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| 04:30:17 | <abhixec> | How to do people setup their layouts and workspaces? I am wondering on how to improve my workflow on XMonad. I seem to open all apps and manually move them around workspaces |
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| 06:17:26 | <dminuoso> | abhixec: Out of habit, I have designated workspaces for stuff. 1 runs emacs (sometimes along with terminals for work stuff), 2 runs my browser, 3 runs 4x terminals for work stuff, and 4 has chat stuff like weechat. This gets done manually every time I reboot my computer, so its not so often. |
| 06:17:28 | <xacktm> | abhixec: I have a mastered (i.e. side panel) layout for browser and its tabs manager window, and a simpleTabbedBottom for multiple full screen windows. For PDFs, I was/am still trialing multiCol... I mainly use the default Tall with Resizable layout though, haven't explored much. |
| 06:18:08 | <dminuoso> | Because I like uniformity, I use Tall for all of those (with the option to switch to Full) |
| 06:18:09 | <xacktm> | lol we read the message at practically the same time x) |
| 06:18:13 | <dminuoso> | heh |
| 06:18:30 | <Solid> | both at 08:17:28 for me, as if you planned it :P |
| 06:18:51 | <dminuoso> | xacktm is my alter ego, in secret. |
| 06:19:02 | <xacktm> | shh :p |
| 06:20:32 | <Solid> | abhixec: I use X.A.TopicSpace to really go overboard with the "have one workspace (group) per project" concept :> Layouts are mostly simple composite layouts of Tall/ThreeCol with some extras like magnification for stack windows if there are too many |
| 06:21:05 | <dminuoso> | Solid: Oh by the way, I found just the *real* ghc proposal for type applications. |
| 06:21:20 | <dminuoso> | https://github.com/int-index/ghc-proposals/blob/visible-forall/proposals/0000-visible-forall.rst |
| 06:27:33 | <Solid> | dminuoso: this would be the optimal solution yes |
| 06:27:58 | <Solid> | but in lieu of that I'd still rather write TypeApplications than proxies |
| 06:28:00 | <Solid> | call me weird |
| 06:42:39 | <dminuoso> | Solid: Visibility is just my main annoyance with that, and communicatability of type variable order as an API |
| 06:42:49 | <dminuoso> | i.e. haddock cant even document this properly |
| 06:43:27 | <dminuoso> | (by visibility I mean the aforementioned inability to apply a type variable to an invisible argument) |
| 07:07:31 | <abhixec> | thanks dminuoso xacktm Solid |
| 07:07:55 | <abhixec> | got to read up on TopicSpace! |
| 07:13:48 | <Solid> | its docs in 0.16 are pretty horrible, but we cleaned them up a great deal (imo) on master |
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| 10:29:07 | <wighawag> | Hi |
| 10:29:22 | <wighawag> | I just getting started with xmonad |
| 10:29:27 | <wighawag> | I got a question |
| 10:30:31 | <wighawag> | I have a command line tool that itself spawn xterm console. currently xmonad make these xterm console the main one. is there a way to ensure the parent shell remain in its postion as the main window ? |
| 10:32:08 | <dminuoso> | well you could write a manage hook for it |
| 10:32:23 | <dminuoso> | assuming you can identify the window through an x property |
| 10:34:21 | <wighawag> | Could the manage hook work on the spawned xterm window ? Like for every xterm window do not take main position |
| 10:34:48 | <dminuoso> | As long as you can identify it, yes. |
| 10:35:19 | <dminuoso> | manage hooks are essentially just callbacks inside xmonad when windows get created |
| 10:35:38 | <dminuoso> | type ManageHook = Query (Endo WindowSet) |
| 10:36:21 | <dminuoso> | This type reads a bit strange, but behind the newtypes this is just `Window -> X (WindowSet -> WindowSet)` |
| 10:36:32 | <wighawag> | yes I use them with `doFLoat` |
| 10:36:41 | <dminuoso> | Which says "given this new window, how do we manipulate the window set" |
| 10:36:41 | <wighawag> | what command would ensure the main window is not moved |
| 10:44:49 | <wighawag> | how can I log the window properties that Monad matches with the query. would like to debug |
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| 10:45:31 | <Liskni_si> | wighawag: https://github.com/xmonad/xmonad-contrib/blob/master/scripts/window-properties.sh |
| 10:49:42 | <wighawag> | thanks |
| 10:50:02 | <wighawag> | title ?= do not work for some reason |
| 10:50:29 | <wighawag> | anyway using appName will work for what I am trying to do, but wonder why title do not match |
| 10:58:11 | <wighawag> | A bit lost with the API. how I could create a manageHook that ensure for certain window, they do not disturb the current main window |
| 10:58:48 | <wighawag> | like I have a terminal that execute a cli tool that itself spawn multiple terminal. I want the original terminal to remain the main window in focus |
| 10:59:10 | <Liskni_si> | you'll definitely need something like https://hackage.haskell.org/package/xmonad-contrib-0.16/docs/XMonad-Hooks-InsertPosition.html |
| 11:00:22 | <dminuoso> | Its been ages since I used manageHook, but presumably the input WindowSet already contains the new window ontop of the current stackset with focus on it? |
| 11:01:31 | <wighawag> | thanks for the info |
| 11:01:47 | <wighawag> | ANy easy way to debug like log the window set to see what is going on ? |
| 11:02:12 | <dminuoso> | wighawag: inside the hook? you have X. |
| 11:02:25 | <dminuoso> | https://hackage.haskell.org/package/xmonad-contrib-0.16/docs/XMonad-Hooks-DebugStack.html |
| 11:02:27 | <dminuoso> | Use this |
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| 11:26:44 | <wighawag> | thanks! |
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| 11:33:11 | <wighawag> | Ok, lot to understand to make doF function that would ensure the master position is not changed. I guess I could simply swap the top most with the seoncd top most and be done, but I am not sure how I ca do that, |
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| 11:52:43 | <wighawag> | I guess I could use W.swapDown |
| 11:56:25 | <Liskni_si> | wighawag: is X.H.InsertPosition not enough for that? |
| 11:56:55 | <wighawag> | I got that working: keepMaster = doF W.swapDown |
| 11:57:03 | <wighawag> | but I now need to also keep focus |
| 11:57:07 | <wighawag> | how do I combine 2 action |
| 11:57:24 | <wighawag> | W.swapDown and W.focusMaster |
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| 12:15:28 | <wighawag> | got it working with |
| 12:15:28 | <wighawag> | keepMaster = doF W.focusMaster <+> doF W.swapDown |
| 12:15:47 | <wighawag> | thanks for the help |
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| 12:22:27 | Liskni_si | still doesn't understand why X.H.InsertPosition isn't the answer |
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| 12:25:48 | <dminuoso> | Are you folks considering moving away from freenode? |
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| 12:31:53 | <wighawag> | @Liskni_si did not really tried, how would that work ? |
| 12:31:53 | <lambdabot> | Unknown command, try @list |
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| 12:32:21 | <wighawag> | Liskni_si did not really tried, how would that work ? |
| 12:32:51 | <wighawag> | , appName =? "xterm" --> keepMaster |
| 12:33:04 | <wighawag> | keepMaster = doF W.focusMaster <+> doF W.swapDown |
| 12:33:08 | <wighawag> | this is what I have |
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| 12:58:59 | <eyenx> | anyone talking about the freenode chat drama here? |
| 12:59:04 | <eyenx> | http://kline.sh |
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| 13:02:11 | <Liskni_si> | dminuoso: I noticed the drama but I'd prefer a calmer response |
| 13:02:40 | <Liskni_si> | people tend to suggest moving to Matrix but the UX is like a million times worse |
| 13:02:52 | <dminuoso> | Liskni_si: well, libera.chat is the obvious alternative. |
| 13:03:02 | <Liskni_si> | dminuoso: that doesn't even work yet |
| 13:03:05 | <dminuoso> | it does. |
| 13:03:11 | <Liskni_si> | it didn't two hours ago |
| 13:03:14 | <dminuoso> | It does not :) |
| 13:03:15 | <Liskni_si> | it really is _too_ early |
| 13:03:16 | <dminuoso> | *now |
| 13:03:24 | <dminuoso> | Well, Im very confident libera.chat is there to stay |
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| 13:12:14 | <Liskni_si> | wighawag: something like appName =? "xterm" --> insertPosition Below Older, I guess |
| 13:12:33 | <Liskni_si> | dminuoso: oh well, better grab my nick early then :-/ |
| 13:13:08 | <dminuoso> | Liskni_si: If I catch it first, how much will you pay me? |
| 13:13:14 | <dminuoso> | a double choc chip cookie? |
| 13:13:18 | <dminuoso> | Two of them? |
| 13:13:43 | <dminuoso> | Or maybe a lava cake. Yes, that sounds like a fair price |
| 13:15:33 | <Solid> | doesn't work for me yet |
| 13:16:05 | <dminuoso> | Solid: The servers are under heavy pressure, currently. :p |
| 13:16:14 | <Solid> | :) |
| 13:16:33 | <Solid> | so the first stress test was a failure? :> |
| 13:17:36 | <Liskni_si> | oh fuck it wouldn't let me register with a non-gmail email |
| 13:17:39 | <Solid> | oh there we go |
| 13:17:40 | <Liskni_si> | what a fucking load of crap |
| 13:17:43 | <Solid> | wat |
| 13:17:49 | <Solid> | is there a nickserv yet? |
| 13:19:03 | <dminuoso> | yes |
| 13:19:18 | <dminuoso> | 15:17:36 Liskni_si | oh fuck it wouldn't let me register with a non-gmail email |
| 13:19:21 | <dminuoso> | what error do you get? |
| 13:19:33 | <Liskni_si> | 15:16:12 -- NickServ: Sending email failed, sorry! Registration aborted. |
| 13:19:53 | <dminuoso> | Yeah, try again in a while |
| 13:20:01 | <dminuoso> | The mail server is completely overloaded |
| 13:20:40 | <Solid> | mh yeah nickserv doesn't want to answer me either |
| 13:20:42 | <srk> | but it does work, I've received mine instantly couple minutes ago |
| 13:20:48 | <dminuoso> | It took me a few attempts |
| 13:21:15 | <geekosaur> | remember that most of their infrastructure here is provided by the folks doingthe hostile takeover, so they;re trying to get othr folks to step forward and it'lltake a while to build up the infrastructure we're used to |
| 13:23:14 | <Liskni_si> | as if I didn't hate people enough this fine morning, this crap comes and disrupts my day :-/ |
| 13:27:16 | <Solid> | :( |
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| 13:44:51 | <Solid> | Liskni_si: for what its worth, I just managed to register an account with a non-gmail email |
| 13:45:18 | <Liskni_si> | Solid: I haven't been able to even connect for the last half an hour :-/ |
| 13:45:32 | <Solid> | yeah I just got through |
| 13:45:39 | <Solid> | well, I say registered, I still haven't received the email :D |
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| 13:53:21 | <Solid> | yup, registration worked |
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| 16:21:03 | <vrs> | matrix is really bad, it doesn't even deliver messages reliably |
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| 16:47:24 | <Liskni_si> | I'm glad to not be the only one having had terrible experience with Matrix |
| 16:47:37 | <Liskni_si> | on the other hand a _lot_ of people keep pushing for it |
| 16:47:53 | <Liskni_si> | makes me really genuinely sad that I don't understand this |
| 16:47:57 | <geekosaur> | yeh, I'm seeing that |
| 16:49:39 | <Solid> | #haskell seems to consider moving to it |
| 16:49:54 | <geekosaur> | that's because it's already halfway there |
| 17:03:33 | <Liskni_si> | Solid: yeah, but why |
| 17:03:38 | <Liskni_si> | that's the bit I don't understand |
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| 17:14:57 | <Solid> | Liskni_si: I haven't really used matrix much, so I don't know the specifics |
| 17:15:10 | <Solid> | but a lot of people think it's more "21st century" or something |
| 17:15:45 | <geekosaur> | "unreliable" also seems to be a 21st century thing; see the web >.> |
| 17:18:00 | <Liskni_si> | if by "21st century" people mean "shiny things that don't work" then yeah :-/ |
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| 17:38:08 | <ElKowar[m]> | while it's not perfect, from my (limited) experience it does work pretty well - and having niceties such as proper responses, reactions, codeblocks etc is really nice, especially in a community like this where one does show code etc quite a lot |
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| 17:50:53 | <vrs> | specifically, at one point a matrix-irc bridge ate several messages by a girl that had a crush on me - and became unstuck nine months later and relayed them all at once |
| 17:51:04 | <vrs> | I'm going to keep that grudge for a while |
| 17:51:50 | <ElKowar[m]> | lmao |
| 17:57:58 | <styledash> | so are we all going to libera? |
| 17:58:03 | <styledash> | or is the dream dead |
| 17:58:17 | <geekosaur> | we have a channel registration in progress |
| 17:58:32 | ChanServ | sets mode +o geekosaur |
| 17:59:20 | geekosaur | sets topic to "Want to help? http://bit.ly/2nYjqpQ | xmonad: the tiling window manager with formally proven extensions | http://xmonad.org | http://xmonad.org/faq | cheatsheet: https://wiki.haskell.org/File:Xmbindings.png | https://ircbrowse.tomsmeding.com/browse/xmonad | Move to Libera.chat in progress" |
| 17:59:24 | <styledash> | nice |
| 18:02:10 | <liskin> | can we place bets on how long will both channels co-exist? |
| 18:05:42 | <geekosaur> | probably take a while for everyone to move. or everyone who actively cares (I always wonder how many folks simply forget they're in a channel) |
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| 18:31:27 | <vrs> | why not oftc? |
| 18:35:14 | <geekosaur> | because nobody thought of it, what with the freenode opers moving en masse to libera.chat |
| 18:35:57 | <geekosaur> | and #haskell ops have made it clear that they'd like to keep their relationships with freenode^Wlibera opers |
| 18:39:43 | <vrs> | ah fair |
| 18:40:11 | <vrs> | I'm gonna miss doing /join #projectname and often finding a non-dead channel |
| 18:43:25 | <Solid> | well, the hope is that this'll just happen on libera now :) |
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| 22:28:20 | <liskin> | Where's dminuoso? I have a cookie for them. https://x0.at/OTa.jpg |
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| 23:21:21 | <abhixec> | TIL libera is the new freenode :D |
| 23:22:38 | <kajzer> | I just tried PR #297 and it works now, great job! |
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| 23:46:35 | <liskin> | kajzer: #297 of xmonad not -contrib, right? |
| 23:47:03 | <kajzer> | liskin: yeah Xmonad one |
| 23:47:22 | <kajzer> | https://github.com/xmonad/xmonad/pull/297 |
| 23:48:06 | <liskin> | kajzer: good, thanks for the feedback, I'll merge it tomorrow then :-) |
| 23:48:18 | <kajzer> | cool :) |
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