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| 03:23:04 | <heatwave> | Hi! I'm trying to set a rule for weechat using title =? "weechat", but it's not working. I see people passing a -title to their terminal to change the default title, but is there anyway to get 'weechat' recognized? I'm using Kitty terminal and also tried title =? "weechat-curses". |
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| 03:26:32 | <heatwave> | going to try "Weechat" now, tho xprop says weechat |
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| 04:49:16 | <heck-to-the-gnom> | ?tell heatwave `man kitty` that's your solution, figure out how kitty passes a title onward, if it's in your loghook, then the title needs to be set immediately, and therefore `-title` or whatever it is on kitty, will fix this. |
| 04:49:16 | <lambdabot> | Consider it noted. |
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| 07:18:12 | <carloratm> | Hi all, I am coming from almost 10 years of windowmaker and I'd like to give it a try with an automatic tiling wm. I have a few preliminary questions before even trying... |
| 07:19:12 | <carloratm> | does fullscreen work? As in F11 in firefox and fullscreen youtube videos |
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| 07:22:55 | <heatwave> | carloratm: yes, it's in-built an quite easy to setup |
| 07:23:43 | <carloratm> | nice. And what about fullscreen sdl games? |
| 07:25:45 | <heatwave> | havent tried any, but all you need is 'WM_CLASS' or 'WM_NAME' of any window, and you can set a rule for it. 'xprop' will be your best tool for getting these names |
| 07:27:10 | <carloratm> | so IIUC I could say "please always set the win matching this <WM_NAME> fullscreen?" |
| 07:33:07 | <Solid> | yes |
| 07:33:42 | <Solid> | Fullscreening some applications may require EWMH, which xmonad does not support ootb (there is a module for it though and it's very easy to add) |
| 07:34:31 | <carloratm> | ok, will give it a try then, thank you |
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| 07:45:39 | <heatwave> | yes, EWMH setup was like 2 lines and the new tutorial is pretty sweet! EWMH also fixes picom-blur/opacity if used. |
| 07:46:21 | <carloratm> | With the new tutorial you mean this one? https://xmonad.org/tour.html |
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| 08:30:28 | <Solid> | carloratm: no, this one: https://github.com/xmonad/xmonad/blob/7d43128753f3a9a8128346034997e4c0b456058d/tutorial.md |
| 08:32:03 | <Solid> | it's a WIP but lots of people have already found it to be quite helpful (feedback always welcome: https://github.com/xmonad/xmonad/pull/278 ) |
| 08:53:07 | <carloratm> | Solid: ah nice thank you |
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| 10:22:19 | tpakkila | is now known as tubep |
| 10:22:47 | <tubep> | hi guys. i think i am too stupid. i've searched and googled and i can't find the command to send window to next or other screen |
| 10:23:00 | <tubep> | i just want to bind mod+shift+comma to do that |
| 10:23:26 | <tubep> | is there a simple list of every action on xmonad somewhere |
| 10:23:33 | <tubep> | couldn't find that either, probably my own fault though |
| 10:24:03 | <mc47[m]> | There isn't, mainly because xmomad-contrib is huge |
| 10:24:39 | <mc47[m]> | So you basically want an action that sends the window to the inactive screen? |
| 10:24:40 | <tubep> | okay, i just installed xmonad yesterday and got it running, there are a few default binds i want to replace though |
| 10:24:44 | <tubep> | yes |
| 10:25:56 | <mc47[m]> | Well you could just send it to a specific screen |
| 10:26:18 | <mc47[m]> | Forgot what were the default keybindings though and I don't have a pc right now |
| 10:26:25 | <tubep> | that would do it too |
| 10:26:32 | <tubep> | like comma to send it to screen 0 and perioid to screen 1 |
| 10:26:54 | <tubep> | or is it period ? perioid might have something to do with women ? |
| 10:26:56 | <mc47[m]> | For keybindings, checkout EZConfig |
| 10:27:01 | <tubep> | i'm not native english speaker |
| 10:27:08 | <mc47[m]> | Both are period |
| 10:27:13 | <tubep> | okay :D |
| 10:27:45 | <mc47[m]> | (AFAIK at least, English isn't my first language either) |
| 10:31:12 | <tubep> | i've got a working config with other binds okay, just can't find the one to send windows to other monitor |
| 10:31:21 | <tubep> | well, the command to bind |
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| 11:21:25 | <Solid> | tubep: something like http://ix.io/37Nj should work |
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| 12:25:26 | <heatwave> | tubep: did you figure the keybinds out? I also started yesterday so been there |
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| 13:39:58 | <carloratm> | I have no idea what is stack/cabal. I am on arch linux and I see you recommend using those tools to install xmonad. May someone help me understand the reasoning? I don't know any Haskell... |
| 13:44:31 | <Liskni_si> | carloratm: it's like pip, npm, cargo, mix, or whatever other language-specific crap build tool you might know |
| 13:45:10 | <Liskni_si> | carloratm: it's going to make your life miserable, but not using a tool like that will make your life orders of magnitude more miserable, so you better use it |
| 13:45:36 | <carloratm> | fair enough |
| 13:45:47 | <Liskni_si> | on the other hand on Arch you may want to try using pacman first |
| 13:46:00 | <Liskni_si> | which will also make your life miserable, no doubt, but it may be easier at first :-) |
| 13:46:34 | <Liskni_si> | I've heard there are xmonad-git and xmonad-contrib-git packages in there so you can run the latest/greatest without too much hassle |
| 13:50:24 | <carloratm> | I am tempted to go the stack way though, I am already managing python, javascript and elixir packages with asdf + {pip,npm,mix}. It's a pain I am quite used to |
| 13:51:18 | <geekosaur> | arch's haskell packaging has problems, though |
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| 14:30:53 | <Solid> | Liskni_si: I think Arch's Haskell packaging is fundamentally broken |
| 14:31:21 | <Solid> | which is why I recommend Arch users to look into stack/cabal in the tutorial |
| 14:31:31 | <carloratm> | getting this error from stack: https://dpaste.com/E4FNGUYUW |
| 14:31:37 | <Liskni_si> | Solid: I never said it wasn't |
| 14:32:00 | <carloratm> | may I try the versions suggested by the error? |
| 14:32:28 | <Solid> | carloratm: the new tutorial comes with a guide for stack: https://github.com/xmonad/xmonad/blob/7d43128753f3a9a8128346034997e4c0b456058d/INSTALL.md |
| 14:33:00 | <carloratm> | I am following that |
| 14:33:52 | <carloratm> | the `stack install` step presents me the error and no executable is generated in ~/.local/bin |
| 14:36:51 | <Solid> | huh curious |
| 14:37:29 | <carloratm> | should I try downgrading ghc to the version suggested? |
| 14:38:49 | <tubep> | Solid: thanks, i'll try to get that working |
| 14:39:00 | <geekosaur> | I would, 9.0.1 is not widely supported as yet |
| 14:39:21 | <geekosaur> | (and yet they're pushing 9.2 out the door when nobody's adopted 9.0 yet…) |
| 14:39:37 | <tubep> | Solid: my keys are bind differently but i'll try to figure it out |
| 14:39:55 | <tubep> | atleast that won't work copied directly to mykeys |
| 14:43:57 | <Liskni_si> | carloratm: what you're getting looks like a locale problem |
| 14:44:26 | <Liskni_si> | we've seen that a couple times, arch users tend to not have libc locale set up properly |
| 14:44:44 | <Liskni_si> | (every other distro does it on its own, but arch has to be "special") |
| 14:45:12 | <Liskni_si> | https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/locale or something. |
| 14:45:30 | <Solid> | tubep: if you're using EZConfig then try something like this (not tested): http://ix.io/38lh |
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| 15:01:06 | <tubep> | Solid: getting there, it works, and the windows switch screens, now the only problem is switching focus to other screen which was binded to just mod+, and mod+. are not working anymore |
| 15:02:23 | <carloratm> | Using 8.10.4 the build works |
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| 15:27:00 | <tubep> | Solid: I got it working |
| 15:27:08 | <tubep> | thank you for your help |
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| 16:02:41 | <Solid> | \o/ |
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| 16:12:06 | <geekosaur> | huh. didn't realize the old accessors e.g. getXMonadDir had been deprecated. there's something to be said for hiding the implementation; consider that not doing so is why it's more or less impossile to port xmonad even to xcb much less wayland |
| 16:17:43 | <Solid> | I suppose we could not export that field in XConf and undeprecate those functions but I'm not sure that'd gain us much |
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| 16:19:53 | <Solid> | then again you're right that it is an implementation detail and if one has the choice of exporting that vs. not we should probably "do the right thing" |
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| 17:02:51 | <kajzer> | I can't have Firefox to go fullscreen, is there any fix for that ? It's just Firefox with that problem btw |
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| 17:45:43 | <heck-to-the-gnom> | By fullscreen you mean F11 while on the window, right? You have to have the log hook for it to automatically go fullscreen. However, until a later release (or the git version) the WM technically doesn't broadcast it's fullscreen support, so some applications may read that and not try to. |
| 17:49:11 | <kajzer> | heck-to-the-gnom: that too, but mainly any kind of video playing and pressing fullscreen button on the player, like youtube etc. |
| 17:51:14 | <heck-to-the-gnom> | https://hackage.haskell.org/package/xmonad-contrib-0.16/docs/XMonad-Hooks-EwmhDesktops.html#v:fullscreenEventHook |
| 17:51:32 | <kajzer> | yeah i have that, like I said it's just firefox |
| 17:51:44 | <kajzer> | doesn't apply for some reason in it |
| 17:51:50 | <heck-to-the-gnom> | This, in addition to the minor change in the git version (not sure where exactly that is). It should work |
| 17:51:53 | <burp> | I've got a fullscreen hook, I'm not sure if that actually does what you want |
| 17:51:54 | <heck-to-the-gnom> | Try the git version then |
| 17:52:12 | <burp> | , isFullscreen --> (doF W.focusDown <+> doFullFloat |
| 17:52:35 | <geekosaur> | I think firefox really wants the hook that advertises EWMH fullscreen support |
| 17:53:07 | <heck-to-the-gnom> | Yeah, and iirc liskin added that in 0.16. |
| 17:53:25 | <burp> | I'm on 0.15 and I have no issues with firefox fullscreen |
| 17:53:30 | <kajzer> | it's not a big deal, was just wondering, i googled and there were some solutions years ago but that doesn't work anymore |
| 17:54:11 | <heck-to-the-gnom> | <burp "I'm on 0.15 and I have no issues"> Does going fullscreen in the application actually do `fullfloat` though? |
| 17:54:46 | <burp> | I've never really investigated nor thought about it, since it just works :D |
| 17:54:58 | <burp> | that is, with my config |
| 17:55:20 | <heck-to-the-gnom> | I'm able to activate fullscreen, but it doesn't actually take up my full screen, I like that, as I have separate keybind to do that. |
| 17:55:34 | <burp> | ah, but I also have "XMonad.Hooks.EwmhDesktops.fullscreenEventHook" added |
| 17:55:35 | <heck-to-the-gnom> | it just hides some UI elements on the program |
| 17:55:59 | <kajzer> | yeah that's not a 'real' fullscreen |
| 17:56:06 | <heck-to-the-gnom> | That's what I added, and some applications are able to activate it, but some, like FF, won't try unless it's advertised. |
| 17:56:28 | <burp> | by default it doesn't hide my xmobar, but I've also got a fullscreen layout, where it's *really* fullscreen |
| 17:57:50 | <kajzer> | I might try git and ewmhFullscreen |
| 17:58:16 | <burp> | myLayout = layoutHints $ otherstuff ||| noBorders (fullscreenFull Full) |
| 17:58:51 | <Solid> | ewmhFullscreen should fix this yes |
| 17:59:12 | <kajzer> | yeah, was reading bout it |
| 17:59:23 | <kajzer> | on 0.15 currently |
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| 18:01:23 | <burp> | that should be enough |
| 18:01:45 | <burp> | so handleEventHook = otherstuff <+> XMonad.Hooks.EwmhDesktops.fullscreenEventHook |
| 18:04:55 | <kajzer> | burp: i have exactly that and it doesn't work |
| 18:05:18 | <kajzer> | i dont want to hide ui , change layout, it shoud be auto |
| 18:06:07 | <kajzer> | should* |
| 18:13:34 | <burp> | oh ok, you're not at a fullscreen layout and want it to work |
| 18:18:51 | <kajzer> | yeah, other apps that go fullscreen are working fine like that |
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