Logs on 2021-04-28 (freenode/#xmonad)
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| 00:08:50 | <mc47> | I didn't watch the whole thing, but if you spawn the pipe without writing to it, it won't work |
| 00:09:45 | <mc47> | I really hope people stop facing these problems once we release 0.17 and they actually stop doing the plumbing themselves |
| 00:10:49 | <mc47> | I'll probably open a PR on dt's gitlab so he changes his config to the new interface, a *lot* of people use his config |
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| 05:07:15 | <Solid> | heatwave: it's time for me to shill the new tutorial again isn't it :P |
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| 05:08:42 | <heatwave> | haha the newer tutorial is a BLESS! I think he just did not get to that |
| 05:08:54 | <Solid> | he probably doesn't know that it exists |
| 05:08:59 | <heatwave> | It's not been merged in yet, has it been? |
| 05:09:03 | <Solid> | not yet no |
| 05:09:09 | <heatwave> | Yep, that's what im thinking. |
| 05:09:49 | <heatwave> | It helped me get my Xmobar setup all nice, im sure it would for others too |
| 05:09:55 | <Solid> | mc47[m]: I once tracked a problem loads and loads of people were having (not doing anything with the pipe ding ding ding) down to some youtube video that made exactly that error but didn't test the config in that state :/ |
| 05:10:17 | <Solid> | there's a lot of old docs that people will still inexplicably use (I saw people use the 0.8 darcs template at one point!) |
| 05:10:31 | <heatwave> | Solid: got trapeed in the very same piping tutorial when I raised the question on Reddit |
| 05:10:41 | <Solid> | hah |
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| 05:17:21 | <heatwave> | Could we have a link to the WIP PR on the official guides? |
| 05:19:40 | <heatwave> | That's the first place most of us would go to |
| 05:20:14 | <Solid> | Which official guides are you referring to? |
| 05:20:54 | <heatwave> | https://xmonad.org/documentation.html |
| 05:22:30 | <Solid> | ah |
| 05:22:45 | <Solid> | yes it's planned to add the tutorial there once it's merged |
| 05:22:53 | <Solid> | but I'm wondering how many people visit the website anyways |
| 05:23:12 | <heatwave> | oh really? I would expect almost every new user? :p |
| 05:24:07 | <Solid> | I think people don't like to read nowadays :> |
| 05:24:30 | <Solid> | at least that's the feeling I get from answering the same two questions on reddit all the time |
| 05:27:20 | <heatwave> | okay I do see that. I feel a strong documentation would help us point more people to it, while we could add some community made videos/reddit posts |
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| 05:32:28 | <Solid> | that's a nice way to tell us to get off our asses and release 0.17 already :P |
| 05:33:36 | <Solid> | though I also think that people don't read other reddit posts at all |
| 05:34:08 | <Solid> | as evidenced by the same question being asked multiple times even though one is already solved on the same page |
| 05:34:26 | <Solid> | and no-one knowing of the existence of the tutorial until I shill it in _their_ thread |
| 05:34:31 | <Solid> | even though it's in a sticky |
| 05:35:02 | <Solid> | maybe I'm being too pessimistic |
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| 08:37:53 | <Liskni_si> | Seems to me that these problems are related to our "user acquisition channels". |
| 08:39:01 | <Liskni_si> | If most new users are bored kids who found out about xmonad from YouTube, no wonder they don't know how to find and use the documentation. |
| 08:40:24 | <Liskni_si> | Especially if said documentation is actually hard to find outside of reddit. |
| 08:41:10 | <Liskni_si> | Once everything is where it's meant to be, we can start saying RTFM a not feel bad about it. :-) |
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| 08:41:30 | <Liskni_si> | *and |
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| 08:41:51 | <Solid> | :) |
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| 08:58:06 | <oogeek> | Solid: Liskni_si: Is it possible to also include the link to tutorial in the man page. I know that when xmonad and xmonad-contrib are packaged by people from different distro, it would be nice to include it and put it at the top. |
| 09:00:20 | <oogeek> | Also I found out that the desktop file from Arch Linux can be useful for your tutorial's Display Manager part. |
| 09:00:29 | <oogeek> | I have put it in a comment. |
| 09:00:42 | <oogeek> | can be -> might be |
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| 16:17:20 | <mc47> | Did someone here successfully use FontAwesome inside the prompt? |
| 16:19:59 | <Solid> | that sounds quite difficult |
| 16:20:09 | <mc47> | I basically have font = "xft:Source Code Pro:size=11:regular:antialias=true,FontAwesome:pixelsize=13", which works in xmobar just fine |
| 16:20:18 | <Solid> | X.Prompt doesn't support font fallback |
| 16:20:27 | <mc47> | with the prompt, it just changes the pixelsize |
| 16:21:04 | <mc47> | X.Prompt looks like a monster that I don't want to deal with right now |
| 16:21:13 | <Solid> | yes |
| 16:21:21 | <Solid> | that is a very correct assessment :D |
| 16:21:44 | mc47 | sighs |
| 16:22:02 | <Solid> | reminds me that I need to coax one of you into reviewing #525 :> |
| 16:23:12 | <mc47> | I tried looking over it a couple of days ago, but I know very little about that part of the code |
| 16:23:34 | <mc47> | I'll gladly give it another look, but I'm not sure how important is my opinion :D |
| 16:25:27 | <Solid> | hey, you make up between 20 and 25% of the active maintainers :> |
| 16:25:43 | <mc47> | hahaha |
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| 16:40:09 | <mc47> | And after two hours of playing with different "dynamic projects", I can't find one that quite works |
| 16:40:56 | <mc47> | is there something like TopicSpace, but that also works with multiple screens? |
| 16:54:55 | <mc47> | WorkspaceGroups is cool but not quite there yet... Maybe a new TopicSpaceGroups? Does anyone have something similar? |
| 17:03:02 | <Solid> | mh what part of TopicSpace does not work with multiple screens? |
| 17:06:58 | <mc47> | Basically I want to launch a "topic" (or a group of topics) on two screens |
| 17:07:59 | <mc47> | so for example an xmonad "topic group" where it opens the editor on my main screen, and opens the docs and a terminal on my second screen |
| 17:09:09 | <mc47> | I might just hack something together where the topic action changes to the second monitor, opens the second topic, and the action of second topic goes back to the first screen |
| 17:16:06 | <Solid> | ah I see |
| 17:16:45 | <Solid> | mh that sounds non-trivial to get into TopicSpace in a backwards compatible way :/ |
| 17:18:21 | <mc47> | Yeah, if anything it would be another module |
| 17:24:54 | <Solid> | Sounds kinda cool though, you would have at least one other user :P |
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