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| 08:26:29 | <mc47> | am I the only one who thinks the base config needs some kind of configurable `restartHook`? :/ |
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| 08:59:18 | <Solid> | the answer is always "probably not" :p |
| 08:59:27 | <Solid> | but at least I have never felt the need for something like that |
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| 09:01:08 | <mc47> | I've been thinking about the DynamicLog PR, and how to rewrite DynamicBars.. the cleaner interface would be that the `sbCleanupHook` kills the StatusBarConfig its part of, nothing more, nothing less, and that it would go in a restartHook |
| 09:01:46 | <mc47> | that way, you could use `sbCleanupHook` to individually kill the StatusBarConfig as a reaction to the change in the screen configuration |
| 09:02:08 | <mc47> | I don't see how that could be possible with the `sbCleanupHook` forced to go into the startupHook :/ |
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| 09:19:03 | <Solid> | I mean you could probably somehow associate status bars to PIDs in the extensible state, no? |
| 09:21:11 | <mc47> | Not sure |
| 09:21:39 | <mc47> | I thought about adding another hook to the StatusBarConfig that kills it |
| 09:22:09 | <mc47> | (close the handle for pipes, kill the pid and remove it from the saved pids for property-based bars) and that could work |
| 09:22:29 | <mc47> | it seemed kinda ugly though+ |
| 09:24:20 | <Solid> | I feel like you can have a map in the extensible state that matches the `cmd' you give to spawnStatusBarAndRemember to a PID |
| 09:24:44 | <Solid> | and then cleanupStatusBars could be :: String -> X () instead and look up that bar |
| 09:25:14 | <Solid> | I think you have that information when you build the record so sbCleanupHook wouldn't need to change |
| 09:25:33 | <mc47> | I mean yes, for individual status bars it would work |
| 09:25:57 | <mc47> | uh wait |
| 09:26:56 | <Solid> | (I'm fighting with (infinity, 1)-categories right now and only gave it a short look, very possible that I missed something) |
| 09:27:19 | <Solid> | but I think it would play nicely with the semigroup instance even |
| 09:27:22 | <mc47> | :D good luck |
| 09:27:29 | <Solid> | :) |
| 09:27:55 | <mc47> | I guess it might not exactly work with pipes, unless we change how we spawn them |
| 09:28:12 | <mc47> | anyway I'm just thinking outloud, I'll need to play around with this more |
| 09:33:20 | <Liskni_si> | This commandline-based killing is exactly what I have in my SpawnManager |
| 09:37:13 | <Liskni_si> | And for piped xmobars you may need to store the pipe somewhere, like I did in the PR meant to fix Solid's weird config setup that we closed. There was an ioref, so that the spawnPipe could go to startupHook. |
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| 09:44:17 | <mc47> | IORef could actually fix the problem with pipes |
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| 10:00:49 | <Liskni_si> | this is the ioref pr: https://github.com/xmonad/xmonad-contrib/pull/400/files |
| 10:07:21 | <mc47> | awesome, thanks! |
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| 10:25:25 | <Solid> | (I like my weird setup btw :>) |
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| 10:38:53 | <Liskni_si> | (do you still build your xmonad.hs as bin/xmonad instead of the $1 arg to the build script?) |
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| 10:47:47 | <Solid> | let's just say you would not like the answer :D |
| 10:48:39 | <Liskni_si> | well as long as it works … :-) |
| 10:49:59 | <Solid> | and with property-based logging it does now! :) |
| 10:50:36 | <Liskni_si> | oh right, even the xmobar fix would probably be enough |
| 10:50:42 | <Solid> | it's still a remnant of when I first installed xmonad, was still very new to haskell, and didn't know anyhting about stack or how to build things with it (not that it's much better now) |
| 10:51:16 | <Solid> | call it nostalgia (if that's even possible for something that's less than two years old) |
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| 15:29:47 | <geekosaur> | welp. apparently the haskell foundation has decided to eject us from the haskell wiki |
| 15:30:55 | <geekosaur> | gwern just blocked a mass delete which included our stuff. anyonein a position to back p our content? (I'm not, will be installing a new machine today and hope to get some badly needed xmonad-testing updates out of it) |
| 15:40:55 | <Solid> | yikes |
| 15:41:29 | <Solid> | I can start up wget right now, but I doubt that that's the best way to go about things |
| 15:42:35 | <geekosaur> | hold on a bit, it sounds like there need to be some restores also :( |
| 15:42:46 | <geekosaur> | discussion, such as it is, over in #haskell |
| 15:42:54 | <geekosaur> | I did not need this this weekend |
| 15:43:15 | <geekosaur> | have a nasty suspicion that my plans for the weekend just got flushed down the toilet |
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| 16:03:34 | <Liskni_si> | Are we meant to interpret this as a bad intentioned move? |
| 16:04:03 | <Solid> | I doubt it |
| 16:04:30 | <Solid> | I would guess they're just puring all old material so the wiki becomes more maintainable |
| 16:05:09 | <Solid> | and you can't really argue that the xmonad stuff is horrible outdated at this point---still a little warning would have been nice :) |
| 16:05:17 | <Liskni_si> | I'm tempted to just call it "another dead link on reddit, whatever, it wasn't getting updated anyway" |
| 16:06:10 | <Liskni_si> | It's entirely possible there was a warning, to one of the inactive members of core :-D |
| 16:06:18 | <Solid> | :D |
| 16:07:53 | <Solid> | I guess we can see this as an incentive to move all the still relevant information somewhere we control (like the xmonad website!) |
| 16:08:56 | <geekosaur> | there was no warning to anyone and we weren't the only target |
| 16:09:24 | <Solid> | :/ |
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| 16:49:30 | <geekosaur> | siiigh |
| 16:49:39 | <geekosaur> | today started off bad and is getting worse |
| 16:50:17 | <geekosaur> | linux mint installer crashed,, now hangs on reboot. trying (still downloading) ubuntu lts |
| 16:50:40 | <geekosaur> | the windows install appears to still be functional, at least |
| 16:51:13 | <geekosaur> | but between this and the morning's "fun", I doubt I actually get around to much this weekend |
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| 17:05:08 | <Liskni_si> | well take your time, a good linux install lasts for decades, it's important to get it right :-) |
| 17:17:15 | <geekosaur> | thankfully, ubuntu seems to be booting although it's doing fs checks |
| 17:18:54 | <Liskni_si> | Last time I had to install something, took me a while to figure out this whole EFI thing. After having used BIOS stuff since I was 10, it was really weird not having a clue what is going on. :-) |
| 17:18:57 | <geekosaur> | mint may have been doing such a check but it at least normally dislays a status message |
| 17:19:27 | <geekosaur> | the machine I'm using now came with EFI. I nuked it, mostly because it was early and done really wrong |
| 17:20:06 | <geekosaur> | they used it to install some crappy lite office suite you could break into |
| 17:20:27 | <geekosaur> | which went really well with linux, of course (it expected windows 95, went poorly with win7 too) |
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| 17:20:50 | <Liskni_si> | the early EFI firmwares were really bad, yeah |
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| 17:23:16 | <Solid> | r.e. the haskell wiki: thinking about this again, surely wiki's have some kind of export tools available? |
| 17:23:28 | <Solid> | and one could just ask for a dumb of all deleted stuff |
| 17:23:37 | <aldum> | I still dont have a clue about EFI |
| 17:31:00 | <geekosaur> | ubuntu install seems to be working, although I have yet to figure out where it put a/the swap partition; didn't linux remove using swap files? |
| 17:31:24 | geekosaur | even left 16GB out of the root filesystem that the installer then failed to show as free space :( |
| 17:36:39 | <Liskni_si> | I'm reading #haskell logs now |
| 17:37:06 | <Liskni_si> | seems like this whole Haskell Foundation thing isn't going as well as the SPJ youtube talks made me believe |
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| 17:38:08 | <Liskni_si> | I'm probably naive, but I genuinely thought it was going to be unicorns and rainbows and the Haskell community finally coming together and stop being dicks to one another |
| 17:38:11 | <Liskni_si> | oh silly me. :-D |
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| 17:45:45 | <geekosaur> | pretty much |
| 17:46:02 | <geekosaur> | this isn't the first time they've popped a surprise on everyone either |
| 17:52:10 | <geekosaur> | gwern is possibly not the person to be asking about the wiki. maybe Uniaika |
| 17:52:49 | <geekosaur> | but if we have no other options gh wiki is probably the place. dunno how you export or import from mediawiki though |
| 17:53:28 | <Liskni_si> | he was the one who quite explicitly said he's against moving small projects out of HaskellWiki, and he also said he's personally watching the xmonad-related pages |
| 17:54:19 | <Liskni_si> | gh wiki is just a git branch in the repo with markdown pages, so import is possibly easy (if you're willing to install pandoc into your $PATH, lol) |
| 17:54:32 | <geekosaur> | yes but he has no standing, he's just the one who noticed the "vandalism" and blocked it |
| 17:54:48 | <Liskni_si> | he used to be part of the core team I think |
| 17:54:56 | <Liskni_si> | I care about his opinion |
| 17:55:06 | <geekosaur> | I'm going to have to shut this session down soon so I can move my files to the new machine |
| 17:55:23 | <Liskni_si> | yeah I'll soon go afk for the rest of today as well |
| 17:55:40 | <geekosaur> | trying to avoid having to have both machines with me tomorrow |
| 17:55:49 | <Liskni_si> | I'd love to hear your opinions about what other wiki options we have though |
| 17:56:04 | <Liskni_si> | (your = plural, all of you folks here) |
| 17:56:56 | <Liskni_si> | I personally feel like github might be good and easy for new people to contribute to, but I haven't actually seen it in practice so I may be completely mistaken |
| 17:59:16 | <Solid> | tbh the discussion doesn't look that bad to me; someone just didn't think things completely through (or talk with the community) before doing rather drastic measure |
| 17:59:27 | <Solid> | and the other person responsible for this seems to be more or less understanding of the issue |
| 17:59:50 | <Solid> | here's to hoping that we can still have unicorns at some point :) |
| 18:01:00 | <Solid> | r.e. which wiki: I do think github is the easiest (and this may get people to contribute docs for once), but I'd also be cautious to put all of our eggs into the same proprietary basket |
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| 18:03:02 | <geekosaur> | we put our source into it |
| 18:03:16 | <Liskni_si> | the good thing is that its being proprietary isn't that much of an issue as it lives in a branch and gets backed by almost anyone cloning the repo |
| 18:04:02 | <Liskni_si> | if github becomes unacceptable, it'll invalidate urls to the source, and then maybe also to the wiki, not that big a deal |
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| 18:04:14 | <Solid> | I suppose that's true |
| 18:05:46 | <Liskni_si> | (on the other hand i've been wrong on this before; in 2015 I was happy to suggest to my team at work to switch to Slack, because it's all nice and cozy for the kids and we oldschool guys can still connect through IRC, and then we suddenly couldn't, yet everyone kept using it) |
| 18:08:01 | <aldum> | why is everyone scrambling to leave IRC, it just werks (tm) |
| 18:10:05 | <geekosaur> | because it's not Web(tm) |
| 18:10:19 | <geekosaur> | web all the things |
| 18:10:41 | <Liskni_si> | I think the main reason being that you need a shell or a bouncer somewhere to be able to switch between computer and mobile and to see what happened when you were offline |
| 18:11:34 | <Liskni_si> | which would be a valid argument if it wasn't actually easier to set this all up than it is to register to Slack/Matrix/Discord/whatever |
| 18:12:00 | <Liskni_si> | (and then there's irccloud) |
| 18:13:03 | <aldum> | the one legit thing that's lacking is a good mobile client |
| 18:13:24 | <aldum> | my mobile irc client is ssh |
| 18:14:20 | <geekosaur> | yeh, I used to use an irc bouncer and ssh forwarding when I cared about mobile access |
| 18:15:10 | <Liskni_si> | I use weechat and weechat-android and if it weren't for a few bugs around merged buffers, which are there because I'm like the only person on the planet using weechat in this particular way, it'd be absolutely brilliant in every way |
| 18:15:31 | <Liskni_si> | it can even share photos by uploading them via POST somewhere and pasting the URL |
| 18:15:48 | <Liskni_si> | as easy as sharing something through the "modern" apps |
| 18:16:55 | <Liskni_si> | (it does need to keep a TCP connection open so it's not as battery efficient as the modern things, but it also means the latency is observably better) |
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