Logs on 2021-03-23 (freenode/#xmonad)
| 00:12:15 | <heck-to-the-gnom> | yeah! Pretty snazzy |
| 00:12:31 | <heck-to-the-gnom> | I think that it could do with a dark mode, idk, might just be me |
| 00:13:49 | <heck-to-the-gnom> | (or moreover, I hate light themes, but I have an extension for that, so it's no big deal) |
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| 02:31:11 | <coldpress> | How do you deal with switching from light-theme apps to dark-theme apps? Sudden change is harsh on the eyes, no? |
| 02:52:18 | <Irishluck83> | i don't think so |
| 03:07:14 | <heck-to-the-gnom> | Close your eyes, that's what I do. I either have my brightness so low that it doesn't make a difference either way, or, I take a long blink :). Your eye expects light changes from going beneath an eyelid, and returning whence. That's what I do when I turn lights on after being in a dark room for a while. |
| 03:07:14 | <heck-to-the-gnom> | One could also make something that fades the visuals together, however, that might be impractical or ugly, and potentially confusing and/or annoying. |
| 03:08:59 | <heck-to-the-gnom> | But, given how us humans evolved, I don't think that sudden change is harsh upon our eyes, we literally have a portion of the eye dedicated to detecting such things better (peripheral vision). I could be wrong though, I've done 0 research. |
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| 07:01:04 | <IRC-safeguard> | hey guys, I made a xmonad telegram group, if you want to join here is the link: https://t.me/xmonadtelegramunofficial (sorry for the spam, but I kinda want the xmonad community to grow) |
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| 07:34:52 | <Solid> | that seems vaguely menacing |
| 07:35:24 | <IRC-safeguard> | no no haha, no one's forced to |
| 07:37:46 | <Solid> | aren't there ads now in telegram groups |
| 07:37:49 | <Solid> | I remember reading about this |
| 07:37:56 | <IRC-safeguard> | nope |
| 07:37:59 | <IRC-safeguard> | at least not in mine |
| 07:39:40 | <Solid> | ah I think it's still to-come then |
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| 07:39:49 | <IRC-safeguard> | hope not |
| 07:40:08 | <IRC-safeguard> | and even if that happens, in my group there will be no such thing. I believe in freedom and privacy |
| 07:40:37 | <Solid> | I don't think you can control that |
| 07:40:54 | <IRC-safeguard> | hope I can :/ |
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| 07:41:24 | <Solid> | https://www.techworm.net/2020/12/telegram-group-voice-chats-monetization.html |
| 07:41:27 | <Solid> | this is what I found just now |
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| 07:44:56 | <IRC-safeguard> | well |
| 07:44:59 | <IRC-safeguard> | shit |
| 07:45:12 | <IRC-safeguard> | anyway, if anyone's intrested you're free to join |
| 07:45:26 | <IRC-safeguard> | again, sorry for the spam but i'm trying to make the Xmonad community grow |
| 07:45:56 | <Solid> | I at least appreciate the effort :) |
| 07:46:04 | <IRC-safeguard> | thank :) |
| 07:47:43 | <IRC-safeguard> | I do believe that xmonad is the most powerful wm out there, but it comes at the cost of a high haskell knowledge |
| 07:48:10 | <Solid> | I've seen a lot of people use xmonad just fine without any haskell knowledge |
| 07:48:28 | <Solid> | thanks to the 300-ish contrib modules |
| 07:49:08 | <IRC-safeguard> | yeah, but for more complicated things like independent screens you need to know haskell and what you're doing |
| 07:49:27 | <IRC-safeguard> | that is why I'm currently using bspwm, because configuring independent screens on xmonad is kind of a pain |
| 07:49:36 | <IRC-safeguard> | also the trayer padding for xmobar |
| 07:49:38 | <Solid> | ah yes, for the hacky modules you may need to know a bit of haskell |
| 07:49:59 | <IRC-safeguard> | exactly |
| 07:50:09 | <IRC-safeguard> | also the xmobar thing |
| 07:50:31 | <Solid> | I think that's solved by a shell script in an obscure issue |
| 07:50:44 | <IRC-safeguard> | I tried it, but it doesn't work on me.. |
| 07:51:26 | <Solid> | weird, I've heard it works well for people |
| 07:51:40 | <Solid> | there's also an open pr right now to add something haskell-based to X.U.Hacks |
| 07:51:46 | <IRC-safeguard> | https://github.com/jaor/xmobar/issues/239#issuecomment-233206552 you're referring to this one right? |
| 07:51:46 | <Solid> | so maybe that'll become an option for the next release |
| 07:51:52 | <IRC-safeguard> | wdym? |
| 07:51:53 | <Solid> | yeah that one |
| 07:52:20 | <IRC-safeguard> | I tried, maybe it's cause i tried that on bspwm,but the tray would not appear |
| 07:52:31 | <Solid> | https://github.com/xmonad/xmonad-contrib/pull/490 |
| 07:52:39 | <Solid> | this is about stacking trayer on top of xmobar and keeping it there |
| 07:53:06 | <Solid> | so that'll probably be available with 0.17 |
| 07:53:15 | <IRC-safeguard> | cool! |
| 07:53:25 | <Solid> | we should probably mention that in the new tutorial |
| 07:53:37 | <IRC-safeguard> | then I need to only know how to make independent screens lol |
| 07:54:20 | <Solid> | or just try to get used to the default behaviour :D |
| 07:54:30 | <IRC-safeguard> | I just can't, tried for like 5 months |
| 07:54:44 | <IRC-safeguard> | when I switched to dwm it was like removing a splinter |
| 07:55:02 | <IRC-safeguard> | and when I switched to bspwm it was like ascending lol |
| 07:55:12 | <Solid> | lol |
| 07:55:22 | <IRC-safeguard> | because I keep moving between workspaces, the default behaviour breaks how I work |
| 07:56:04 | <IRC-safeguard> | but, I'm trying to learn how to independent screens so I can switch back to xmonad |
| 07:56:34 | <Solid> | I mean the basic setup should not be that hard |
| 07:56:44 | <IRC-safeguard> | the problem arises when I undock the laptop, I dunno if I can make it recognize that and make xmonad use only the laptop screen |
| 07:57:05 | <IRC-safeguard> | I tried, but couldn't make it work |
| 07:57:15 | <IRC-safeguard> | I have peanut brain |
| 08:00:47 | <Solid> | The undocking part sounds like an X11 thing, not xmonad related |
| 08:00:50 | <Solid> | unless I'm misunderstanding you |
| 08:01:15 | <IRC-safeguard> | let me give you context |
| 08:03:06 | <IRC-safeguard> | I have a docking station with two additional monitors; when I dock it i have a xrandr script that was generated by arandr, which makes the monitor not overlap and at max resolution, and side by side. that make bspwm have in total 30 workspaces. when I undock I run another script so X disabled the external monitors |
| 08:03:31 | <IRC-safeguard> | I basically want to have 27 workspaces with also xmonad when I'm undocked, but I just can't have make it work |
| 08:03:38 | <IRC-safeguard> | expecially the xmobar part |
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| 08:06:13 | <Solid> | the 27 screens thing sounds like you'd just need `workspaces = withScreens 3 (map show [1..9 :: Int])` no? |
| 08:06:22 | <Solid> | I will admit that I've never used IndependentScreens |
| 08:06:23 | <IRC-safeguard> | yeah |
| 08:06:50 | <IRC-safeguard> | i followed these two: |
| 08:06:52 | <IRC-safeguard> | https://github.com/xmonad/xmonad-contrib/pull/490 |
| 08:07:22 | <IRC-safeguard> | https://github.com/ivanbrennan/nixbox/blob/d5b54fe2c0b672273f053c31eaaee17c4b1e65e9/services/xserver/xmonad.hs |
| 08:09:05 | <Solid> | first link is probably not what you wanted to send ;) |
| 08:09:09 | <IRC-safeguard> | (my base configs are distrotube's config tweaked for my likings, I'm that lazy and without shame xD) |
| 08:09:13 | <Solid> | `countScreent` counts the number of screens when xmonad starts up |
| 08:09:25 | <Solid> | probably not what you want if you _always_ want 27 workspaces |
| 08:09:32 | <IRC-safeguard> | https://hackage.haskell.org/package/xmonad-contrib-0.16/docs/XMonad-Layout-IndependentScreens.html yeah |
| 08:09:38 | <IRC-safeguard> | damn clipman |
| 08:10:04 | <IRC-safeguard> | i don't always want 27 workspaces, just when i have the monitor plugged in |
| 08:11:01 | <Solid> | now I'm confused, you did say "I basically want to have 27 workspaces with also xmonad when I'm undocked" |
| 08:11:09 | <Solid> | undocked = only the laptop screens is active, no? |
| 08:11:14 | <IRC-safeguard> | exactly |
| 08:11:22 | <IRC-safeguard> | sorry if I expressed myself badly |
| 08:11:33 | <IRC-safeguard> | undocked = 9 workspaces, docked: 27 |
| 08:11:36 | <Solid> | ah |
| 08:12:43 | <Solid> | mh I guess you'd need to react to randr events somehow |
| 08:12:56 | <IRC-safeguard> | yeah |
| 08:13:35 | <Solid> | this is probably possible with the new X.H.RescreenHook |
| 08:13:46 | <IRC-safeguard> | because I when use 30 workspaces with bspwm i use xrandr |
| 08:13:49 | <IRC-safeguard> | lemme take a look |
| 08:13:54 | <Solid> | (not merged yet) |
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| 08:18:00 | <IRC-safeguard> | oh so it's not on the xmonad contrib page? |
| 08:18:16 | <Solid> | no not yet |
| 08:18:22 | <IRC-safeguard> | bummer |
| 08:18:35 | <Solid> | though it'll probably also land in the next release |
| 08:18:42 | <IRC-safeguard> | cool |
| 08:18:44 | <Solid> | (which we really should get around to doing) |
| 08:18:50 | <IRC-safeguard> | lol |
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| 08:42:46 | <Liskni_si> | Solid: note that my stacking hack does just that - stacking; it doesn't replace the bash script for leaving a horizontal gap |
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| 08:44:44 | <Liskni_si> | And this IndependentScreens stuff sounds more like a fundamental issue in IndependentScreens: how do you access the 1_* and 2_* workspaces if you only have the laptop screen (0_*)? You don't. |
| 08:46:07 | <Liskni_si> | You'll need some mechanism to dynamically rename workspaces on rescreen to make them available, and no such mechanism is there right now, AFAIK. |
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| 08:55:15 | <IRC-safeguard> | what did I miss? |
| 08:55:28 | <IRC-safeguard> | sorry but hexchat disconnected me |
| 09:05:29 | <mc47> | it's all logged here https://ircbrowse.tomsmeding.com/browse/xmonad?events_page=258 |
| 09:08:38 | <IRC-safeguard> | thank you, I don't know how to irc lol |
| 09:09:51 | <IRC-safeguard> | ok so, I don#t understand what Liskni_si said |
| 09:09:53 | <IRC-safeguard> | (sorry) |
| 09:18:13 | <yakamo> | i have a screen related question |
| 09:18:37 | <yakamo> | i am running arch linux(manjaro) and i have installed xmonad |
| 09:18:58 | <yakamo> | when i run for example OpenRA the game starts running but does not appear on the screen |
| 09:19:31 | <yakamo> | any thing i might have missed during installation? |
| 09:19:45 | <yakamo> | normally not an issue i had on debian |
| 09:24:45 | <mc47> | I have no idea what might be the problem, but do you have ewmh support? |
| 09:24:54 | <mc47> | https://hackage.haskell.org/package/xmonad-contrib-0.16/docs/XMonad-Hooks-EwmhDesktops.html |
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| 09:29:12 | <Liskni_si> | IRC-safeguard: most/all of it was meant for Solid, who might or might not translate it into something understandable; I'm on a phone, can't do better, sorry. |
| 09:29:32 | <IRC-safeguard> | oh my bad, sorry |
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| 09:47:42 | <yakamo> | mc47: thanks i will check in a while and see if that helps |
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| 10:27:27 | <Solid> | Liskni_si: I was thinking this was possible with #460 because we can run an arbitrary X action |
| 10:27:32 | <Solid> | it'll probably be work though yes |
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| 13:51:10 | <heck-to-the-gnom> | Does anyone know how I can chain gridselects? I mean, a gridselect for gridselects |
| 13:54:00 | heck-to-the-gnom | < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/KbxNjiUefJytmKucrtGSvpoq/message.txt > |
| 13:54:48 | <heck-to-the-gnom> | the first line is the call, out of context, but that's all that's necessary |
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| 15:31:03 | <Solid> | LayoutCombinator's (|||) would fit into the core quite nicely if it didn't stupidly export the data constructors for JumpTolayout :/ |
| 15:31:53 | <Solid> | Now we have to do the same in core, but we use `NextLayoutNoWrap` and `Wrap` in a different way there |
| 15:32:04 | <Solid> | so that'll most likely break if people did anything with that |
| 15:35:05 | <Solid> | I think that's acceptable-ish, because that sounds like reasonably advanced stuff |
| 15:35:15 | <Solid> | people who just use `JumpToLayout` will (should) be fine |
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| 15:51:36 | Liskni_si | is still a bit confused about what to do with xmonad core, but this sounds fairly non-controversial at this point |
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| 16:00:00 | <Solid> | It's a bit of a shame that we now also have to expose the JumpToLayout internals in the core (as opposed to something like jumpToLayout = JumpToLayout) |
| 16:00:14 | <Solid> | but I'd say it's an overall gain |
| 16:02:14 | <Liskni_si> | I'd feel a lot better about all this if we didn't have so much tech debt in versioning and depreciation process. ;-) |
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| 16:03:04 | <Solid> | The deprecation process here is actually relatively straightforward because we can just re-export things in X.L.LayoutCombinators |
| 16:03:19 | <Solid> | The only thing that'll break is usage of `NextLayoutNoWrap` and `Wrap` |
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| 16:04:22 | <Liskni_si> | I mean in general. |
| 16:05:05 | <Solid> | well yes |
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| 21:07:35 | <mc47> | Does anyone know if there's a youtube video for byorgey_'s talk? (https://byorgey.wordpress.com/2008/03/27/fringedc-talk/) |
| 21:07:59 | <mc47> | Or if you have any suggestions for videos to add to this page |
| 21:08:39 | mc47[m] | uploaded an image: (1146KiB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/pDPQQdJbIGMHalGrjgKEjari/image.png > |
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