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01:04:51 <jmuriel> thank you! i'll give that a try later
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13:48:21 <heck-to-the-gnom> Liskni_si: I'll be really busy for the next 2-3 days, including today, so here's my full config, the stuff in question is located in `xmonad.hs` @ ~L305
13:48:28 heck-to-the-gnom posted a file: (16KiB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/BfsFTYArVNOXAGjccwrglpPM/compressed.tar.xz >
13:51:41 <Liskni_si> heck-to-the-gnom: well, s/isFloating/isFloat/ ;-)
13:51:54 <heck-to-the-gnom> No, that's another thing I've defined
13:52:31 <heck-to-the-gnom> oh, I see
13:52:32 <heck-to-the-gnom> nvm
13:52:50 <Liskni_si> on the other hand your original paste used to have isFloat and still printed errors
13:53:00 <heck-to-the-gnom> yeah
13:59:06 <Liskni_si> but I have absolutely no idea how you got those errors
13:59:26 <Liskni_si> when I uncomment the unmodded floatConfReqHook and change isFloating to isFloat, it compiles just fine
14:00:02 <heck-to-the-gnom> Huh, do you have a modified version of one of the packages?
14:00:19 <heck-to-the-gnom> Well, yes, I've seen your config. But what do I need to copy over?
14:01:04 <Liskni_si> I do have a modified version of everything, yeah
14:01:23 <Liskni_si> but I don't remember changing anything relevant :-/
14:02:44 <Liskni_si> oh and the isFloating thing doesn't even matter, the definition from FadeWindows is the same as isFloat from RefocusLast
14:06:29 <Liskni_si> runQuery ((join :: _) <$> ((isFloat :: _) -?> (mh :: _)) :: _) w >>= \case
14:06:40 <Liskni_si> can you compile with this and show the output somewhere pls?
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14:09:38 <heck-to-the-gnom> https://p.bsd-unix.net/view/5c67a953
14:14:53 <heck-to-the-gnom> Yeah, I just looked through your modifications, I have no clue what's different. Do you build your xmonad manually, or let the program build itself?
14:15:40 <Liskni_si> xmonad/xmonad-contrib is built by stack and xmonad-x86_64-linux is built by stack exec ghc
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14:15:46 <Liskni_si> all that invoked from Makefile
14:15:54 <Liskni_si> but that shouldn't really matter I think
14:16:20 <Liskni_si> runQuery ((join :: _) <$> (((-?>) :: _) (isFloat :: _) (mh :: _) :: _) :: _) w >>= \case
14:16:30 <Liskni_si> everything else checks up
14:16:39 <Liskni_si> if it isn't -?>, I don't know what :-/
14:17:30 <Liskni_si> maybe you're missing https://github.com/xmonad/xmonad-contrib/commit/b2e16d3bf1fc82b5ba71d8b4a2eb1ac328f57f5d ?
14:17:45 <heck-to-the-gnom> was that last one supposed to compile correctly?
14:17:55 <heck-to-the-gnom> another wall of errors...
14:18:18 <Liskni_si> no, not correctly, it's supposed to print a lot of types
14:18:42 <Liskni_si> but I think you're just missing that commit and that's it
14:18:47 <geekosaur> everywheree there's a _ it should output a diagnostic showing the types
14:19:05 <geekosaur> and yes, it does look like that commit is relevant given the errors you were getting before
14:20:02 <heck-to-the-gnom> Yeah, I checked one of the modified types with ghci, it's not present
14:20:37 <Liskni_si> I didn't know this was a recent change, I haven't seen ManageHelpers before 2020 I guess :-/
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14:32:16 <heck-to-the-gnom> Alright, doing a full nix-store update, it's about time anyway, but lets hope that it has the xmonad-contrib updates needed
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14:34:49 <geekosaur> I doubt it will unless they're tracking git xmonad, we haven't done a release in several years
14:35:21 <heck-to-the-gnom> OK, well, we'll see, if not, I'll write my own derivation
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16:18:16 <daphnis> has anyone tried xmonad with a superwide screen? i imagine it would be a bit annoying with few windows.
16:18:58 <heck-to-the-gnom> Yes, take a look here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70IxjLEmomg
16:19:39 <heck-to-the-gnom> You can have multiple 'screens' within one layout
16:20:18 <heck-to-the-gnom> you can also, like this person does it, have it dynamically adjust itself depending on resolution. e.g switching from laptop to monitor screen
16:23:59 <Liskni_si> daphnis: https://github.com/xmonad/xmonad-contrib/blob/master/XMonad/Layout/LayoutScreens.hs or https://chipsenkbeil.com/notes/linux-virtual-monitors-with-xrandr/
16:24:49 <daphnis> thanks!
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17:02:45 <geekosaur> you could also use a layout like ThreeColumn
17:04:00 <heck-to-the-gnom> or sublayouts, with something like threecolumn
17:05:10 <daphnis> hm, it's the solarized guy
17:06:02 <geekosaur> LayoutCombinators lets you arbitrarily split the screen up horizontally or vertically
17:06:16 <daphnis> i'm using three columns now, but i was thinking of a really wide screen (50")
17:07:04 <daphnis> what is the thing called tabbed grouped layouts in the video?
17:11:16 <heck-to-the-gnom> https://hackage.haskell.org/package/xmonad-contrib-0.16/docs/XMonad-Layout-SubLayouts.html
17:11:16 <heck-to-the-gnom> and
17:11:16 <heck-to-the-gnom> https://hackage.haskell.org/package/xmonad-contrib-0.16/docs/XMonad-Layout-Tabbed.html
17:13:05 <daphnis> looks promising
17:18:43 <heck-to-the-gnom> It failed for me (weird artifacts), but that may be due to other modifiers I have
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18:24:19 <heck-to-the-gnom> geekosaur: Why hasn't a release been done in several years? `xmonad-contrib` is bustling w/ activity rn, or at least, in comparison to the niche-ness of a tiling wm, it's pretty active.
18:24:27 <geekosaur> it
18:24:45 <geekosaur> 's bustling with activity because we'd like t make a release in time for the next debian release freeze
18:26:01 <heck-to-the-gnom> Ah, 2 days
18:27:36 <geekosaur> sounds like we won't quite make it, or at least some changes won't
18:29:08 <heck-to-the-gnom> Sorry if I was a huge timesink to anyone working on that. I had no idea this was happening.
18:30:47 <geekosaur> no, I think we just tossed a few too many logs on the fire. (there's a redesign of the statusbar stuff going on, for instance, which probably won't make it)
18:31:30 <Liskni_si> are we really trying to make the release before the freeze?
18:31:30 <heck-to-the-gnom> You could always just go back a few commits for the release, couldn't you?
18:31:40 <Liskni_si> I've sort of given up on that tbh :-/
18:32:26 <geekosaur> Liskni_si, that was what started the whole rush. things like the above and peti kinda slowed the whole thing down, though
18:32:53 <Liskni_si> oh
18:33:16 <Liskni_si> I just thought it'd be nice to make it by then, but it was never a hard deadline to me
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18:33:50 <geekosaur> well, I don't know how hard it is. would be nice to have the version in debian not be ancient, bu then it is debian…
18:34:06 <Liskni_si> although yeah, if the peti incident hadn't happened, we could've had the core released by now
18:35:20 <Liskni_si> also, the peti incident led me to trying to contact debian maintainers and that went nowhere
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18:35:35 <Liskni_si> so caring about debian seems a bit futile at this point
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18:36:33 <Liskni_si> I should maybe ping nomeata as he's listed among the debian xmonad maintainers and we've had some very nice interactions in the arbtt project
18:36:36 <geekosaur> I think we could still release without the new statusbar stuff and a few other things that are pending, if we wanted to — but you're also right about no response from the debian maintainers
18:37:17 <Liskni_si> yeah, if we really wanted to release, that could definitely be done
18:37:50 <mc47> don't we have breaking changes that are fixed by 399?
18:38:02 <Liskni_si> but I'd really like to deal with the ewmh window activation and statusbar stuff before that
18:38:21 <Liskni_si> otherwise keeping compatibility will become way more painful than it already is
18:38:45 <Liskni_si> mc47: yeah we do, but some of that could be reverted for the release perhaps
18:39:46 <mc47> oh, right
18:39:51 <Liskni_si> heck-to-the-gnom: anyway your being a timesink has had no measurable impact on these things I'd say :-)
18:40:31 <Liskni_si> (not to encourage you to be more of a timesink, just to clarify the timescales we're talking about)
18:42:11 <heck-to-the-gnom> :)
18:43:10 <heck-to-the-gnom> Nah, I'll bother others with my time. I've gotten some nix things sorted out on my end, and the stuff we were discussing earlier should start working once I get a nix derivation made.
18:44:43 <geekosaur> actually you were somewhat helpful I'd say, in testing some of the new stuff
18:44:59 <geekosaur> and pointing out e.g. missed dependencies
18:45:30 <geekosaur> (although I'd also argue that if you're running git xmonad you should say so up front to avoid problems like the MaybeManageHook one)
18:46:21 <heck-to-the-gnom> I plan to get more involved with this project in the future. I'm still in the baby Haskell programmer stage, though.
18:46:46 <geekosaur> many of us started out as baby haskell programmers
18:46:54 <geekosaur> xmonad is still a gateway drug :)
18:47:08 <heck-to-the-gnom> I'm fine hittin' that :)
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18:49:42 <Liskni_si> good to hear you're planning to get more involved!
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18:58:05 <Solid> heck-to-the-gnom: I'm still a baby haskeller and I managed to contribute so you can too!
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19:00:54 <Solid> I'd like to see the status bar stuff in the new release already I have to say
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19:01:32 <Solid> and I don't _only_ say this because my rewrite of the tutorial is already like 75% done and uses property logging so far :P
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19:03:27 <heck-to-the-gnom> If I find myself with more freetime today & tomorrow, I'll see what I can assist w/
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19:14:32 <Solid> \o/
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20:03:05 <mc47> Solid can't wait to see that tutorial!
20:05:00 <Solid> I should probably at least make it compatible with xmonad 0.15 and contrib 0.16
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