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| 04:10:49 | <psibi[m]> | mc47: Please go ahead and deploy. We can always change/iterate on that. |
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| 07:21:08 | <Solid> | +1 |
| 07:21:20 | <Solid> | this also gives us more time to properly update it before the release :) |
| 07:27:14 | <Liskni_si> | yeah, I wanted to have a look but I'm just tired of everything so go ahead :-) |
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| 10:02:55 | <mc47> | alright, it's live :D |
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| 10:13:53 | <Solid> | hype! |
| 10:17:48 | <Liskni_si> | it is indeed! thanks for taking the initiative :-) |
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| 10:22:19 | <Dr_Jazz> | sorry - what is live? |
| 10:23:31 | <mc47> | this --> https://xmonad.org/ |
| 10:25:12 | <Dr_Jazz> | oh |
| 10:25:27 | <Dr_Jazz> | nice! |
| 10:26:02 | <Solid> | now we just nede to update the information on it :P |
| 10:29:03 | <Dr_Jazz> | well more up-to-date screenshots would likely make it a bit more appelaing |
| 10:29:39 | <Solid> | most of these are pretty new actually |
| 10:29:44 | <mc47> | 3 out of the 6 screenshots are as fresh as it gets :P |
| 10:31:59 | <crab> | Liskni_si: did that window-raising problem get fixed, btw? |
| 10:33:27 | <crab> | apparently not |
| 10:34:42 | <Dr_Jazz> | you quickly get to wiki.haskell.org with screenshots from 2007 and 2008. and it shouldnt matter, but I think it does. |
| 10:35:07 | <Solid> | well that's just the xmonad wiki being the xmonad wiki |
| 10:35:22 | <Solid> | the long-term plan is to migrate the most important things to the website, yes |
| 10:35:24 | <Dr_Jazz> | but thats neither here nor there. nice the website is refreshed |
| 10:35:32 | <Solid> | help wanted :> |
| 10:35:37 | <Dr_Jazz> | nice that the even :) |
| 10:36:11 | <byorgey> | =D |
| 10:37:14 | <Dr_Jazz> | yeah, its not that I would not like to help. but more that i am allready overloaded as it is, so I will just keep my trap shut :) |
| 10:53:08 | <Liskni_si> | crab: remind me which one |
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| 12:15:12 | <crab> | i think it's https://github.com/xmonad/xmonad-contrib/issues/396 about ewmh window activation (but i see now it's still open) |
| 12:16:58 | <Liskni_si> | oh that one |
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| 15:54:46 | <lampilelo> | how can I force mpv to open a new window in the workspace it was called from, regardless of the workspace I'm currently in? let's say i run "mpv https://path.to/file.mp4" in one workspace and switch to another one before the url is resolved and the window appears |
| 15:55:59 | <geekosaur> | you can't in the general case because workspaces only exist within the window manager and apps aren't aware of them |
| 15:57:00 | <geekosaur> | in certain specific circumstances there are tricks that can work, but commanding a running backend to open a new window can't ever work because the app doesn;'t know it has to somehow determine the current workspace and put the window there, or even how to go about that\ |
| 15:57:49 | <lampilelo> | hmm, makes sense unfortunately |
| 16:03:06 | <geekosaur> | (for an app just being started that obeys EWMH there is XMonad.Actions.SpawnOn.spawnHere, but it will only work for the first window spawned and that only if it's not backend/factory-based or the backend doesn't fork itself) |
| 16:09:03 | <lampilelo> | can't i put something to manageHook that would check if the new window belongs to a process that has other windows in a certain workspace? mpv is a subprocess of a shell which in turn is a subprocess of my terminal emulator |
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| 16:27:54 | <geekosaur> | X11 does not know "subprocess". or even "process" except via EWMH properties, and even that is iffy |
| 16:28:10 | <geekosaur> | your terminal, for example, is completely unknown to X11 |
| 16:28:26 | <geekosaur> | including that it does not know that a window is "hosting" it |
| 16:35:43 | <lampilelo> | ok, so it's iffy but if it sets the ewmh pid property (and it seems my terminal emulator does) it's possible |
| 16:40:05 | <geekosaur> | "possible" but possibly expensive. and don't spread windows across workspaces (including monitors) or you'll confuse it |
| 16:44:51 | <lampilelo> | what do you mean by spreading windows across workspaces? |
| 16:52:06 | <geekosaur> | don't have some mpv windows in one workspace and some in another, or it won't know which to use. the single backend will have windows open on both. and I'm not sure you can check what workspace a window is on, only change it, hm |
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| 17:03:51 | <lampilelo> | idk, i don't think i'm motivated enough to try and implement this myself either way |
| 17:05:40 | <geekosaur> | one sting in that tail (sorry, I'm kinda busy this week and not always able to attend to the computer) is different monitors means different workspaces in xmonad. which breaks the few programs that are aware of workspaces because EWMH assumes they span monitors instead |
| 17:16:28 | <lampilelo> | interesting |
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