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| 06:48:33 | <Solid> | ?tell fuzzypixelz most people will use xmobar or taffybar I think (or the bar that comes with their DE if they chose to use xmonad that way) but I don't see a reason _you_ shouldn't use polybar if you want to :) |
| 06:48:34 | <lambdabot> | Consider it noted. |
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| 08:40:40 | <mc47> | Does anyone have any opinions on https://github.com/xmonad/xmonad-contrib/pull/474? |
| 08:40:52 | <mc47> | (New layout modifier: XMonad.Layout.FixedAspectRatio) |
| 08:42:04 | <mc47> | Eithewe have a really simple code (state carried in the constructor), but aspect ratios are not preserved between layouts, or we have state and aspect ratios are preserved |
| 08:42:20 | <mc47> | both usecases are fine by me |
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| 08:53:45 | <Solid> | Both sound fine to me (but it's not like I would ever use this so...) |
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| 09:00:05 | <mc47> | If no one has an opinion I'll probably merge it some time in the future |
| 09:01:20 | <mc47> | Btw, I just discovered NamedActions, and I was wondering if someone did something like 'M-x' form emacs in xmonad |
| 09:07:42 | <Solid> | I don't know if anyone has done this with NamedActions, but there's a (now indecipherable) pr that aims to do that ( https://github.com/xmonad/xmonad-contrib/pull/129 ) |
| 09:11:17 | <Solid> | mh I also remember dminuoso doing something they called an M-x style binding for xmonad |
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| 09:19:14 | <mc47> | I doubt we'll get any feedback on #129 |
| 09:25:59 | <Solid> | yeah me too |
| 09:26:05 | <Solid> | the gh account does not even exist anymore |
| 09:34:07 | <deff> | Hi! I want to remap keys in particular application, is it possible? I played with XMonad.Actions.KeyRemap but can't make it work with firefox. Maybe I should write my own keys interceptor? |
| 09:35:06 | <deff> | ah, forgot to tell what I exactly want. I want to remap Ctrl+m to Enter and other emacs-style keybindigs in every application |
| 09:50:54 | <Liskni_si> | deff: it's possible to do this without involving xmonad, to some extent: https://askubuntu.com/questions/124815/how-do-i-enable-emacs-keybindings-in-apps-such-as-google-chrome/1280532#1280532 |
| 09:52:13 | <Liskni_si> | probably won't work in all apps out there, on the other hand having Ctrl-W delete word or close tab, depending on whether an input is focused, is quite nice (at least I appreciate it, as I got used to C-W closing a tab) |
| 09:56:07 | <deff> | thank you! I've tried this method and xkeysnail, but they don't work as good as I wish. The perfect working software is Karabiner on macos. I know that stumpwm has such ability https://stumpwm.github.io/git/stumpwm-git_2.html#Remapped-Keys |
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| 12:17:58 | <geekosaur> | remapping keys works if and only if the target program accepts synthetic events. firefox has been known to refuse such events, although I don't know if it still does |
| 12:19:05 | <geekosaur> | one worry is we don't actually keep bindings per window so keys which are stolen for one window only are actually stolen for all windows but mapped to either do nothing or re-paste themselves in other windows; this will be slower and may fail due to the synthetic events issue |
| 12:23:50 | <geekosaur> | X11 is not friendly to this kind of thing |
| 12:24:46 | <geekosaur> | (stumpwm may use a different mechanism to get its keys, which may relieve the second issue at the expense of making other issues worse) |
| 12:33:58 | <Solid> | seems like they're using synthetic events |
| 12:34:08 | <Solid> | https://github.com/stumpwm/stumpwm/blob/7f4ea715120c73c27f4892c5a96ece93f0faa1fe/remap-keys.lisp#L71 |
| 12:34:25 | <Solid> | calls send-fake-key ( https://github.com/stumpwm/stumpwm/blob/be183f40057aa0a4ea126a885c2bdbd8831c4d58/core.lisp#L43 ) |
| 12:37:16 | <geekosaur> | I said get, and I was referring more to the "we don't actually keep bindings per window" since we use global passive grabs |
| 12:37:39 | <Solid> | oh get |
| 12:37:42 | <geekosaur> | some window managers use other ways, e.g. passive grabs on the root window |
| 12:38:09 | <Solid> | yeah they're issuing a new grab for every focused window |
| 12:38:09 | <geekosaur> | it's a conmplex question, but my summary is still correct: X11 doesn't really want to do this kind of thing |
| 12:38:20 | <Solid> | *every time the focus changes |
| 12:38:30 | <geekosaur> | and while there are ways to do it they all have shortcomings. duplicating Karabiner is unlikely |
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| 13:39:45 | <deff> | thank you! I'll try stumpwm to see how remapping works with firefox |
| 13:41:56 | <deff> | do I need to go low-level to remap keys if their mechanism won't work? Or it's easier just to give up?) |
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| 13:50:43 | <heck-to-the-gnom> | You could create master keybinds that check which program is focused, and do an action based on that. I'm not sure if there's a way to do something w/ `xdotool` or similar to that doesn't ever cause infinite loops, using https://github.com/xmonad/xmonad-contrib/pull/213 may be of use here. |
| 13:50:52 | <heck-to-the-gnom> | For XMonad ^^ - not stumpwm |
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| 14:11:40 | <Liskni_si> | this "hardware tiling wm" is funny: https://twitter.com/NanoRaptor/status/1322722575303110656 |
| 14:12:34 | <heck-to-the-gnom> | That's hilarious |
| 14:16:12 | <Solid> | hahahaha |
| 14:16:15 | <Solid> | amazing |
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| 16:08:29 | <Liskni_si> | Solid: https://github.com/xmonad/xmonad/issues/282 seems like they just want a status bar but don't know that and don't know that there's xmonad-contrib and DynamicLog which makes it easy to get one |
| 16:08:39 | <Liskni_si> | geekosaur: ^ |
| 16:09:01 | <Liskni_si> | I'd reply directly there but I'm not sure what the best intro to status bars is these days |
| 16:10:07 | <geekosaur> | I did consider that but jwaldmann's not usually dumb. And I'm also not sure what we have in the way of a reasonable intro to statusbars, aside from pointing to the WIP website maybe? |
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| 16:44:31 | <Solid> | oh I must have misunderstood them then |
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| 16:47:03 | <Safeguard-IRC> | hey all |
| 16:47:39 | <Solid> | hi |
| 16:47:47 | <Safeguard-IRC> | how are you? |
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| 16:48:18 | Liskni_si | finally managed to unprocrastinate himself and is looking at one of the big PRs |
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| 16:50:30 | <Solid> | the ewmh one? |
| 16:50:58 | <Liskni_si> | dynamiclog |
| 16:51:10 | <Solid> | ah |
| 16:51:33 | <Solid> | btw, I think it would be cool to state what the big blockers for 0.17 are at this point (perhaps in the issue) |
| 16:51:54 | <Solid> | For me it's #399 and the DynamicLog thing, but perhaps other people have different priorities |
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| 16:52:46 | <Liskni_si> | same here |
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| 16:53:31 | <Liskni_si> | I'd like to get X11 released this week, and then I'm not entirely sure whether to dig into ewmh or try to clear the manpage/ci mess in xmonad. |
| 16:54:47 | <Safeguard-IRC> | what are we talking about exactly? |
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| 16:55:48 | <Solid> | ah, just new release nonsense :D |
| 16:55:53 | <Safeguard-IRC> | ah I see |
| 16:56:19 | <Safeguard-IRC> | I've been trying to get back onto xmonad all week but the way it handles workspaces breaks my workflow badly |
| 16:56:40 | <Safeguard-IRC> | so the least I can do is trying to bridge IRC and telegram and help other people out |
| 16:57:35 | <Liskni_si> | what was your workspace workflow before xmonad? |
| 16:57:54 | <Liskni_si> | would LinkWorkspaces or IndependentScreens help? |
| 16:58:06 | <Safeguard-IRC> | have 9/10 workspaces on each monitor wehen my laptop is docked, when undocked just nine |
| 16:58:23 | <Safeguard-IRC> | yeah IndependentScreen would work but i can't manage to make it work |
| 16:58:33 | <Liskni_si> | oh I remember now |
| 16:58:39 | <Safeguard-IRC> | yeah I'm that guy lol |
| 16:58:43 | <Safeguard-IRC> | the mentally challenged one /s |
| 16:58:52 | <Liskni_si> | you're the one who needs to switch between independent when docked and something else when undocked |
| 16:58:58 | <Safeguard-IRC> | exactly |
| 16:59:55 | <Liskni_si> | what WM do you have now and how exactly does it handle that? what happens with the workspaces that were independent on the external screen when you disconnect that screen? |
| 17:02:51 | <Safeguard-IRC> | ok so let me explain: when I am undocked, I just have my laptop screen, with 10 workspaces; when I dock it, I execute a xrandr script that position the screen like they should be (X overlaps them and puts them at low res), then I restart Bspwm and now I have 30 workspaces. when I undock, I execute a single monitor script, so the external monitors are no longer "avaiable" and restart bspwm, and i'm back to 10 workspaces. but |
| 17:02:51 | <Safeguard-IRC> | before undocking I usually need to move/close all windows that are not on the laptop monitor |
| 17:03:02 | <Safeguard-IRC> | tell me if I was clear or i miss something |
| 17:06:13 | <Liskni_si> | oh I see, so when you disconnect, nothing magically happens with the unavailable workspace, you need to manually move the windows before? |
| 17:06:20 | <Safeguard-IRC> | exactly |
| 17:08:17 | <Liskni_si> | such setup should be possible to replicate using IndependentScreens, and here's an idea to improve it perhaps: |
| 17:08:52 | <Liskni_si> | when disconnecting, have xmonad rename the workspaces in such a way to make them all accessible |
| 17:09:43 | <Safeguard-IRC> | how so? |
| 17:09:53 | <Safeguard-IRC> | which module should I look at? |
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| 17:10:06 | <Liskni_si> | well the second part will need some hacking :-) |
| 17:10:16 | <Safeguard-IRC> | that is what blocks me |
| 17:10:31 | <Safeguard-IRC> | becaue I tried, really hard, but could not make it to work |
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| 17:11:14 | <Safeguard-IRC> | I was beign helped on reddit, but at a certain point I said "screw it" because I didn't want to waste that poor guy's time |
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| 17:13:15 | <Liskni_si> | hm, it's going to be a bit tricky :-/ |
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| 17:13:24 | <Safeguard-IRC> | a bit? |
| 17:13:34 | <Liskni_si> | possible a dozen bits |
| 17:13:38 | <Solid> | Never trust Liskni_si when he says "a bit" :> |
| 17:13:39 | <Liskni_si> | *possibly |
| 17:14:12 | <Safeguard-IRC> | that guy linked me to his dotfiles, just look at the sheer monstrosity that he has to make just to make xmobar work properly with all of those workspaces: |
| 17:14:20 | <Safeguard-IRC> | https://github.com/ivanbrennan/nixbox/blob/d5b54fe2c0b672273f053c31eaaee17c4b1e65e9/services/xserver/xmonad.hs |
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| 17:15:37 | <Liskni_si> | good thing is we recently merged a PR that cuts about 20-30 lines of his monstrosity |
| 17:15:46 | <Safeguard-IRC> | ? |
| 17:15:46 | <Liskni_si> | *off |
| 17:16:12 | <Liskni_si> | composePP, getWorkspaceNames, etc. are unnecessary now |
| 17:16:18 | <Liskni_si> | unrelated to your troubles, unfortunately |
| 17:16:23 | <Safeguard-IRC> | really now? |
| 17:16:31 | <Safeguard-IRC> | well, they were part of the trouble, the whole thing was |
| 17:16:32 | <Solid> | s/now/in master/ |
| 17:16:42 | <Safeguard-IRC> | I'm gonna take a deeper look |
| 17:17:17 | <Liskni_si> | oh, well, if you were trying to make IndependentScreens work with Clickable, then yeah, that's considerably easier in current master |
| 17:17:37 | <Solid> | I mean the basic setup doesn't look that complicated |
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| 17:17:50 | <Solid> | it's just calling countScreens |
| 17:17:52 | <Liskni_si> | but the other part of actually dynamically changing the structure of independent workspaces from 3x10 to 1x30, that is still an unsolved problem |
| 17:18:00 | <Solid> | the xmobar part is a bit iffy |
| 17:18:23 | <Liskni_si> | Solid: I'd say ivan likes his code/config verbose |
| 17:18:39 | <Solid> | perhaps |
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| 17:19:01 | <Liskni_si> | I like my lines long, some people like their lines to be short and files to be long |
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| 17:20:02 | <geekosaur> | guess we'll be finding out how much of the channel is actually here and not just forgetfully hanging on :) |
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| 17:20:09 | <Safeguard-IRC> | well, changing from 3x10 to 1x10 dinamically can come afterwards, my main priority is having 3x10 workspaces |
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| 17:21:47 | <geekosaur> | that's just IndependentScreens. and if that can be made conditional on multiple screens then the problem might solve itself through the other screens' workspaces being available "flattened" when IndependentScreens isn't active. although I think it's not quite that easy :/ |
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| 17:25:05 | <Safeguard-IRC> | I recall also beign something with dynamicBarStartup |
| 17:26:51 | <Solid> | Safeguard-IRC: what happens if you just do `withScreens 3 myWorkspaces` and then disconnect the two extra monitors? |
| 17:26:53 | <Solid> | I wonder |
| 17:27:10 | <Safeguard-IRC> | let me try |
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| 17:30:02 | <Safeguard-IRC> | ah at the moment I can't do it, because I'm compiling gcc |
| 17:30:08 | <Safeguard-IRC> | but iirc nothing happens |
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| 17:35:53 | <Solid> | well the point is what happens to these other workspaces |
| 17:36:00 | <Solid> | are they simply inaccessible? |
| 17:36:05 | <Safeguard-IRC> | Think so |
| 17:36:22 | <Solid> | so this would be the same 3x10 -> 1x10 mapping that you described earlier? |
| 17:36:24 | <geekosaur> | the special keybindings IndependentScreens uses are dependent on the screen records existing |
| 17:36:45 | <Safeguard-IRC> | Solid yeah |
| 17:36:55 | <Safeguard-IRC> | wait how does this work |
| 17:37:03 | <geekosaur> | and would need to be refigured to not marshal or use the focused screen in marshaling |
| 17:37:04 | <Safeguard-IRC> | I can't irc lol |
| 17:38:02 | <Safeguard-IRC> | if I recall correctly the other two screens are simply inaccessible, windows still exist there and I can put focus on them |
| 17:38:21 | <geekosaur> | right |
| 17:38:31 | <Solid> | this sounds like the bspwm setup you described earlier |
| 17:38:38 | <Safeguard-IRC> | yes |
| 17:38:38 | <Solid> | or am i missing something |
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| 17:38:53 | <Safeguard-IRC> | no no, it's the same deal |
| 17:38:57 | <geekosaur> | the special keybinds used by IndependentScreens would have to be modified to not apply with only one screen, so the whole thing would be flattened |
| 17:39:27 | <Liskni_si> | geekosaur: that's one option, the other would be to change workspaces in XConfig and rename all workspaces in the StackSet to be 0_ |
| 17:39:40 | <Liskni_si> | not sure which is easier to implement :-/ |
| 17:39:41 | <geekosaur> | yes |
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| 17:40:26 | <geekosaur> | the thing about mine is it'd be best implemented as part of IndependentScreens, which would effectively disable itself with only one screen |
| 17:40:42 | <geekosaur> | since it can't do anything useful in that situation anyway |
| 17:41:42 | <geekosaur> | (if someone really wants IndependentScreens with only one screen, they'd have to use LayoutScreens anyway |
| 17:41:45 | <geekosaur> | ) |
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| 17:42:31 | <Solid> | net splits on freenode |
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| 17:42:46 | <geekosaur> | this would also make it usable with the case where someone starts with only one screen connected but then docks later |
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| 17:42:59 | <geekosaur> | Solid, they're doing rolling restarts because of an OpenSSL CVE |
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| 17:43:04 | <Solid> | oh |
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| 17:43:13 | <geekosaur> | I just updated locally as well |
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| 18:18:38 | <Solid> | oh we're in haskell weekly's call for participation |
| 18:18:40 | <Solid> | neat :) |
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| 18:39:04 | <geekosaur> | hm, down from 146ish. more persistent users than I thought :) |
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| 18:49:29 | <Solid> | let's see if we get any new contributors this way |
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| 18:49:43 | <Solid> | fingers crossed |
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