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| 01:57:28 | <Liskni_si> | Interesting, it seems there already is #xmonad on Matrix. |
| 01:58:39 | <Liskni_si> | Yet for some reason it cannot be joined. |
| 01:58:55 | <Liskni_si> | So much for "modern" IRC alternatives. :-/ |
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| 02:28:54 | <Liskni_si> | liskin[m]: :-( |
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| 03:01:30 | <crab> | Liskni_si: ah, thanks for the link to #396 |
| 03:01:41 | <crab> | so i can just wait, and it'll eventually be fixed. |
| 03:01:42 | <crab> | :-) |
| 03:06:02 | <Liskni_si> | Yes, or you can harass me every day and maybe it will be fixed sooner :-D |
| 03:06:59 | <Liskni_si> | Or not. My todo list keeps growing. I don't know why, and I have no idea what to do about it. :-) |
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| 08:39:54 | <krz> | Is it possible to always have the master pane on the left side when opening new panes? |
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| 08:51:09 | <dminuoso> | krz: Isnt that the default behavior of Tall? |
| 08:54:15 | <krz> | dminuoso: I have ((modm, xK_Return), spawn $ XMonad.terminal conf). Whenvever I press modm + return. The new terminal opens on the left |
| 08:54:43 | <dminuoso> | What layout do you have? |
| 08:54:54 | <krz> | For example in spectrwm. The left pane is always the master. Whenever a new pane is opened, it is opened on the right side |
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| 08:58:36 | <krz> | dimestop: Sorry, got disconnected. https://gist.github.com/krzkrzkrz/39c8fe667c2a480a0c676386ee43dba5 is my layout |
| 08:59:34 | <dminuoso> | krz: Use the Tall layout. |
| 08:59:50 | <Solid> | dminuoso: the default behaviour of Tall is to spawn a new window above (in the stack) the currently focused window |
| 08:59:57 | <dminuoso> | Oh |
| 09:00:01 | <dminuoso> | I see |
| 09:00:03 | <Solid> | I think what they want is to always open windows in the stack even if master is focused |
| 09:00:39 | <Solid> | I remember that question being answered in the FAW |
| 09:00:43 | <Solid> | s/W/Q/ |
| 09:01:09 | <Solid> | krz: maybe this helps you https://wiki.haskell.org/Xmonad/Frequently_asked_questions#Make_new_windows_appear_.27below.27_rather_than_.27above.27_the_current_window |
| 09:02:16 | <Solid> | specifically, the "Force all new windows down" section |
| 09:06:17 | <dminuoso> | Unrelatedly, I have just Tall and Full as layouts. It rarely happens to me that the layout is so bugged, where the master is no longer left and the rest of the stack to the left, but the master is suddenly at the top with the rest of the stack of the bottom half of the screen |
| 09:06:30 | <dminuoso> | This then is on just a single workspace |
| 09:06:53 | <dminuoso> | Rotating layouts doesn't seem to help, the moment I go back to Tall on the affected workspace, it's still bugged. |
| 09:07:16 | <dminuoso> | What could be going on/how can I prepare xmonad to debug this when the need arises? |
| 09:07:28 | <dminuoso> | (It roughly happens once or twice a month) |
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| 09:23:15 | <Solid> | sounds like you're mirroring the layout somehow |
| 09:23:33 | <Solid> | are you sure you don't have any bind that you have long forgotten about to do that? :> |
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| 11:43:59 | <afreak> | Some of my non-focused windows gets almost my focusedBorderColor, when it should have had normalBorderColor, but they seems to get a blend between the two. is there a fix for this ? ( you can see it here https://pasteboard.co/JDXVAF3.png , my normal color is #2D2D2D, while my focused color is #CC99CC ) |
| 11:55:14 | <dminuoso> | Solid: Well I've looked 4 times already.. given that I *wrote* all of this and didn't just blindly copy and paste, Im confident I didn't miss anything either.. |
| 11:55:55 | <dminuoso> | I have an explicit keys config too, so there's nothing I didn't specify |
| 11:56:04 | <dminuoso> | Unless ewmh nastly injects something |
| 11:56:20 | <dminuoso> | I guess it might.. time to check |
| 11:58:27 | <Solid> | dminuoso: I guess a good place to start would be to dump the stack and see if anything looks weird there |
| 11:58:41 | <Solid> | there's X.H.DebugStack for that |
| 11:59:10 | <dminuoso> | Mmm, well the stack set seems intact every time it happens. It's the layouting that's suddenly wrong. |
| 12:00:09 | <dminuoso> | But I guess a DebugStack depending on whether some extensible state is set is worth doing anyway |
| 12:00:33 | <dminuoso> | (as a logHook I mean) |
| 12:02:55 | <dminuoso> | Perhaps this is the moment where I should start rigging rofi into my xmonad setup, to sort of mimic emacs. |
| 12:03:20 | <dminuoso> | Such that I can do `mod-x enable-debug-stack-loghook` :> |
| 12:03:31 | <dminuoso> | With tab completion and everything |
| 12:03:44 | <Solid> | hahaha |
| 12:20:04 | <crab> | i started using rofi, but i like how XMonad.Prompt.Shell also supports tab-completing filename arguments |
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| 12:27:33 | <dminuoso> | oh actually dmenu is enough for this, that's perfect |
| 12:32:34 | <dminuoso> | No seriously, keybindings I rarely use are almost useless to me, I cant build muscle memory for it |
| 12:33:11 | <dminuoso> | But yeah, this works. I should probably write a little bit of infrastructure around it, so modules can dynamically register commands with my "dmenu" bar |
| 12:36:43 | <Solid> | there's probably also an XMonad.Prompt module for it, so you can use haskell :> |
| 12:37:50 | <crab> | xmonad.prompt module for which? |
| 12:39:45 | <Solid> | just to execute an arbitrary X action I guess |
| 12:39:54 | <Solid> | it's probably easy to write if it's not there already |
| 12:39:59 | <Solid> | sounds like the simplest kind of prompt |
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| 12:40:39 | <Solid> | ah, of course, it's artfully named "XMonad.Prompt.XMonad" :D |
| 12:42:25 | <crab> | oh, that |
| 12:45:03 | <dminuoso> | Solid: does that have narrowing built-in? |
| 12:46:25 | <Solid> | dminuoso: as in, you press "x" and then it only shows you the ones with "x" in them (modulo your fuzzy matching preferences)? yes |
| 12:54:28 | <dminuoso> | Mmm I might try it out some time. Right now dmenu is fine, I really dont want to customize it |
| 12:54:48 | <dminuoso> | dmenu does just fine since it nicely fits right ontop of my xmobar, and Im used to it as an application runner |
| 12:55:07 | <dminuoso> | But indeed, now I can do `mod-x debug-stack` :> |
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| 13:51:38 | <Liskni_si> | dminuoso: even the gnome and windows folks figured that mod-x start-typing is the perfect way to interact with the computer |
| 13:52:22 | <Liskni_si> | not sure about windows but gnome uses some sort of frecency so that after a few tries you only need to type the first letter and it does what you want |
| 13:55:56 | <geekosaur> | there's several dmenu alternatives that implement that, no? |
| 13:58:30 | <dminuoso> | In windows you can use the windows-key for that too :) |
| 13:59:27 | <Liskni_si> | geekosaur: yes, I was just agreeing that a frecency based prompt adapts much better to the user than lots of keybindings |
| 14:00:09 | <Liskni_si> | rarely used keybindings get forgotten, often used commands should automatically become easier to perform, frecency prompts handle this automatically, manually editing xmonad.hs doesn't. |
| 14:00:55 | <Liskni_si> | dminuoso: yeah, I know, I just haven't used it enough to observe whether it learns and how reliable it is |
| 14:01:27 | <dminuoso> | Im an infrequent windows user, and it seems quite fine for most things. |
| 14:01:53 | <dminuoso> | Sure, it's not as responsive or customizable compared to say emacs where you can chose your own narrower for you |
| 14:02:42 | <dminuoso> | Anyhow, the dmenu integration works really well. I may not get frequency-based fuzzy matching, but I think it's fine. |
| 14:03:12 | <dminuoso> | Now all I need is just an infrastructure where code can just register commands to some global extensible state |
| 14:03:37 | <dminuoso> | So I dont have this central xmonad.hs where I need to concat all [(Command, X ()] to |
| 14:14:57 | <Liskni_si> | mc47: btw after yesterday's announcement that Gitter is integrated with Matrix (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25334246) I experimented with Matrix, hoping it could make #xmonad more accessible for younger gens, and everything that could break did break: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25340848 :-( |
| 14:15:24 | <Liskni_si> | mc47: but I discovered there already _is_ #xmonad on Matrix, a room separate from this one. |
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| 15:05:30 | <Solid> | Liskni_si: I think lots of keybindings are still much more efficient than frecency-based filtering for often used commands |
| 15:05:50 | <Solid> | I'm sure no one wants to do `M-x end-of-line` instead of `C-e` ;) |
| 15:06:01 | <Liskni_si> | Solid: true |
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| 15:07:23 | <Liskni_si> | in a magical world where gnome3 takes the best out of gnome2, setting a keybinding would be as simple as just pressing the keys when you're just about to hit enter after doing M-x e for the hundredth time |
| 15:07:44 | <Liskni_si> | (referring to the ability to assign keyboard shortcuts to menu items in gtk2 by simply pressing it when hovering over the menu) |
| 15:08:05 | <Liskni_si> | obviously I'm not a gnome3 user but if they implemented this I'd envy them and try to replicate that somehow |
| 15:08:21 | <Solid> | that does sound indeed sound pretty cool |
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| 15:40:13 | <dminuoso> | Dec 08 16:39:56 Verleihnix xmonad[30201]: Enum.toEnum{Word8}: tag (8211) is outside of bounds (0,255) |
| 15:40:14 | dminuoso | sighs |
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| 15:45:30 | <dminuoso> | Mmm, this is going to be annoying to debug since this is all running through an nixos options |
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| 16:01:09 | <dminuoso> | Oh interesting, that's a bottom bomb from inside debugStackString |
| 16:01:29 | <dminuoso> | Nice to have these partial functions flying around in base. |
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| 16:37:10 | <mc47> | Liskni_si sorry, I was AFK. I couldn't join #xmonad on Matrix, it said I don't have an invitation |
| 16:37:51 | <Liskni_si> | mc47: was that yesterday or couple days ago? |
| 16:37:54 | <mc47> | It's cool that you tried it though, thanks! |
| 16:37:58 | <mc47> | It was today actually |
| 16:38:09 | <Liskni_si> | mc47: anyway I didn't get discouraged so it should be fixed now |
| 16:38:22 | <halfy> | hi Liskni_si, having a look at the Matrix bug now |
| 16:38:29 | <halfy> | (with my bridge admin hat on) |
| 16:38:46 | <Liskni_si> | halfy: ě |
| 16:38:48 | <Liskni_si> | ♥ |
| 16:39:12 | <mc47> | Liskni_si now I'm in, cool! |
| 16:43:05 | <Solid> | bugs getting fixed?! \o/ |
| 16:50:40 | <Liskni_si> | 17:49:48 -- [#xmonad] [1] $~a quieted by egan.freenode.net on So, 02 kvě 2020 00:17:36 |
| 16:50:42 | <Liskni_si> | 17:49:48 -- [#xmonad] End of Channel Quiet List |
| 16:50:54 | <Liskni_si> | does anyone have any idea what this means and whether it may be relevant? |
| 16:51:35 | <halfy> | from my side, I can see the bridge successfully sending messages to IRC and I feel like something at the ircd end is blocking things |
| 16:51:55 | <halfy> | but i'm not sure how to verify that |
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| 16:52:52 | <Liskni_si> | it seems $~a means all users that didn't identify with nickserv are silenced |
| 16:53:06 | <Liskni_si> | https://freenode.net/kb/answer/extbans |
| 16:53:23 | <halfy> | ah, rather than an outright ban |
| 16:53:32 | <Liskni_si> | so if I'm understanding this correctly this is not a problem on Matrix side at all |
| 16:53:39 | <Liskni_si> | in which case I'm terribly sorry for wasting your time |
| 16:53:59 | <halfy> | No worries, it's a bit of a shame there isn't a way to tell you that it was broken |
| 16:54:06 | <halfy> | since the bridge thought everything was fine |
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| 16:54:26 | <Liskni_si> | I think that's the way +q is supposed to work |
| 16:55:24 | <Solid> | Liskni_si: can confirm that test_no_nicks (joined via webchat) can't send messages here |
| 16:55:28 | <Liskni_si> | presumably there was a spam problem in the past, someone set this flag, and then everyone forgot about it |
| 16:55:45 | <Liskni_si> | let's wait for geekosaur and ask him to lift it |
| 16:56:41 | <Solid> | I suddendly feel really sorry for all the new people who presumably joined via webchat and couldn't ask their questions ^^' |
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| 17:00:30 | <Liskni_si> | Explains the quiet. |
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| 17:07:18 | <Liskni_si> | halfy: don't worry with testing if it works now, we don't have any op around now, so this will take a few hours/days to fix |
| 17:07:38 | <halfy> | I'll let you get to it |
| 17:07:54 | <halfy> | in the meantime I'm going to get the irc bridge to show an error if you can't speak |
| 17:09:08 | <Solid> | n.b.: I think every team member should get op here |
| 17:09:24 | <Solid> | this way there would be an op around most of the time |
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| 17:13:21 | <geekosaur> | yeah, that's left over from a massive spam attack a few years ago |
| 17:13:36 | <geekosaur> | let's see if I can remember how to get rid of it |
| 17:15:19 | <geekosaur> | ugh. my ops vanished again |
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| 17:19:02 | <Liskni_si> | halfy: oh, right, there is a notification: :adams.freenode.net 404 Liskni_s1 #xmonad :Cannot send to nick/channel |
| 17:19:18 | <halfy> | oh we do send warnings? |
| 17:19:26 | <halfy> | oh you mean on IRC |
| 17:19:30 | <Liskni_si> | halfy: the ircd does, I thought it doesn't |
| 17:19:52 | <halfy> | https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-appservice-irc/pull/1204 is our fix to ensure that we pipe that through to Matrix |
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| 17:22:39 | <Liskni_si> | apparently I still remember that it's rfc1459, but I no longer remember what's in it :-/ |
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| 19:17:32 | <adder> | hello, this is my config: https://github.com/adder46/dotfiles/blob/master/.xmonad/xmonad.hs i'm unable to figure out how to use modMask (i.e., both alts) with shiftMask and controlMask in additionalKeys, i've read the docs and it seems it's not possible, at least not easily |
| 19:19:31 | <geekosaur> | this is why we have additionalKeysP instead, it can translate "M-" prefix to your modMask |
| 19:21:47 | <sgibber2018> | If there's any xmonad developers in here I'd like to say thanks! This is my first real window manager and it's amazing. I'm using my computer in ways that weren't even feasible before. Thank you |
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| 19:37:23 | <adder> | how would i change this? https://github.com/adder46/dotfiles/blob/master/.xmonad/xmonad.hs#L28 |
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| 19:47:29 | <geekosaur> | mod1Mask is M1- prefix; mod4Mask is M4- prefix. Control is C- prefix. |
| 19:48:17 | <geekosaur> | So for example (mod1Mask .|. controlMask, xK_p) becomes "M1-C-p" with additionalKeysP |
| 19:48:46 | <geekosaur> | (mod1Mask, xK_F1) becomes "M1-<F1>" |
| 19:52:12 | <geekosaur> | hm, you also have to change the list comprehensions |
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| 19:53:20 | <geekosaur> | and myExtraWorkspaces |
| 20:00:53 | -ChanServ-- | gwern set flags +Aiortv on geekosaur |
| 20:01:24 | <geekosaur> | huh |
| 20:02:10 | <adder> | yeah that's a bit steep for me as i'm not good in haskell |
| 20:04:38 | <Liskni_si> | geekosaur: you should now be able to op yourself and reset the +q mode |
| 20:05:22 | <geekosaur> | yes, I saw. now I have to remember how to do that when I'm on webchat and don't have the fancy bans window >.> |
| 20:05:57 | ChanServ | sets mode +o geekosaur |
| 20:10:16 | <adder> | any suggestions? |
| 20:13:24 | geekosaur | sets mode -q $~a |
| 20:13:52 | <geekosaur> | Liskni_si, try your bot now |
| 20:18:00 | <geekosaur> | adder, I'm not really in a position to rewrite your config unfortunately, I'm trying to do too many things at once as it is |
| 20:22:22 | <dminuoso> | In XMonad.Prompt.XPConfig you can specify a font. How do I make this font available? I have some: /home/dminuoso/.local/share/fonts/PragmataPro_Mono_R_0828.ttf: PragmataPro Mono:style=Regular |
| 20:22:29 | <dminuoso> | But xlsfonts is not displaying it |
| 20:24:09 | <geekosaur> | xlsfonts doesn't know about truetype fonts. try fc-list |
| 20:24:33 | <geekosaur> | (well, there's a way to tell it but it converts them to bitmaps in the server) |
| 20:26:29 | <geekosaur> | in general if you'd use "xft:fontname" to select it, xlsfonts won't know about it but the fc-* utilities will |
| 20:26:54 | <liskin[m]> | Not a bot, a gateway into the Matrix! |
| 20:27:30 | <dminuoso> | Mmm, what is this "xft:fontname" format? Is there a generic tool that resolves this string to a font, or is it the responsibility of the xmonad-contrib module to figure this one out? |
| 20:28:47 | <geekosaur> | xmonad-contrib already uses the right entry points to resolve such fontnames, at least if built with the use_xft flag which should be the default on modern systems |
| 20:29:08 | <vrs> | dminuoso: they're called xlfd (https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/X_Logical_Font_Description) |
| 20:29:25 | <vrs> | err xft strings |
| 20:29:30 | <vrs> | xfld are the legacy ones |
| 20:30:04 | <dminuoso> | geekosaur: Ah cheers! |
| 20:30:27 | <dminuoso> | Yeah I can see how this works now |
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| 20:52:22 | <geekosaur> | adder, I bookmarked your xmonad.hs and will try to look at it tomorrow |
| 20:52:37 | <geekosaur> | hm. |
| 20:52:49 | geekosaur | sets mode -o geekosaur |
| 20:53:26 | <geekosaur> | long as I can get it back when needed… |
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| 21:05:46 | <adder> | geekosaur, i think i solved the issue, thanks anyway |
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| 23:24:11 | <dimestop> | did krz hilight me meaning to hilight you dminuoso |
| 23:24:31 | <dimestop> | something about a layout |
| 23:24:43 | <dimestop> | ah well he's gone now |
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| 23:31:13 | <dminuoso> | Mmm? |
| 23:35:51 | <dimestop> | ah I got hilighted early but when I went back it looks like he was chatting to you |
| 23:35:53 | <dimestop> | all good |
| 23:35:56 | <dimestop> | earlier* |
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