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| 13:11:18 | <geekosaur> | wheeeee |
| 13:12:11 | <geekosaur> | today I try to get xmonad running on the new laptop. got to blow most of an hour just getting to the point of starting; suspect I won't be finishing |
| 13:12:31 | <geekosaur> | (and then there's changing everything else for new cabal but that's another story) |
| 13:14:06 | <geekosaur> | also discovering random bugs in other things while going, which will be "fun" if they manifest when I go to integrate xmonad with MATE |
| 13:15:48 | <Liskni_si> | :-) |
| 13:16:11 | Liskni_si | is happy to not be the only one who keeps discovering everything is totally broken all the time |
| 13:16:56 | <mc47> | "fun" :D |
| 13:16:58 | geekosaur | *still* needs to make "human fuzzer" Tshirts |
| 13:18:45 | <geekosaur> | like, when I start the session there's no window manager. at least there's a panel, so I can pop a terminal and run marco (until I get xmonad up, of course) |
| 13:20:20 | <geekosaur> | hm, come to think of it the wm setting is part of the saved session, which means it's failing to start xmonad :) |
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| 14:36:44 | <Solid> | I think I would go insane if I discoreved as many bugs as you people :D |
| 14:37:14 | <geekosaur> | heh. I have an xmonad that will load, but no ghc yet so it won't recompile. to say nothing of updating to current git (which I have only just installed — git, that is) |
| 14:37:46 | <Solid> | that's progress at least |
| 14:38:21 | <geekosaur> | getting a machine from initial install to usability with xmonad takes a fair amount of work :/ |
| 14:38:54 | <geekosaur> | well, granted, I'm restoring an environment that's rather more than just xmonad, plus my xmonad setup is customized |
| 14:40:19 | <Liskni_si> | Solid: well, we *did* get insane. |
| 14:40:37 | <Solid> | hah |
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| 14:58:47 | <mc47> | sooooo.... I've created another module like X.H.DynamicBars that uses the new abstraction in #443, with some more changes in X.H.DynamicLog (mainly what we discussed yesterday) |
| 14:59:05 | <mc47> | I'm not sure how to advance with this |
| 14:59:28 | <mc47> | should I wait for #443 to be sorted out, or add to the same PR, or open another Draft PR? |
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| 15:19:59 | <Liskni_si> | I'd say new PR is best, #443 is full of comments and so on and probably almost ready to merge (I haven't seen the last round of changes but it's something I'm trying to get to soon) |
| 15:20:58 | <geekosaur> | I'd second a new PR |
| 15:36:15 | <mc47> | A new PR it is |
| 15:36:22 | <mc47> | I'll cleanup a bit and submit it |
| 15:36:23 | <mc47> | thanks! |
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| 17:19:35 | <endiruna> | hello. how can I bind a key to go to next non empty workspace ? |
| 17:20:07 | <endiruna> | i am looking into CycleWS but I did not manage |
| 17:27:13 | <Liskni_si> | endiruna: I'd expect "doTo Next NonEmptyWS" to do this, does it not work |
| 17:27:15 | <Liskni_si> | ? |
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| 17:37:12 | <endiruna> | doTo? |
| 17:37:20 | <endiruna> | ok |
| 17:39:09 | <geekosaur> | goTo, I think. but what did you try and what happened instead of what you wanted? |
| 17:39:12 | <Liskni_si> | oh, moveTo |
| 17:39:37 | <Liskni_si> | hands are faster than brains these days :-) |
| 17:40:04 | <geekosaur> | actually moveTo, yeh |
| 17:40:25 | <geekosaur> | which sounds wrong but the action you might think of for "move" is actually called "shift" in xmonad |
| 17:41:03 | geekosaur | had to dig out his own usage of it to see what the correct one was |
| 18:26:19 | <geekosaur> | aaaand I just tripped over a new zsh bug (add a nonexistent dir to $PATH and the whole PATH var gets nuked) |
| 18:31:33 | <geekosaur> | …I have a dep on dbus, which causes it to build half of Hackage |
| 18:31:42 | <geekosaur> | (including a lens dependency, woo) |
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| 18:41:46 | <geekosaur> | does this look familiar to anyone? |
| 18:41:51 | <geekosaur> | X11-1.9.2: library-dirs: @X_LIBRARIES@ is a relative path which makes no sense |
| 18:41:52 | <geekosaur> | (as there is nothing for it to be relative to). You can make paths relative to |
| 18:41:52 | <geekosaur> | the package database itself by using ${pkgroot}. (use --force to override) |
| 18:42:29 | <geekosaur> | oh, probably needs aclocal |
| 18:44:37 | <geekosaur> | it's not quite load and go. have to track this for my -testing updates |
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| 18:57:46 | <geekosaur> | mm, autoreconf is not enough to get X11 to build (actually install) without an error about X_LIBRRARIES as above |
| 19:03:36 | <geekosaur> | sigh, it doesn't fail with a v1-style configure, which makes it a Cabal issue of some kind |
| 19:15:16 | geekosaur | files a couple of issues, the second being a minor doc nit |
| 19:18:19 | <geekosaur> | well, apparently I'm not doing this with cabal v2, so not updating those instructions until we have an X11 that builds with v2 |
| 19:23:15 | <geekosaur> | oddly, v1-install complains about data-default, but once that's manually installed it installs a bunch of other deps itself |
| 19:23:23 | <geekosaur> | sounds like we missed one somewhere |
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| 19:24:39 | <geekosaur> | oh, never mind, ran it in the wrong directory. oddly, it's happoy to v1-install a v2-package |
| 19:24:46 | <geekosaur> | (which I will regret, probably) |
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| 19:30:12 | <Solid> | :) |
| 19:32:06 | <Solid> | I see there'll be at least 20 new bug reports in various free softare projects over the next few days :> |
| 19:33:36 | <Liskni_si> | makes one wonder how all the other people install it :-) |
| 19:38:07 | <geekosaur> | package manager :) |
| 19:38:42 | <geekosaur> | install instructions for X11 pkg don't work with cabal 3, for that matter, since that uses new-install by default |
| 19:39:01 | <geekosaur> | which will then faill the way I just reported |
| 19:40:06 | <geekosaur> | so anyway I am now up and running (sortamaybe: it runs but is not integrated yet, I started it manually) using v1-install |
| 19:40:18 | <geekosaur> | need a build script and proper MATE integration |
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| 19:56:05 | <geekosaur> | done, I think. won't be tested until tomorrow though |
| 20:03:26 | <geekosaur> | mod-q works, at least |
| 20:08:10 | <Liskni_si> | project status: "the most senior maintainer still around can almost get it built and running in a day" :-D |
| 20:09:19 | <geekosaur> | heh |
| 20:09:54 | <geekosaur> | new cabal is going to be an issue, though :/ |
| 20:10:14 | <geekosaur> | granting most folks don't build from git, but X11 not wanting to v2-install is a problem |
| 20:11:08 | <geekosaur> | we can tell folks to explicitly v1-install stuff, but this is temporary hackaround |
| 20:11:30 | <geekosaur> | (and in my case a bad one since I now have a bunch of gunk installed "globally") |
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| 20:23:00 | mc47 | never understood why cabal is so complicated |
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| 20:40:07 | <geekosaur> | you haven't seen what's underneath C autoconf scripts :) |
| 20:41:49 | <Liskni_si> | geekosaur: is it not an issue when building from the tar on hackage? |
| 20:42:23 | <geekosaur> | I haven't tried, I used the git release because I think there are a few changes needed for git xmonad+contrib |
| 20:42:56 | <Liskni_si> | there aren't, yet |
| 20:43:02 | <Liskni_si> | none of that is merged |
| 20:43:04 | <geekosaur> | but the instructions are still going to do a v2-build instead of a v1-build, which will break everywhere because everything else assumes a v1-install |
| 20:43:38 | <geekosaur> | which is why I suspect most people get it from a package manager |
| 20:43:44 | <Liskni_si> | but the only difference between git and tarball is the existence of "configure", I think |
| 20:44:08 | <geekosaur> | I ran autoreconf, it's still broken (everything I can see is properly substituted) |
| 20:44:22 | <geekosaur> | v1-install works after autoreconf |
| 20:44:39 | <geekosaur> | v2-install gets that error, including the implicit one when doing v2-build of xmonad |
| 20:44:53 | <Liskni_si> | so I'd think v2 would be broken even when installing from tarball, is what I'm trying to say |
| 20:45:11 | <geekosaur> | which means it's also not related to env files like so many cabal infelicities/bugs |
| 20:45:23 | <geekosaur> | it probably is. but I only tested from git |
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| 20:49:19 | <brttmsn> | is there a good tutorial for writing your own xmonad config somewhere? |
| 20:49:32 | <brttmsn> | or videos on how to add certain features/functions? |
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| 20:51:19 | <geekosaur> | I don't think there's an up to date one. there's one from 0.9 on the wiki |
| 20:52:29 | <mc47> | brttmsn distrotube made some vidoes about xmonad recently |
| 20:53:30 | <brttmsn> | yeah im looking over his but he doesnt really go into how to get certain libs and functions working. Like i wanna use the EZconfig lib so i can go from the default modm thing to just M-s-r to restart xmonad |
| 20:55:47 | <mc47> | Did you take a look at the documentation? Most modules have pretty good documentation and examples |
| 20:55:55 | <brttmsn> | im trying |
| 20:56:25 | <geekosaur> | most of the documentation is more helpful if you already know Haskell :) |
| 20:57:05 | <mc47> | I guess that's true :D |
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| 21:01:34 | <geekosaur> | I could point you to a slightly out of date version of my config, but there's a lot going on in there |
| 21:01:40 | <mc47> | I guess if you add: "`additionalKeysP` [("M-S-r", spawn "xmonad --restart"), ... ]" (replacing "..." with the rest of your keybindings) at the end of your config, it should work |
| 21:02:18 | <mc47> | Like this https://gitlab.com/dwt1/dotfiles/-/blob/master/.xmonad/xmonad.hs#L952 (took it from dt's dotfiles) |
| 21:02:18 | <geekosaur> | https://github.com/geekosaur/xmonad.hs/blob/pyanfar/xmonad.hs#L188 |
| 21:03:31 | mc47 | quickly steals `putEnv "_JAVA_AWT_WM_NONREPARENTING=1"` to his config |
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| 21:11:07 | <geekosaur> | oh, I have a saved email from hvr which implies that someone has managed to new-install xmonad at some point, which implies new-install of X11 as well (that being how I hit the error) so apparently this used to work. possibly broke with cabal 3, though |
| 21:11:42 | <geekosaur> | hm, no, the issue is about cabal 3. so I wonder when things broke |
| 21:11:44 | <geekosaur> | https://github.com/xmonad/xmonad/issues/199#issuecomment-609433196 |
| 21:12:15 | <geekosaur> | this is what I was going to work from in configuring my xmonad, although I wanted to do a proper cabal 3 setup first |
| 21:17:46 | <brttmsn> | Well i think im going to try and completely rewrite my config |
| 21:18:19 | <brttmsn> | i want to be able to use the EZConfig thing so i can replace that whole convulated way of writing shortcuts with something way more simple |
| 21:49:12 | <brttmsn> | okay this is confusing me |
| 21:51:07 | <geekosaur> | yes? |
| 21:57:33 | <brttmsn> | every time i fix one error another one creeps up |
| 21:57:42 | <brttmsn> | this one is about myLogHook = return () |
| 21:59:24 | <brttmsn> | i havent made any changes about myLogHook or anything that i can think of. All im trying to do is add in my key bindings |
| 22:01:09 | <geekosaur> | that may be indentation, haskell is indentation sensitive. or youdropped a bracket somewhere so it's trying to read other stuff as part of your keybinds |
| 22:01:58 | geekosaur | is not going to be around much longer, must leave soon |
| 22:02:27 | <brttmsn> | i wish i could c/p my xmonad.hs file im working on so u could see if i messed up somewhere |
| 22:02:58 | <geekosaur> | @where paste |
| 22:02:58 | <lambdabot> | Help us help you: please paste full code, input and/or output at eg https://paste.tomsmeding.com |
| 22:04:59 | <brttmsn> | https://paste.tomsmeding.com/fCweOsF5 |
| 22:05:04 | <brttmsn> | thats what ive got so far |
| 22:06:13 | <geekosaur> | myEventHook should be return (All True) as the comment above it says |
| 22:06:23 | <geekosaur> | an empty Map would be a type error |
| 22:08:29 | <Liskni_si> | or just mempty :-) |
| 22:09:37 | <geekosaur> | or idHook |
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