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01:26:44 <annihilannic> first time trying xmonad today, how do I change alt-tab behaviour to use a 'most-recently-used' stack? looking at XMonda.ActionsCycleWindows but it seems to be for cycling the window content, not the focus
01:30:20 <annihilannic> Also how can I change the workspace switching to use ctrl-alt-<n> instead of alt-<n> (which I use for switching irssi channels)
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01:46:14 <vrs> most people use mod4 (the windows key) as mod key to avoid exactly this issue, too many applications use alt
01:50:42 <vrs> I would've expected CycleWindows to solve your problem, but I've never used it and your reading seems right
02:02:41 <annihilannic> vrs: makes sense, do you have a reference for how to change xmonad.hs to do that? I'm trying to get my head around the extensions documenation, but this haskell... is hurting my OCD tendencies
02:02:54 <annihilannic> vrs: lines beginning with commas.... yeurgh!
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02:03:29 <vrs> you needn't do that, it's just an idiom that makes the commas line up with the { and }
02:03:38 <vrs> you can do traditional commas too
02:03:55 <vrs> to use the win key, modMask = mod4Mask
02:04:26 <vrs> (next to where you also set the terminal)
02:07:24 <annihilannic> I'm not sure what you mean by 'next to where you also set the terminal'. I'm starting from the vanilla xmonad.hs which was delivered with the CentOS xmonad 0.11 package: https://termbin.com/pvuk
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02:14:05 <annihilannic> Trying to get my head around http://hackage.haskell.org/package/xmonad-contrib-0.16/docs/XMonad-Doc-Extending.html#g:9 - the example of a complete xmonad.hs at the end of 'Adding key bindings' looks quite different to the one I'm starting with.
02:17:03 <annihilannic> It recommends using XMonad.Util.CustomKeys but I don't seem to have xmonad-contrib, nor is it in the repository xmonad came from, strangely.
02:18:16 <annihilannic> Perhaps xmonad-0.11 is too old for these docs to be relevant.
02:23:59 <annihilannic> I'm thinking i3wm may be a better choice for my first foray into tiling WM, seems the bar is set lower there. ;-)
02:24:23 <vrs> https://hastebin.com/fovukaqupo.rb
02:24:44 <coldpress> annihilannic: it's a simple text config, which is good, but also bad
02:25:28 <annihilannic> coldpress: Yeah, I can see that, good discussion here: https://www.reddit.com/r/xmonad/comments/4c1ukl/why_is_i3_getting_more_popular_than_xmonad/
02:26:03 <vrs> I believe you ought to be able to replace desktopConfig with desktopConfig { modMask = mod4Mask }
02:26:44 <annihilannic> vrs: I'm assuming I can't replace my entire config with that? oh, okay, I'll try that.
02:27:25 <annihilannic> What value are those existing importas for Gnome/Kde/etc. if I'm not currently running them. Does running applications belonging to those DEs within xmonad benefit from some of those settings?
02:27:25 <vrs> yeah my config is 400 lines overall, and I'm somewhat rusty as I've written most of it 5 years ago
02:28:22 <annihilannic> Can I reload config on the fly?
02:28:34 <vrs> mod+q
02:29:05 <annihilannic> Hmm... no change.
02:30:23 <vrs> desktopConfig is just a default config with some support for ewmh (fullscreen support etc) and status bars it seems https://hackage.haskell.org/package/xmonad-contrib-0.16/docs/src/XMonad.Config.Desktop.html#desktopConfig
02:34:37 <annihilannic> Hrm... okay, my next thought was log out and log in again. How do you log out?? :-)
02:34:50 <annihilannic> xmonad --restart seems to do nothing
02:35:06 <vrs> xmonad --restart will do just that, it'll take over all existing windows
02:36:17 <annihilannic> ... and presumably I should see a fresh new 'xmonad' process running, but I don't?
02:37:03 <vrs> if you see the window borders flicker, then it's working
02:37:06 <By_JumperX4[m]> <annihilannic "Hrm... okay, my next thought was"> mod + shift + q
02:37:06 <By_JumperX4[m]> also check `xmonad --recompile`
02:37:06 <By_JumperX4[m]> to see if there is problems
02:37:29 <vrs> ohh do you have xmessage installed?
02:37:44 <vrs> that is kind of critical for seeing compile errors if you recompile via mod+q
02:38:06 <vrs> also try the following https://hastebin.com/ufuniyoduc.swift
02:38:28 <annihilannic> xmonad --recompile did not complain. mod-shift-q certainly worked though, kind of like killing X
02:38:42 <vrs> yes, mod-shift-q is quit
02:38:50 <annihilannic> yes, xmessage is installed.
02:43:33 <annihilannic> vrs: that minimal config has done the trick, thanks
02:46:35 <annihilannic> haha mod-l somehow still passes through to my windows host (running CentOS in a virtualbox VM) and locks the screen
02:52:55 <Hash> annihilannic: hi
02:53:05 <annihilannic> Computer\HKEY_CURRENT_USER\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Policies\System -> DWORD DisableLockWorkstation = 1... problem solved.
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02:53:51 <annihilannic> Hi Hash, thanks for coming over, vrs and By_JumperX4[m] have been helping me a lot already
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02:54:18 <Hash> https://termbin.com/ldic
02:54:29 <Hash> Here's my xmonad.hs if that helps
02:55:03 <annihilannic> Thanks, useful reference. Are you on 0.16?
02:55:15 <Hash> No idea. Whatever is in Ubuntu 20.04
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02:55:36 <Hash> I am on 0.15
02:55:42 <annihilannic> CentOS 7 delivers 0.11, which I suspect is quite a few years old now.
02:55:48 <Hash> Ooof very
02:56:15 <Hash> https://xmonad.org/intro.html
02:56:34 <Hash> You could do cabal method
02:56:43 <annihilannic> Not sure I'm missing out on anything important though. No published repos seem to have more than 0.12, so ... okay, will look at that.
02:57:09 <Hash> Basically you will use cabal package manager and install xmonad or buld it yourself with stack
02:57:59 <Hash> https://brianbuccola.com/how-to-install-xmonad-and-xmobar-via-stack/ this may also shed light on how to build it
02:59:24 <Hash> http://wiki.haskell.org/Xmonad/Installing_xmonad#From_Hackage
02:59:57 <Hash> https://www.haskell.org/platform/ grab the latest Haskell here
03:00:05 <Hash> I don't know CentOS
03:00:10 <Hash> Or how old it is
03:00:40 <vrs> well you're in luck, the config format has hardly changed since 0.11
03:01:22 <By_JumperX4[m]> I'm having such an issue with xmobar... in the StdinReader, it says it could not parse string : <fc=yellow> blah blah blah instead of actually showing my workspaces numbers (sending confs in next message)
03:01:44 <vrs> the biggest change is that newer versions use `def` for default values and 0.11 does not, it usually has a type specific one
03:01:55 <annihilannic> CentOS 7, releaseed 2014, so.. not new. Clone of Red Hat Enterprise Linux, designed to be a stable software set so it doesn't get updated very aggressively.
03:01:55 <By_JumperX4[m]> xmonad.hs : https://paste.ramle.be/uvohobifib.sql
03:02:41 <Hash> And just Run StdinReader ?
03:02:41 <By_JumperX4[m]> xmobarrc : https://paste.ramle.be/meyehuwonu.pl
03:03:02 <By_JumperX4[m]> PS : running xmonad 0.15
03:03:36 <By_JumperX4[m]> Hash: I'm pretty new to xmonad, not really sure of what you're asking me ^^
03:03:41 <Hash> Hang on nop
03:03:43 <Hash> np
03:03:55 <Hash> template ="%StdinReader% Cpu Temp: %tcpu%C %cpu% Mem: %memory% %swap%} %date%{" You're not using any format strings
03:04:22 <Hash> your log hook is fin
03:04:23 <Hash> fine
03:04:56 <By_JumperX4[m]> I think I understand
03:04:59 <By_JumperX4[m]> I have to tell him how to read the crap xmonad sends him
03:05:02 <Hash> I don't know xmobar in detail but I see potential problem that you probably need to use format strings to display the stdinreader
03:05:06 <Hash> or anything
03:05:11 <Hash> I dont' know this, let me test
03:05:23 <Hash> template = "<fc=#FE6BD2>%StdinReader%</fc>}{☀<fc=#8888FF>%KBDU%</fc> ♶ <fc=#C273FE>%coretemp%</fc> ⚛ <fc=#A6FE4E>%memory%</fc> <fc=#FE0101>%swap%</fc> <fc=#5BD8FE>%enp4s0%</fc> - <fc=#FE7FFE>%date%</fc>"
03:05:25 <By_JumperX4[m]> (I actually have no idea of how to do that)
03:05:27 <Hash> That's my template string if that helps
03:06:06 <By_JumperX4[m]> `<fc=#FE6BD2>%StdinReader%</fc>`
03:06:12 <By_JumperX4[m]> I assume I have to copy/paste this part
03:06:36 <Hash> Not sure. But why it is complaining about this <fc=yellow>
03:06:41 <Hash> When that's not even in your template string
03:07:35 <By_JumperX4[m]> and then put white everywhere
03:07:36 <By_JumperX4[m]> idk
03:07:42 <Hash> https://termbin.com/b9fa this is my xmboarrc
03:07:51 <Hash> Please compare and contrast
03:08:02 <Hash> Also, you can replace a few of your things with xmobar plugins
03:08:31 <By_JumperX4[m]> I didn't knew xmobar had plugins
03:08:38 <Hash> You have read the docs at all?
03:09:05 <Hash> https://hackage.haskell.org/package/xmobar
03:09:13 <By_JumperX4[m]> not everything, just tried to get working workspaces and clocks, the rest is not vital ^^
03:09:16 <Hash> There is a ridiculous amount of plugins
03:09:27 <Hash> I see
03:09:45 <Hash> What do you mean 'get workspaces working' in xmobar?
03:09:58 <Hash> StdInreader shows the curent workspace, not all of them
03:10:23 <By_JumperX4[m]> actually I don't have workspaces displayed
03:10:32 <By_JumperX4[m]> yeah but right now there is nothing at all
03:11:04 <By_JumperX4[m]> just a huge error that takes the whole bar
03:11:06 <Hash> It shows the active workspace and active window title
03:11:24 <Hash> Let me try your config verbatim
03:11:26 <Hash> brb
03:12:25 <Hash> Ok so I get blank bar
03:12:26 <By_JumperX4[m]> ima do same with yours
03:12:29 <Hash> nothing. absolutely nothing.
03:12:38 <By_JumperX4[m]> I get same error with your config
03:12:44 <Hash> Ha.
03:13:06 <By_JumperX4[m]> + it doesn't displays on the good screen but that's a detail
03:13:17 <Hash> I do lower on start = false and no bar at all
03:14:20 <By_JumperX4[m]> so the problem's not from my config
03:14:27 <Hash> I don't know.
03:14:28 <By_JumperX4[m]> as I get the same with yours
03:14:45 <By_JumperX4[m]> so it comes from my xmonad config ?
03:15:34 <By_JumperX4[m]> I got xmonad 0.15 and xmobar 0.36
03:15:43 <By_JumperX4[m]> installed using gentoo's portage
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03:16:33 <Hash> I don't know.
03:16:38 <Hash> I'm trying to see
03:17:00 <By_JumperX4[m]> if you try my xmonad config, do you get errors ?
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03:17:20 <Hash> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Xmobar#Configuration
03:17:23 <Hash> Check this out
03:18:17 <Hash> hmm
03:18:19 <Hash> This is peculiar
03:18:43 <Hash> I tried the config on that page verbatim and I also don' get a bar at all. just space allocatd on top but no bar
03:19:02 <By_JumperX4[m]> hmmm
03:19:08 <By_JumperX4[m]> do you have those fonts installed ?
03:19:23 <By_JumperX4[m]> ubuntu mono in my case and bitstream vera moni in arch's ?
03:19:28 <Hash> yes
03:19:33 <Hash> they are standard fons
03:19:34 <Hash> not the ubunt one
03:19:53 <By_JumperX4[m]> I have ubuntu mono in mine
03:21:55 <Hash> Sorry I don't know
03:21:58 <Hash> perhaps another can help
03:28:02 <By_JumperX4[m]> :(
03:46:28 <Hash> By_JumperX4[m]: has xmobar ever worked for you
03:46:35 <Hash> Or have you always had an error?
03:46:50 <Hash> https://beginners-guide-to-xmonad.readthedocs.io/configure_xmobar.html
03:46:56 <Hash> You can try to rebuild your config?
03:47:25 <By_JumperX4[m]> I don't get the error if I don't use StdinReader
03:47:35 <Hash> Interesting.
03:47:43 <By_JumperX4[m]> i'm cleaning my keyboard rn
03:47:48 <Hash> ok np
03:47:51 <By_JumperX4[m]> wait a min
03:47:52 <Hash> I'm gonna get dinnr
03:47:59 <Hash> ok im getting high for now
03:48:00 <By_JumperX4[m]> it's very dirty
03:48:01 <Hash> srue
03:48:07 <Hash> take your time
04:22:04 <By_JumperX4[m]> i'm back
04:58:01 <Hash> I gotta study!
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05:20:10 <annihilannic> Interestingly 'cabal install xmonad' only gets me version 0.14... unexpected?
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05:33:24 <annihilannic> xmonad.hs:2:8: Could not find module `XMonad.Config.Desktop' Use -v to see a list of the files searched for.Error detected while loading xmonad configuration file: /home/anni/.xmonad/xmonad.hs
05:33:59 <annihilannic> [anni@boron ~]$ xmonad --recompile -v
05:33:59 <annihilannic> xmonad: user error (unrecognized flags)
05:34:27 <annihilannic> Is it recommending the '-v' option to some other command?
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06:26:46 <annihilannic> mod-shift-j/k seem the wrong way around to me
06:27:05 <annihilannic> I mean.. mod-j/k
06:28:18 <annihilannic> No they don't... I just need to think 'vi' rather than 'clockwise/counter-clockwise'
06:29:36 <annihilannic> I can't figure out what mod-t is supposed to do
06:34:53 <annihilannic> Now that I figured out how to float a window, I understand what mod-t does. :-)
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08:29:35 <Hash> For .Config.Desktop to work you must install the xmonad-contrib repository
08:29:52 <Hash> https://hackage.haskell.org/package/xmonad-contrib
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08:30:33 <Hash> cabal install xmonad-contrib
08:31:27 <Hash> http://hackage.haskell.org/packages/search?terms=xmonad
08:31:40 <Hash> Latest there is 0.15 listed
08:31:58 <Hash> xmonad 0.15 (2018-09-30) is available from our download page. as per the main home page
08:32:21 <Hash> after cabal install you should also update/refresh package list I think
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08:33:01 <Hash> annihilannic: ^
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08:57:56 <annihilannic> Hash: Yeah thanks, when I tried to cabal install 0.14 it failed due to a downrev ghc install, so when I tried to recompile it was still pulling in some stuff from the ~/.ghc of the failed cabal install
08:58:24 <annihilannic> Hash: I'll stick with 0.11 for now, and look into a ghc upgrade if I'm committed to xmonad
08:58:29 <annihilannic> So far so good!
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09:27:04 <Hash> Awesome good to hear
09:27:17 <Hash> I feel bad I coudln't help jumper4x
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12:17:40 <ADG1089__> which xmonad is working fine but Super-Q sends xmessage that xmonad not found in $PATH (I added xmonad binary location in .zshrc .bashrc & .profile)
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12:40:47 <geekosaur> those files only affect what's running in terminals, except on debian/ubuntu. you'll need to arrange for xmonad to be in /usr/bin (I'd use a symlink)
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13:31:14 <annihilannic> In the 'tall' layout, can you adjust the height of the 'slave' windows so that they are unequally sized?
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13:37:05 <fizzie> Not as far as I recall, but XMonad.Layout.ResizableTile provides a ResizableTall variant where you can.
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15:11:25 <dminuoso> Mmm. So I have the issue of screen tearing when say switching between workspaces, or even just watching netflix.
15:11:45 <dminuoso> Im confident this is not an xmonad issue... which exact component in X is responsible for doing something like vsync?
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17:08:28 <benley> I've run into a confusing problem where my M-[1-9] stopped working after a reboot, but M-shift-[1-9] still work fine, and my xmonad.hs didn't change at all
17:08:39 <benley> ...and I don't know where to begin troubleshooting this. Any suggestions?
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18:06:03 <vrs> benley: something something xkb/xmodmap?
18:06:31 <vrs> also does xev see your keys when you press them?
18:11:07 <geekosaur> dminuoso, that would be the video driver
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18:27:31 <benley> vrs: xev does see the keys, and I'm not doing anything fancy with xkb or xmodmap (but I'll doublecheck that)
18:29:08 <benley> yeah nope, no xmodmap shenanigans. I'm starting xmonad by having plasma-workspace launch it instead of the normal kde window manager
18:29:36 <benley> I thought maybe kde/plasma was eating the keys, but since xev can see them that's probably not it
18:30:03 <benley> I'll try explicitly adding more mappings for m-[1-9] in my xmonad.hs and see if that changes anything
18:36:01 <benley> what on earth - apparently m-9 works but none of m-[1-8] do
18:39:05 <benley> this probably is not xmonad's fault but I'm still unsure what's going on
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18:42:26 <ectospasm> benley: do you use any Xorg desktop automation tools that might be intercepting those keypresses?
18:42:49 <benley> It could very well be some part of the plasma desktop environment.
18:43:17 <benley> it's just confusing because it started seemingly out of nowhere
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18:55:02 <ectospasm> benley: have you upgraded plasma (or anything KDE) recently?
18:55:16 <ectospasm> maybe new defaults snuck in
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19:29:06 <benley> not that I'm aware of, but yeah maybe
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19:56:39 <Mzg> st
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20:04:00 <al3x27> any pointers how I can force a floating app to become full screen? (gimp)
20:08:56 <ectospasm> al3x27: I think there's a default keybinding that will toggle float, but I don't remember what it is.
20:09:12 <vrs> mod+t
20:09:14 <ectospasm> I don't have it set in my xmonad.hs, so I haven't overridden the default.
20:09:21 <ectospasm> al3x27: ^
20:09:32 <vrs> I recommend you switch on gimp's single window mode
20:09:51 <vrs> that one will tile by default
20:10:20 <vrs> View -> New View I believe
20:10:54 <vrs> ah no, under Windows -> Single Window Mode
20:11:10 <geekosaur> mod-t doesn't toggle float, it tiles a floating window. easiest way to float a window is mod-leftclick
20:12:17 <vrs> I have no more gimp specific bindings except those two: role `startsWith` "gimp-toolbox" -?> doCenterFloat , role =? "gimp-message-dialog" -?> doCenterFloat
20:13:11 <geekosaur> I see you use composeOne
20:13:14 <al3x27> I can't believe ^t actually worked!
20:13:47 <vrs> yes it's composeOne
20:14:16 <geekosaur> (-?>) won't work with composeAll, it'd have to be (-->)
20:15:53 <vrs> oh uh and I have startsWith defined as startsWith query prefix = fmap (isPrefixOf prefix) query
20:17:29 <vrs> and role as stringProperty "WM_WINDOW_ROLE"
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20:42:35 <al3x27> nm, it dawned on me what WM_WINDOW_ROLE meant...
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