Logs on 2021-05-11 (freenode/#xmonad)
| 00:08:47 | <geekosaur> | yep, arandr it is |
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| 01:55:09 | <electr0n> | you can save your config from arandr as a shell script and just invoke that in your xmonad startup hook. |
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| 07:12:06 | Liskni_si | is seriously considering no being nice in any more in #542 |
| 07:12:43 | <Liskni_si> | *not |
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| 07:13:33 | <Liskni_si> | What a load of crap. :-/ |
| 07:26:28 | <Solid> | it's certainly not a very catchy commit message :P |
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| 08:20:00 | <Solid> | Liskni_si: the fix for that will likely take a little longer; I just found out why it was implemented the way it was in the first place :P |
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| 08:21:13 | <Liskni_si> | Solid: oh |
| 08:21:19 | <Liskni_si> | do elaborate |
| 08:21:50 | <Solid> | there's a line in the docs that I didn't notice before: "The recency of workspaces previewed while browsing to the target workspace is not affected." |
| 08:22:27 | <Solid> | This obviously breaks completely when using view instead of a brand new WindowSet |
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| 08:23:01 | <Liskni_si> | I see |
| 08:24:34 | <Liskni_si> | ("brand new windowset" isn't very accurate though, it's still comes from the view called in recentWS, so it's more of an "old windowset" problem rather than "new") |
| 08:25:05 | <Solid> | good point |
| 08:26:15 | <Liskni_si> | a hacky way to fix this would be to remember the order of workspace tags in current/visible/hidden at the start of cycleWindowSets and restore that before doing view |
| 08:26:27 | <Liskni_si> | and I'm not entirely sure if there's anything less hacky :-) |
| 08:26:53 | <Solid> | probably not :) |
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| 09:40:56 | <electr0n> | hmm strange, after changing the name for my workspace, it added a whole new one on top of the NSP added for the scratchpad. wtf. |
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| 09:45:07 | <Solid> | xmonad needs to be restarted (as in, M-S-q restarted) for some things to work properly; switching out your workspaces is one of them |
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| 13:20:04 | <Solid> | Liskni_si: well it works, but it's also O(n^2) :/ |
| 13:21:35 | <Liskni_si> | Solid: O(n²) outside of the critical path (redoLayout, logHook, that kind of stuff) is absolutely fine |
| 13:22:10 | <Liskni_si> | Also, 10² = 100. |
| 13:33:03 | <Solid> | well, a lot of people have more than 10 workspaces |
| 13:33:18 | <Solid> | but you're probably right, I just tested this with 250 workspaces and things seemed fine |
| 13:33:30 | <Solid> | unlikely a lot of people will have more than this :P |
| 13:33:55 | <Liskni_si> | :-D |
| 13:37:42 | <dminuoso> | I cant handle more than 4. |
| 13:41:13 | <Liskni_si> | It shouldn't be difficult to make it O(n ⋅ log n) or something by using Data.Map, but we've established some time ago that it's not actually faster until n > 20-ish or something |
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| 13:47:42 | <Solid> | Yeah the main pain point is the fact that find is O(n) |
| 13:48:06 | <Solid> | just converting it to a set and then using Set.find should make it n log n |
| 13:48:40 | <Solid> | I don't know how many people have more than 20 workspaces tbh; maybe it's still worth it |
| 13:49:35 | <Liskni_si> | It really is not worth it |
| 13:50:33 | <Liskni_si> | We're talking about a couple microsecond difference a dozen times a day for maybe 5 users maximum. |
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| 15:51:49 | <heck-to-the-gnom> | I've 12 workspaces, and I'm having difficulty using them all |
| 15:52:34 | <geekosaur> | I have 13 but I rarely use more than 6 |
| 15:53:29 | <geekosaur> | but I've seen a number of configs that use 20 (usually mod-{1-0} and mod-{F1-F10}) |
| 15:53:40 | <geekosaur> | and at least one that also used higher fkeys |
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| 15:55:08 | <heck-to-the-gnom> | probably has a custom board for that |
| 15:55:16 | <geekosaur> | note also that configs using X.A.Plane typically use lots of workspaces |
| 15:57:43 | <Liskni_si> | just now I have 6 workspaces with some windows in them, and I don't consider that a lot, quite the opposite, mostly just some old work-in-progress stuff that waits there |
| 15:58:27 | <Liskni_si> | I normally use two to three workspaces per projects, so having 10 workspaces in use is quite usual when I'm actually working on stuff |
| 15:59:11 | <Liskni_si> | (this probably explains why my brain is all over the place most of the time :-)) |
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| 16:29:07 | <Solid> | I have like 25 I think, but in this case it's not really about using them; hidden workspaces count as well |
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| 18:58:52 | <oxide> | geekosaur, the cheatsheat in the topic is a dead link |
| 19:00:01 | <geekosaur> | sigh, another victim of the new documentation "task force" deciding unlaterally to nuke the wiki |
| 19:00:13 | <geekosaur> | we're still putting pieces back together |
| 19:00:41 | <geekosaur> | wait, no. that should be fixable. hold on |
| 19:01:14 | ChanServ | sets mode +o geekosaur |
| 19:02:41 | geekosaur | sets topic to "Want to help? http://bit.ly/2nYjqpQ | xmonad: the tiling window manager with formally proven extensions | http://xmonad.org | http://xmonad.org/faq | cheatsheet: https://wiki.haskell.org/File:Xmbindings.png | https://ircbrowse.tomsmeding.com/browse/xmonad" |
| 19:03:28 | geekosaur | sets mode -o geekosaur |
| 19:06:10 | <geekosaur> | wiki got moved from /haskellwiki to wiki.haskell.org so all older links are broken now |
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| 19:24:49 | <geekosaur> | they could easily have provided backward compatibility but apparently the new documentation task force just wants to burn the wiki down |
| 19:25:11 | geekosaur | does not have a high opinion of it or the foundation behind it at present |
| 19:34:59 | <Solid> | I think links are already fixed on the website at least |
| 19:38:45 | <Liskni_si> | I sent a message to their Slack about a https://www.haskell.org/haskellwiki/ to https://wiki.haskell.org/ redirect. Maybe they just forgot that anyone cared. |
| 19:39:52 | <geekosaur> | I had to do the same thing in #haskell last night |
| 19:40:02 | <geekosaur> | so someone evidently cares |
| 19:48:04 | <Solid> | ah, perhaps just an oversight then |
| 19:48:14 | <Solid> | maybe they didn't think anyone was actually actively using the wiki :> |
| 19:50:33 | <geekosaur> | speaking of, we still need to move off of it before they delete us again |
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| 19:50:49 | <geekosaur> | we're no longer welcome there |
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| 20:24:15 | <oxide> | why? |
| 20:27:55 | <geekosaur> | the Haskell Foundation is taking it over and evicting everyone else in favor of their own plans for it, whatever they are thatthey haven't told anyone (or, reportedly, even worked out) yet |
| 20:28:31 | <geekosaur> | they started deleting us along with the rest of the existing wiki a couple weeks ago and got locked out by gwern, who restored from backup |
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| 20:29:47 | <geekosaur> | and he and various others convinced them that if they're supposed to represent the community, maybe they should (a) tell the community their plans (b) tell people before blindly deleting their stuff |
| 20:31:04 | geekosaur | wishes webirc were a bit more stable… |
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| 20:32:26 | <oxide> | oh, that's really unfortunate |
| 20:33:30 | <oxide> | so xmonad is going to have its separate wiki soon then, presumably |
| 20:33:32 | <geekosaur> | that's just one of several stumbles in HF's relationship with the community it claims to represent, others have been on various mailing lists |
| 20:33:41 | <geekosaur> | probably a github wiki, yes |
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