the GHC one, and some other one that I forget. |
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| 16:26:44 | <gedda> | git blame says llvm got support for the GHC calling convention back in 2010 |
| 16:27:04 | <merijn> | gedda: There was a *partial* calling convention back then |
| 16:27:08 | <gedda> | whether it was with or without hacks doesnt say |
| 16:27:09 | <gedda> | yeah |
| 16:27:33 | <merijn> | Because I recall it was still a hack a few years after I started learning Haskell :p |
| 16:27:57 | <merijn> | Which means something like 2013-2014 at the earliest that it got done properly |
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| 16:29:33 | <dolio> | That's a long time, but it's also possible that they stopped bothering to try to get llvm to really support it well, since it seems like interest in the llvm backend isn't super hot. |
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| 18:11:43 | <ep1ctetus> | We're using Tasty-hspec to define some tests, and we want to automate generating a list of tests. How can we turn our list of Expectations into a list of Specs to run? |
| 18:12:28 | <aveltras> | does anyone know if the following is achievable with lucid ? |
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| 18:41:32 | <hololeap> | aveltras: is this like one of those zen riddles with no answer? |
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| 18:42:38 | <aveltras> | i guess so |
| 18:42:52 | <ep1ctetus> | figured it out: needed to do a fold (>>) with the list of Spec objects |
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| 20:08:34 | <ski> | koz_ : "There's a reason for this - you end up with an IO a either way." -- i'd actually prefer (also) having an `catchBind :: Exception e => IO a -> (e -> IO b) -> (a -> IO b) -> IO b' |
| 20:09:37 | <Uniaika> | hvr: would you accept a PR to bump base-noprelude to 4.14.0.0? |
| 20:09:49 | <koz_> | ski: Wouldn't that be better phrased as 'Exception e => IO a -> (Either e a -> IO b) -> IO b'? |
| 20:10:02 | <koz_> | And then we can define something like '>>=?'. |
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| 20:10:38 | <koz_> | Or maybe '>>=!'. |
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| 20:11:58 | <ski> | koz_ : no, the point is exactly to avoid transient intermediate data structures like `Either' |
| 20:12:22 | <koz_> | Oh, well, in that case, sure. |
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| 20:14:01 | <ski> | consider `loop .. = handle (\e -> ..e..) (do ...; when continue (do ...; loop ..))' |
| 20:14:37 | <ski> | this is wrong, it repeatedly nests exception handlers, around the tail-recursive invocation |
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| 20:16:13 | <ski> | you could wrap the body, sans the tail-invocation, in `try'. but then you have to eliminate the `Either' just outside the `try' |
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| 20:17:45 | <ski> | another way is to replace the tail-invocation `loop ..' by `return (loop ..)', and then use `join' just outside the handler (in a language where one used side-effects, rather than actions, one'd wrap the call in a thunk, and invoke it outside the handler) |
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| 20:18:33 | <ski> | in either case, this is just another instance of (a) construct temporary structure; then (b) pass through exception handler; then (c) take the structure apart again |
| 20:18:41 | <srid> | Well-typed paths ... which library to use in 2021? |
| 20:19:23 | <ski> | to avoid this, you need to be able to supply an alternative success path, like with `catchBind' above |
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| 20:20:43 | <ski> | the paper "Exceptional Syntax" by Nick Benton,Andrew Kennedy in 2001 at <https://www.cs.tufts.edu/~nr/cs257/archive/nick-benton/exceptional-syntax.pdf> talks about this |
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| 20:25:57 | <srid> | GitHub uses `pathtype`: https://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/e25702/how_widely_and_successfully_are_typed_paths_used/ |
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| 20:28:30 | <ski> | (see also <http://lambda-the-ultimate.org/node/1193>.) for OCaml, with Camlp4 (i think ?), there was an implementation of this, extending the `let' syntax like `let try' see <http://ocamllabs.io/compiler-hacking/2014/02/04/handler-case.html#exceptional-syntax>. also later OCaml supported matching on raised exceptions in the regular pattern-matching expression |
| 20:28:35 | <ski> | <https://caml.inria.fr/pub/docs/manual-ocaml/patterns.html#sss:exception-match> |
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| 20:33:49 | <ph88^> | is it safe to run stack build in two directories at the same time ? |
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| 20:52:33 | <hololeap> | ph88^: i would think so, but you might run out of RAM |
| 20:52:57 | <ph88^> | oh ye i dont have so much ram |
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| 21:18:06 | <ph88^> | why does haskell use -> in lambdas ?? |
| 21:18:48 | <hpc> | the same reason it uses -- for comments |
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| 21:19:43 | <hpc> | it's a sufficiently unambiguous string that sufficiently represents the thing it denotes |
| 21:20:08 | <hpc> | (plus some amount of "that's what the languages it's inspired by used") |
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| 21:22:21 | <ph88^> | why would = be more ambiguous ?? |
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| 21:25:02 | <geekosaur> | I don't think that's what hpc said |
| 21:25:43 | geekosaur | read it more as "they wanted a mathy → arrow but settled for ASCII" |
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| 21:27:33 | <ph88^> | oh like that |
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| 21:42:03 | <__monty__> | hpc: What does -- represent? Haskell was the first language I encountered that used dashes for comments. |
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| 21:43:54 | <geekosaur> | SQL? |
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| 21:44:11 | <texasmynsted> | what is it calls if I have a monad stack and I turn them inside out? |
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| 21:44:55 | <texasmynsted> | Like A (B a) to B (A a) |
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| 21:46:57 | <texasmynsted> | I was thinking of sequence / traverse |
| 21:47:03 | <texasmynsted> | Sorry |
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| 21:47:28 | <texasmynsted> | Headache preventing me from concentrating/thinking/communicating well today |
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| 21:49:36 | <texasmynsted> | Here is what I am trying to do. |
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| 21:49:56 | <texasmynsted> | I am trying to simplify this https://gist.github.com/mmynsted/40d0d88d7fc67b69e1790c11aa95402e |
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| 21:50:11 | <texasmynsted> | with tsDefaultCompiler |
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| 21:51:34 | <hpc> | yeah, what they said |
| 21:51:35 | ski | would prefer if `UnicodeSyntax' allowed using ⌜↦⌝ for lambdas |
| 21:51:43 | <texasmynsted> | If feel I should be able to have a list of Identifiers like 'tempaltes/site-index.html' and apply them to loadAndApplyTemplate in sequence with bind |
| 21:51:51 | <Uniaika> | ski: omg yes |
| 21:52:01 | <Uniaika> | x ↦ x +1 |
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| 21:52:21 | <texasmynsted> | Any suggestions? |
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| 21:53:12 | <ski> | ph88^ : if you meant using `=' in place of `->', like `\x = x > 2', then i wouldn't like that |
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| 21:53:22 | <Uniaika> | texasmynsted: are you implementing your own template engine? |
| 21:53:31 | <ski> | Uniaika : or `\x ↦ x + 1' |
| 21:53:40 | <ph88^> | why you wouldn't ski ? |
| 21:53:50 | <Uniaika> | ski: bleh, I've never written that in maths :P |
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| 21:54:02 | <Uniaika> | I say let's go all the way to f(x)! |
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| 21:54:07 | <ski> | ph88^ : because `=' to me implies both sides have the same type, and `x' vs. `x > 2' in my example has different types |
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| 21:54:23 | <ski> | Uniaika : you already can :P |
| 21:54:28 | <texasmynsted> | Uniaika: nah |
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| 21:54:54 | <texasmynsted> | This is just me using Hakyll |
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| 21:55:16 | ski | sometimes writes like ⌜λ x ↦ x + 1⌝ in hand-written notes (e.g. when thinking about math) |
| 21:55:52 | <ski> | texasmynsted : btw, "Like A (B a) to B (A a)" is sometimes known as a transpose/transposition, or a "distributive law" |
| 21:55:52 | <hpc> | imagine having to ascii-art a big '{' whenever you do pattern matching though :D |
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| 21:56:06 | <texasmynsted> | ski: okay. |
| 21:56:22 | <ph88^> | ski, hmm ye that is a strong argument. What about replacing -> with a dot like λ x. x + 1 |
| 21:56:27 | <texasmynsted> | I wrote my syntax wrong in the chat |
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| 21:57:20 | <ski> | ph88^ : that's the traditional syntax (sometimes there's no separator between the parameter and the body, though). however, `.' is already used for composition, and for module qualification, in Haskell |
| 21:57:30 | <ski> | (and soon, for field projection ..) |
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| 21:58:15 | <ski> | `λ f.g.f' might look a bit confusing .. |
| 21:59:08 | <geekosaur> | yeh, . is doing too many things already |
| 21:59:13 | <geekosaur> | and then there's forall syntax |
| 21:59:24 | <hpc> | fortunately, "." is already dependent on the whitespace around it |
| 21:59:46 | <hpc> | λ f. g . f -- this seems less bad |
| 21:59:58 | <hpc> | but still not great |
| 22:00:15 | <hpc> | λ f. g + f -- maybe with a less pathological body? |
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| 22:01:13 | <ski> | hpc : Epigram ASCII-arts inference rule lines, and sub-boxes. e.g. see groups and sheds in <http://www.strictlypositive.org/epigram-notes.pdf> |
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| 22:02:55 | <ph88^> | thanks ski |
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| 22:03:17 | <hpc> | ski: that's what i was thinking of, actually |
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| 22:03:43 | <ski> | texasmynsted : `Compiler' is an instance of `Monad' ? what would the `[Identifier]' parameter of `tsDefaultCompiler' be for ? |
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| 22:05:10 | <ski> | @where Charity |
| 22:05:10 | <lambdabot> | http://pll.cpsc.ucalgary.ca/charity1/www/home.html |
| 22:05:11 | <texasmynsted> | Identifier is a "file name" String |
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| 22:05:46 | <ski> | also has some reminiscent syntax (for folds and unfolds). see e.g. <http://pll.cpsc.ucalgary.ca/charity1/download/examples/prelude/PRELUDE.ch> .. although i think it probably doesn't require vertical alignment |
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| 22:05:55 | <texasmynsted> | An example in the gist would be "templates/site-index.html" or "templates/site-page.html" |
| 22:06:29 | <ski> | ok, so abstracting out the path in the body of `loadAndApplyTemplate' |
| 22:06:49 | <texasmynsted> | yes, exactly |
| 22:06:52 | <ski> | er, the path given to `loadAndApplyTemplate', in the body of `defaultCompiler', rather |
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| 22:07:26 | <texasmynsted> | There are many sequenced uses of loadAndApplyTemplate with different templates but the same context |
| 22:07:28 | <ski> | ok .. i don't see what that has to do with "what is it calls if I have a monad stack and I turn them inside out?","Like A (B a) to B (A a)", though |
| 22:07:59 | <ski> | hm, you want to avoid explicitly plumbing `cxt' around ? |
| 22:08:22 | <texasmynsted> | ski I was thinking I would end up with a list of [Item String -> Compiler (Item String)] or something |
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| 22:08:42 | <ski> | and from there wanting to go where ? |
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| 22:09:08 | <texasmynsted> | What I really want is [Identifier] -> Context String -> Item String -> Compiler (Item String) |
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| 22:09:28 | <ski> | then do that ? |
| 22:09:35 | ski | doesn't see the issue/problem |
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| 22:10:29 | <ski> | copy the definition of `defaultCompiler', change it to `tsDefaultCompiler', while abstracting away `"templates/default.html"' into a parameter ? |
| 22:10:43 | <ski> | (or maybe i misunderstood ?) |
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| 22:12:16 | <texasmynsted> | hm yes. |
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| 22:13:03 | <texasmynsted> | well no |
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| 22:14:14 | <texasmynsted> | I suppose what I should be doing is just sequencing a number of calls to loadAndApplyTemplate from the list. I can later deal with the clearnAndRelUrls, etc. |
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| 22:21:10 | <ski> | @tell geekosaur i actually recall reading some math paper, which suggested using ⌜.⌝ as the (infix) binder syntax. so e.g. ⌜∀ x. P(x)⌝ would really be the constant ⌜∀⌝ applied to the function ⌜x. P(x)⌝ -- it might've been one of the ones linked to from <http://www.funmath.be/> |
| 22:21:10 | <lambdabot> | Consider it noted. |
| 22:23:06 | <ski> | texasmynsted, ok |
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| 22:33:37 | texasmynsted | facepalm |
| 22:33:42 | <texasmynsted> | fold |
| 22:34:37 | <ski> | oh, for the `[Item String -> Compiler (Item String)]' ? |
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| 22:51:42 | <texasmynsted> | I just want a result of Item String -> Comiler (Item String) |
| 22:52:05 | <texasmynsted> | With each Identifier applied in sequence |
| 22:52:24 | <texasmynsted> | If I bind over it I would get a List. |
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| 22:57:43 | <ski> | oic |
| 22:58:36 | <ski> | sounds like a `foldM' ? |
| 22:59:22 | <ski> | @type foldM |
| 22:59:23 | <lambdabot> | (Foldable t, Monad m) => (b -> a -> m b) -> b -> t a -> m b |
| 22:59:54 | <ski> | i guess you had the opposite parameter ordering |
| 23:01:09 | <texasmynsted> | oh I do not yet know foldM |
| 23:01:27 | <ski> | @src foldM |
| 23:01:27 | <lambdabot> | foldM _ a [] = return a |
| 23:01:27 | <lambdabot> | foldM f a (x:xs) = f a x >>= \fax -> foldM f fax xs |
| 23:02:06 | <ski> | (it's an instance of a `foldr', but it "feels" like a `foldl', since it passes the values from left to right) |
| 23:02:50 | <texasmynsted> | oh nice |
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| 23:08:09 | <texasmynsted> | thank you |
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| 23:35:32 | <texasmynsted> | There is no foldM1 like there is foldl1 |
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| 23:37:03 | <emmanuel_erc> | Axman6: Something in my program was setting my locale encoding to ASCII instead of UTF8 (the desired TextEncoding). |
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| 23:37:22 | <Axman6> | huh, how fun. good work tracking that down |
| 23:37:28 | <emmanuel_erc> | So, the problem was rather easy to resolve. Thanks for the pointrer. |
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