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00:00:19 <monochrom> Yeah I think "monomer" was mentioned in this channel recently.
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00:01:14 <EvanR> I read "reading documentation is a super power!" in reverse, and autocompleted the beginning to "writing documentation is..."
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00:02:57 <EvanR> at some point reading and writing were akin to super power
00:03:06 <EvanR> now everyone and their dog can do it
00:03:24 <monochrom> "And remember, the truth that once was spoken, to write documentation is to see the face of God...."
00:04:35 <monochrom> "Do you hear the haddock sing? ..."
00:05:46 <EvanR> documentation is incompatible with extreme programming, sorry
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00:14:28 <sm> speaking of documentation.. Hecate, your Haskell Interlude appearance was great!
00:14:28 <sm> https://podcasts.google.com/feed/aHR0cHM6Ly9mZWVkcy5idXp6c3Byb3V0LmNvbS8xODE3NTM1LnJzcw/episode/QnV6enNwcm91dC05ODQ2MDM3?hl=en&ved=2ahUKEwjem6an3t_1AhUIIEQIHZEFDqsQieUEegQIAhAF&ep=6
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00:16:14 <sm> I admire how you speak, and it's great to hear someone raising the profile of documentation
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00:18:48 <Guest6735> Follow up from a question I had a few days ago, statically linking a binary with musl: https://paste.tomsmeding.com/DQrNwbzK I got some very nice responses, though I didn't understand them in their entirety. I tried to take a step back and make a minimun viable example instead, and wrote down the steps I followed and results.
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00:31:53 <qrpnxz> Is there a good library for statically sized arrays in Haskell?
00:33:25 <EvanR> there's vector-sized
00:33:58 <EvanR> index :: forall n a. Vector n a -> Finite n -> a
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00:37:28 <qrpnxz> hmm, seems complicated, but i think best i've seen so far
00:37:29 <qrpnxz> thanks
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00:39:08 <EvanR> it seems about on par with what I imagine statically typed arrays being like
00:39:39 <EvanR> remember you can use numeric literals at the type level
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00:41:41 <qrpnxz> ah yeah, can i do that now without an extension?
00:42:33 <EvanR> :k 5
00:42:33 <lambdabot> GHC.Types.Nat
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00:43:21 <EvanR> some stuff might require importing GHC.TypeLits, or enabling DataKinds, or TypeOperators
00:43:32 <EvanR> or other stuff, but honestly, those should all be enabled by default xD
00:44:07 <monochrom> Perhaps petition for GHC2050 to include them :)
00:44:12 <EvanR> enabling an extension is going to be the least of your concerns if you are getting into type level arcane arts
00:45:03 <monochrom> No wait I have a better idea. Petition for an extension that allows user-defined extension aliases!
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00:49:38 <qrpnxz> thanks Evan
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00:50:49 geekosaur wonders if this really calls for anything beyond Array
00:51:22 <jackdk> monochrom: use `{-# OPTIONS_GHC -F -pgmF add_my_favourite_extensions.sh #-}`
00:51:37 <jackdk> perhaps? though I regret typing it
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00:52:00 <qrpnxz> hahaha
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00:52:52 <qrpnxz> geekosaur, I could put everything into a Data.Dynamic too :) I like static guarantees.
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00:55:08 <awpr> how many different sizes / how large are the desired arrays? if it's a small number of small sizes, then just `data Vec2 a = Vec2 a a` etc. might be a decent answer. otherwise, it will unavoidably be complicated, and if that's okay, then `vector-sized` or `short-vec` should be what you're looking for
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00:55:46 <awpr> there's not really an option to have both "not complicated" and "type-level length"
00:56:18 <qrpnxz> for one use case i need size 16, for another something like 0-255
00:57:11 <qrpnxz> well look at short-vec as well thanks
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01:00:14 <awpr> "0-255" is a range of several statically-known lengths? a dynamic-sized vector with a static upper bound of 255? or length-polymorphic code where the length is typically in that range?
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01:01:13 <ephemient> in theory data Vec65 a = Vec65 a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a compiles. but
01:01:17 <ephemient> > (,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,) -- does not
01:01:18 <lambdabot> error:
01:01:18 <lambdabot> A 65-tuple is too large for GHC
01:01:18 <lambdabot> (max size is 62)
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01:02:58 <awpr> in my experience, if you don't mix or change vector sizes, especially if vector sizes are always numeric constants, then that type of vector library should be simpler than it looks; but if you need existentially-sized things, or length arithmetic on polymorphic sizes, then they end up being way more complicated than they look
01:03:23 <monochrom> jackdk: Excellent! I like here-and-now solutions too! :)
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01:07:11 <qrpnxz> i said 0-255 because i couldn't remember exactly the length, but somewhere around there. There was another situation where i was thinking it'd be cool to have a typed length, where the length was determined at parse time and it was carried around in the type. Why the type and not a member? Because then you'd get guarantees about what size objects you are combining. I forget the details but something like t
01:07:11 <qrpnxz> hat. For now I was just wondering about dead simple static size arrays like in another static lang.
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01:08:50 <monochrom> jackdk: I have found another solution in the form of turning on CPP then use #include to include a file that contains language pragmas :)
01:09:04 <monochrom> "more modular"
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01:15:20 <EvanR> qrpnxz, since the size is not known at compile time, it becomes the realm of existential types
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01:16:19 <EvanR> which a lot of fun!
01:16:22 <EvanR> are
01:16:22 <awpr> yeah, Haskell just doesn't have builtin size-parameterized arrays; somebody has to implement them in terms of type-level naturals and a curated API that preserves size correctness.
01:16:23 <qrpnxz> sounds right
01:16:39 <jackdk> monochrom: I'm sure that won't cause any problems at all
01:16:47 <jackdk> }:->
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01:18:07 <awpr> OTOH the existential situation would be impossible to type or even more tedious in terms of other languages' "simple" sized arrays, so Haskell probably comes out slightly ahead there
01:18:09 <qrpnxz> i wish it was in haskell built-in because seems like everybody reinvent the wheel here with these lifted Nats and Finites and such, and i feel like it's basic functionality? But i'm guessing it's still in the experimental phase where the optimal way to do it is not really obvious or somewhat clea
01:18:57 <EvanR> Nat and Fin is pretty standard, outside haskell
01:19:21 <awpr> lifted Nats are built in, nobody's reinventing that. GHC just isn't as good at making type-level arithmetic convenient compared to a lot of other languages that put more effort into that
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01:21:25 <awpr> I'm not quite sure I see the disadvantage of the vec libraries though -- for the cases that are possible in other languages, they are actually simple after all, and if you accept making things more complicated, you can do things other languages can't
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01:22:38 <qrpnxz> you are right about the Nats. Suppose you are right about the libs, will need to try them out a bit
01:22:42 <monochrom> Not as nice as a type system that's dependent since day 1.
01:23:06 <monochrom> Then again, that sets a very high bar.
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01:24:41 <qrpnxz> this looked neat https://dl.acm.org/doi/10.1145/3110275
01:26:56 <monochrom> Hey, I like the name "FC" more than "core". :)
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01:28:06 <monochrom> Thanks for the find, I think I'm interested too.
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02:36:01 <pfurla-matrix> at page 36, what is the difference between ⊨ and ⊢ ? (I am only skimming the article)
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02:38:01 <EvanR> page 36 of what
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03:03:26 <pfurla-matrix> The paper above
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03:05:23 <EvanR> it only goes to 29
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03:10:58 <pfurla-matrix> oh, I mean printed page number
03:11:17 <pfurla-matrix> it's the absolute page 6
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03:14:12 <EvanR> I dunno if it relates to page 31:6 but https://handwiki.org/wiki/Double_turnstile
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03:15:42 <Sqaure> is there some trick to hide data type information behind a type class? I realize my example doesnt work but I feel it *could* work =D https://paste.tomsmeding.com/ORj3fboA
03:16:04 <Sqaure> i dont wanna return a M.Map so to speak. I want things to be hidden.
03:16:16 <Sqaure> it to be*
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03:17:44 <EvanR> since D and DC seem the same except one has (some?) types erased, that wiki pages distinction "semantic entailment vs syntactic entailment" is probably n/a
03:17:59 <sm> kind of ridiculous that things like fromMaybe aren't in Prelude >:/
03:18:18 <EvanR> there's a few things like that actually... forcing people to invent alternative preludes xD
03:19:02 <pfurla-matrix> I am vaguely familiar with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logical_consequence#Proofs_and_models
03:19:07 <EvanR> Sqaure, do you want to return an abstract interface to your type, in a record for example
03:19:28 <EvanR> or a newtype hidden value that is only accessible within the module
03:20:24 <Sqaure> EvanR, i want patRepo to be widely available and hide underlying data type.
03:20:44 <Sqaure> (many things in the module wont be exported)
03:20:53 <ephemient> if you wrap it in a newtype and don't export the constructor, it will be hidden from other modules (without tricks)
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03:21:37 <EvanR> this typeclass looks kind of like a common anti-pattern when first learning about type classes
03:21:45 <Sqaure> ah ok. Ill try that. Can this be the moment i realize the power of newtype! =D
03:21:47 <EvanR> though, it might be possible to do it this way
03:21:54 <EvanR> a newtype is simpler
03:22:44 <pfurla-matrix> don't export what you don't want to be seen, if you setters and getters, write them and export then
03:22:45 <pfurla-matrix> *them
03:22:50 <pfurla-matrix> s/then/them/
03:22:51 <Sqaure> EvanR, oh. Whats wrong with it? Id gladly hear.
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03:24:59 <EvanR> well, I think it's not known the full extent of what you intend to do with all the variety of patient types
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03:26:35 <marquis_andras> hey guys, do you know if haskell-language-server can be configured to work with stack scripts? mine keeps giving errors about modules like 'Could not find Module Network.HTTP.Simple'
03:27:03 <Sqaure> its just Key-Value map. Trying to anonymice it
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03:27:22 <ephemient> you don't need a class to do that
03:27:31 <EvanR> well, are all the keys and values the same type?
03:27:45 <ephemient> even if they're not all the same type
03:28:07 <EvanR> if they're not, there's more questions to answer
03:29:08 <ephemient> right, then we'll have to know more details… but even then, in most circumstances you don't want a class
03:29:09 <Sqaure> i see the potential of newtype here. Maybe its enough.
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03:29:11 <EvanR> in clojure they have an interface for key value maps that basically is just "lookup"
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03:29:20 <EvanR> but it doesn't really add much or have any laws
03:29:38 <EvanR> but if you wanted to do that in haskell, it's as simple as exposing a function from keys to values
03:29:45 <EvanR> instead of using a typeclass
03:30:01 <marquis_andras> nvm guys. i've solved it. i just needed a hie.yaml file in the same directory as my stack script.
03:30:28 <EvanR> more likely there are many more features required than that
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03:30:46 <ephemient> rubber ducking at its best, we didn't even have to do anything :)
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03:31:23 <marquis_andras> :)
03:31:35 <Sqaure> my example is crap i see now. Doesnt illustrate my idea. Well ill play with newtype and see where it gets me
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03:34:58 <pfurla-matrix> <EvanR> "well, I think it's not known the..." <- oh, is patient types the type system of lazy languages? :)
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03:46:59 <Sqaure> To shorten the description of my probably trivial problem. I want to 1. expose repositories that are Map hidden behind an some coarser interface (newtype perfect). 2. All these repos should have a "find :: String -> Maybe v" method that will be different for each Key type. As Key-types constructors needs to be "private" only the repositories should be able to construct (atm atleast) Key values.
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03:48:35 <EvanR> so each key goes to a particular value
03:48:40 <EvanR> type
03:49:19 <Sqaure> I can probably make that fly somehow but maybe there is some clean solution to it. All "newtype MyRepo k v = MyRepo { runRepo :: M.Map k v }" needs to implement that special find per k and v choices.
03:49:24 <EvanR> find :: Key a -> Maybe a
03:49:25 <Sqaure> Yeah
03:51:04 <EvanR> also maybe look at the latest in typed database "solutions"
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03:53:05 <Sqaure> Right, you mean Persistent Key type?
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03:56:58 <EvanR> String doesn't hold any type information about what it goes to
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04:14:45 <Sqaure> EvanR, it would be used to construct the key "k" type.
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04:39:58 <Sqaure> This is what i ended up with which compiles fine. https://paste.tomsmeding.com/aipUt3Ad
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04:42:18 <Sqaure> im a bit surprised that worked. I sorta found it worked by luck. Especially how the "m" argument could be used as a type function in the class function definitions.
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04:42:57 <EvanR> there's kind inference
04:43:03 <Sqaure> in GenRepoBase that is
04:43:24 <EvanR> if you use the same m as a * and * -> *, it will not work
04:43:40 <EvanR> unless it's polykinded, which is an extension
04:44:06 <EvanR> PolyKinds
04:44:48 <Sqaure> First i tried with "class Ord k => GenRepoBase (m:: k -> v -> *) where" but that did not fly
04:45:17 <EvanR> that's erroneous because k is a type not a kind
04:46:03 <EvanR> m :: * -> * -> *
04:46:21 <Sqaure> Well i was hoping i could express something like "a type function 'm' that take 'k' and 'v' as arguments".
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04:47:21 <EvanR> pass a k value and v value to the type constructor? xD
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04:48:26 <EvanR> like in the sized vectors we were discussing earlier, Vector 4 Int, array of 4 Ints
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04:49:23 <EvanR> or perhaps more reasonably you mean to pass a type k and type v to m, which is what * -> * -> * means
04:49:37 <Sqaure> yeah
04:50:04 <Sqaure> now it seems to have infered that but yeah.
04:50:18 <EvanR> yeah you can use :k in the repl to get the kind
04:50:41 <Sqaure> thought i had to be more explicit about what m was. That it was assumed to have kind *
04:50:50 <EvanR> that would be annoying
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04:52:43 <EvanR> in another context :: k -> v -> * could make sense, but k and v would be kind variables for some kind not necessarily *
04:52:52 <EvanR> which happens if you enable DataKinds
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04:54:51 <EvanR> e.g. k might be Nat or Symbol or one of your types lifted to the kind level
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04:55:16 <Axman6> Can anyone explain the semantics of the Choice instance for Fold from foldl? with right' :: Fold a b -> Fold (Either c a) (Either c b), does it accept Either a b and if it ever sees a Left c, it will return Left c?
04:56:02 <EvanR> intuitively Left c would result in outputting Left c and no other effect
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04:56:51 <EvanR> like ArrowChoice?
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05:00:37 <jackdk> instance Choice Fold where right' (Fold step begin done) = Fold (liftA2 step) (Right begin) (fmap done)
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05:03:19 <Axman6> just trying to difure out how to immplement it for me weird fold alternative
05:03:23 <Axman6> figure*
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09:32:06 <Inst> sorry
09:32:20 <Inst> actually, forget it, it's a non-issue
09:33:08 <Inst> (GHCI can output history, but it's not ergonomic. There's no easy way to do your coding in GHCI if you choose to do so and then rebuild it into a .hs file.)
09:33:25 <Inst> (asked already on FP discord, but I was wondering if #haskell had a different solution)
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09:51:51 <Axman6> Inst: you just write in the .hs file and :r(eload) it
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10:02:20 <Inst> i mean that's what i do
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10:02:30 <Inst> ghci only gets used for testing
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10:03:23 <Inst> also, curious, there's no default function for multiple comparisons, right?
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10:04:07 <Inst> ex: c == 2 || 3, which is an incorrect use of || operator
10:04:18 <Inst> but means that I compare c to 2 and 3 at the same time
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10:07:27 <tomsmeding> Inst: c `elem` [2, 3] ?
10:07:35 <Inst> thanks
10:07:43 <tomsmeding> but no, not really more general
10:08:52 <Inst> but isn't there a performance penalty if i use elem and lists?
10:09:02 <tomsmeding> you can cobble things together using monoids -- you can see (a -> Bool) as a monoid using f <> g = \x -> f x || g x -- but while you can get some generality with that, you don't really buy convenience, which I think is what you were after
10:09:31 <tomsmeding> hopefully 'elem' is small enough to be inlined, in which case the recursion over the list will probably be unfolded at compile time
10:09:42 <tomsmeding> resulting in precisely c == 2 || c == 3
10:10:20 <tomsmeding> so yes, a priori there is a small performance penalty, but I have good hopes for optimisation (but always benchmark if it really matters)
10:10:53 <Inst> it's just theoretical, someone is busy telling me "we have or patterns in ocaml!"
10:11:15 <tomsmeding> we don't in haskell
10:11:32 <Inst> given that Haskell is a kitchen sink language, this is somewhat disappointing
10:11:34 <tomsmeding> because nobody found it important enough to build syntax for it into the compiler :p
10:11:39 <tomsmeding> write a language proposal!
10:12:12 <Inst> i'm not a programmer :(
10:12:13 <Inst> back to work
10:12:39 <Inst> i'm such a script kiddie i like languages purely on the elegance and simplicity of the syntax
10:12:45 <Inst> only thing that really draws me to Haskell is the syntax
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10:13:21 <tomsmeding> Inst: https://gitlab.haskell.org/ghc/ghc/-/issues/3919
10:13:52 <lortabac> there was a GHC proposal to introduce or-patterns, I don't know what happened to it
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10:14:25 <tomsmeding> see also https://github.com/ghc-proposals/ghc-proposals/pull/43
10:15:00 <tomsmeding> i.e. there is interest but noone has stepped up to implement it, it seems
10:15:30 <lortabac> tomsmeding: yes, that's the proposal I was thinking of
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10:17:15 <Inst> it honestly doesn't need this
10:17:18 <lortabac> to be honest I think GHC is already complex enough, and or-patterns add very little to the language
10:17:22 <Inst> it just needs an addition to Eq typeclass
10:18:33 <Inst> define |= or some other operator (i forget if | is reserved, let me check haskell report) to check recursively for equality in an argument of (a,b,c)
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10:19:22 <Inst> or just an elem operator
10:21:08 <Inst> playing around with Eq typeclass is probably easiest way to do this
10:21:52 <lortabac> what's the advantage over just using elem?
10:21:55 <c_wraith> the worst possible solution is a QuasiQuoter, right?
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10:23:34 <c_wraith> it's likely elem won't get inlined, and you'll end up actually chasing (:) constructors through memory every time you call a function
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10:23:59 <c_wraith> Which isn't the worst thing in the world, but it is a performance hit that sometimes is important to avoid
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10:47:07 <Inst> tbh just adding an elem operator makes sense
10:47:23 <Inst> it's used infix much of the time
10:48:47 <teddyc> c ∈ [2,3]
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11:14:41 <Axman6> % class Elem a b | b -> a where (|=) :: a -> b -> Bool; instance Eq a => Elem a (a,a) where x |= (a,b) = x == a || x == b; instance Eq a => Elem a (a,a,a) where x |= (a,b,c) = x == a || x == b || x == c
11:14:42 <yahb> Axman6: ; <interactive>:1:55: error: parse error on input `instance'
11:14:55 <Axman6> % class Elem a b | b -> a where (|=) :: a -> b -> Boo --l; instance Eq a => Elem a (a,a) where x |= (a,b) = x == a || x == b; instance Eq a => Elem a (a,a,a) where x |= (a,b,c) = x == a || x == b || x == c
11:14:56 <yahb> Axman6: ; <interactive>:2:49: error:; Not in scope: type constructor or class `Boo'; Perhaps you meant `Bool' (imported from Prelude)
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11:15:05 <Axman6> % class Elem a b | b -> a where (|=) :: a -> b -> Bool --; instance Eq a => Elem a (a,a) where x |= (a,b) = x == a || x == b; instance Eq a => Elem a (a,a,a) where x |= (a,b,c) = x == a || x == b || x == c
11:15:05 <yahb> Axman6:
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11:15:32 <Axman6> % instance Eq a => Elem a (a,a) where x |= (a,b) = x == a || x == b; instance Eq a => Elem a (a,a,a) where x |= (a,b,c) = x == a || x == b || x == c
11:15:32 <yahb> Axman6: ; <interactive>:4:68: error: parse error on input `instance'
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11:15:37 <Axman6> % instance Eq a => Elem a (a,a) where x |= (a,b) = x == a || x == b; -- instance Eq a => Elem a (a,a,a) where x |= (a,b,c) = x == a || x == b || x == c
11:15:38 <yahb> Axman6:
11:15:49 <Axman6> % instance Eq a => Elem a (a,a,a) where x |= (a,b,c) = x == a || x == b || x == c
11:15:49 <yahb> Axman6:
11:16:02 <Axman6> % 3 |= (1,2,3)
11:16:02 <yahb> Axman6: True
11:16:11 <Axman6> is it worth it? probably not
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11:20:17 <Axman6> probablty wants something like: instance (Eq a, a ~ b, a ~ c, a ~ c)) => Elem a (b,c,d) where to avoid also defining other tuple instances
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11:51:07 <tomsmeding> "Not in scope: `Boo'"
11:52:06 <tomsmeding> yeah that ~ instance probably gives better type inference
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12:06:36 <absentia> is there a way to have stateful computations in attoparsec? i have a stateful parsec parser that i'd like to port to attoparsec, which apparently does not support monad transformers as parsec does
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12:08:08 <merijn> absentia: It depends on what you need
12:08:20 <merijn> absentia: You can wrap attoparsec in StateT
12:08:31 <merijn> But whether that has the correct results depends on what you need
12:10:48 <absentia> merijn: oh, hm. in my parsec implementation I have a ParserT over State - I suppose I can use a StateT over attoparsec, I don't think it matters in my case
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12:16:31 <absentia> :/ maybe i am getting confused, i haven't looked at this in a while
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12:17:34 <absentia> but it looks like ParsecT has a MonadState instance that lets me update state that I can use to compute the final parse result... wouldn't StateT over attoparsec be a stateful computation that gives me a parser? not a parser that carries along additional state
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12:18:26 <absentia> I don't actually have ParserT over State - it already instances MonadState itself
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12:34:27 <absentia> I guess I'm still not clear on the difference in the way those monads stack, but I can just lift everything into StateT and I guess it works?
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12:55:09 <absentia> @pl (\x -> x)
12:55:10 <lambdabot> id
12:55:40 <merijn> absentia: The difference is that with StateT wrapping attoparsec, any backtracking in the parser will *also* backtrack operations on the state
12:56:54 <absentia> I suppose this is OK - my case for state involves advancing an index / coordinate upon successful parse
12:57:17 <absentia> thank you
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14:05:22 <absentia> well it appears to work - that wasn't too bad
14:05:33 <absentia> question is, is it actually any faster
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14:38:10 <Gurkenglas> [A] is not the free monoid on A but rather the free left monoid action of the free monoid on A, right? and it feels like one can get away with only saying free once there, somehow.
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14:44:15 <Gurkenglas> no argh that's not it either, i think. just as "free monoid" gives you just the finite lists, the latter gives you only the infinite lists
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14:49:49 <lyxia> I dunno if it helps but there's the initial algebra/final coalgebra aspect.
14:50:29 <Gurkenglas> oh http://comonad.com/reader/2015/free-monoids-in-haskell/ is relevant. so 1: the infinity issues might actually be fine: every Haskell type of finite sequences will have infinite sequences too
14:51:32 <lyxia> what about data List a = Cons a !(List a) | Nil
14:51:36 <Gurkenglas> 2: *but* (repeat 1) ++ [2] == (repeat 1) and that's no good for a "free monoid"
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14:53:30 <Gurkenglas> lyxia, huh. i don't know if i want to model that. but sure, if ! is allowed that's the free monoid.
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15:38:40 <lyxia> Just to confuse you more, in OCaml the standard type of lists is inhabited by cyclic lists.
15:40:14 <merijn> Gurkenglas: Why is that not good?
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15:40:44 <merijn> Gurkenglas: Also, generally we pretend there's a total subset of haskell when reasoning about things like that
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15:41:23 <merijn> Gurkenglas: You can google "Fast and Loose Reasoning is Morally Correct" for a justification why we can for most practical purposes :p
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16:01:26 <kaidankoeppel> Hello -- I'm having a little bit of a hard time understanding `Either` in this exercise: https://exercism.org/tracks/haskell/exercises/rna-transcription . http://ix.io/3Ork has the source file along with a small error description. If I understand correctly, I should run one function if it's Char, the other one if it's a String, right?
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16:04:21 <kaidankoeppel> "it" being the input of `toRNA`.
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16:07:04 <geekosaur> this looks fairly confused to me. you start out with xs which is a String. `isLeft (Left xs)` doesn't change this, in fact it does nothing
16:08:10 <Gurkenglas> merijn, because any A->M for any monoid M is supposed to uniquely factor through the free monoid, but if repeat 1 <> [2] == repeat 1 and M = SnocList Int and A->M=pure and the induced [A]->M is f, then f(repeat 1) = f(repeat 1 <> 2) != f(repeat 1) <> f 2 so f isn't a monoid morphism
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16:09:28 <Gurkenglas> i'm also a fan of fast-and-loose but this is not about equating Hask to Set :D
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16:12:13 <geekosaur> kaidankoeppel, in fact there seems no actual use of Either here as yet. toRNA takes a String, this does not become a Char magically, nor would you be running that function according to the problem specification. So I'm not sure what your confusion actually is but Either seems not to be the actual confusion
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16:13:54 <akhesacaro> https://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/sire33/ann_servant_019_release/
16:14:12 <geekosaur> also (Left xs) is a type error because xs is known to be String at that point, not Char, but ghc doesn't get that far
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16:18:40 <polyphem> if i run "stack test" i get the test output to terminal , with "cabal test" no terminal output , only summary file , how can i change cabals behavior to show me the test output while running ?
16:20:00 <polyphem> nvm, cabal test --test-show-details=streaming works
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16:20:54 <polyphem> kind of , only block wise refresh , hmm
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16:23:12 <geekosaur> the test is running into a pipe, the test framework would have to be told to use character or line buffering (cabal cannot do this for it)
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16:24:09 <kaidankoeppel> geekosaur: oh wait, I now know what you're getting at. You're correct, I don't even think of realizing it's always a String. I misunderstood that it could be Either Char String when it is the return value that is of that type.
16:24:21 <geekosaur> right
16:24:37 <kaidankoeppel> You can tell I'm very new to Haskell. This Either concept bogged my mind.
16:24:40 <kaidankoeppel> Thank you very much.
16:25:01 <geekosaur> and as I read the problem that actually gets pushed down to singleRNA, because it's the `otherwise` case there that should produce a Left
16:25:27 <geekosaur> and toRNA has to deal with that Left and return it to its caller
16:26:10 <polyphem> ok , now it works with : cabal test --test-show-details=direct
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16:28:07 <geekosaur> kaidankoeppel, I think you'll also find you don't want a map here
16:28:50 <geekosaur> because you need to deal with a Left when it appears (you want the first one, not all of them). this looks like a fold to me
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16:33:30 <kaidankoeppel> yep, I just realized that the fold is required to check for the failing case, in the sense that you only require the first error.
16:33:40 <kaidankoeppel> the first letter*
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17:07:05 <kaidankoeppel> thank you geekosaur -- I have resolved the exercise and I now understand what I have missed.
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17:31:45 <janus> akhesacaro: the changelog says GHC 9.2 "should work". but how can it since there is an indirect dependency on 'memory'? the solver fails to find a plan, going servant-server->wai-app-static->optparse-applicative->memory
17:34:32 <janus> i just do 'cabal repl -b servant-server==0.19 -w ghc-9.2.1', is that wrong?
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17:39:39 <janus> hmm seems that line is from Gaël Deest, are they on irc?
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17:46:08 <justsomeguy> When I run my tests in stack with stack test, it says Ambiguous module name 'Lib'. How can I specify that it should use the Lib module from the package I'm writing instead of libiserv or whatever?
17:47:20 <geekosaur> I think your only option is PackageImports :(
17:47:35 geekosaur noticed that Lib module today and was surprised nobody had tripped over it yet
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17:49:00 <geekosaur> "The special package name this can be used to refer to the current package being built."
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17:50:19 <justsomeguy> I added exposed-modules: Lib to my library section in package.yaml and it stopped showing that error message about ambiguous module names.
17:50:43 justsomeguy doesn't know why that worked; He just guessed.
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17:53:15 <dsal> Lib is a pretty bad name and nothing should use it.
17:53:37 <justsomeguy> By PackageImports, do you mean the language extension?
17:53:41 <geekosaur> yes
17:53:56 <geekosaur> https://downloads.haskell.org/ghc/latest/docs/html/users_guide/exts/package_qualified_imports.html?highlight=packageimports#package-qualified-imports
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17:55:15 <geekosaur> wonder if it's worth filing a bug against libiserv about it
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17:56:25 <geekosaur> even worse, it exports only one function https://downloads.haskell.org/ghc/8.10.7/docs/html/libraries/libiserv-8.10.7/Lib.html
17:56:46 <geekosaur> this is, like, egregious
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17:59:27 <ProfSimm> Is "where" in functions just a way to put definitions that should come before, to be after?
18:00:02 <monochrom> I disagree with "should". But sure.
18:00:11 <geekosaur> I believe it has slightly different scope
18:00:13 <ProfSimm> If it's not should what is it
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18:00:25 <geekosaur> where scopes over guards, I think
18:00:39 <monochrom> I would change the whole sentence to "just a way to put definitions after".
18:00:59 <monochrom> Without any religious baggage of what "should" be.
18:02:20 <monochrom> Yeah the guards can access things defined under "where".
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18:03:01 <monochrom> Moreover laziness still applies, you can define things some guards don't use, it will stay very cheap.
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18:03:48 <monochrom> Err I mean things you don't use when some guards turn out to be false.
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18:05:02 <EvanR> use terms just prior to defining them, or define a bunch of terms then use them
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18:06:08 <EvanR> pick your poison xD
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18:07:42 <geekosaur> yeh, I'm generally on the "let" side of that one. moreover I structure the let to build up from simple to complex
18:07:54 <monochrom> My religion is that every definition should be floating in 3D space spread out over a spherical region and linked with thin lines.
18:08:03 <monochrom> Think outside the plain text file.
18:08:06 <geekosaur> so it's easier to follow what I'm doing, and if you only care about the result you can jump to the end
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18:10:11 <EvanR> the definitions are encoded on the event horizon of a schwarzchild blackhole, and the expression as a whole is a hologram
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18:39:20 <kuribas> How can I make stack only typecheck?
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18:40:53 <monochrom> Tell stack to tell ghc "-fno-code"
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18:41:56 <kuribas> right
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18:53:21 <asivitz> anyone else have problems with ghci on an m1 mac? I think it's a readline problem. when I hit 'up arrow' my prompt fills with garbage
18:53:47 <maerwald> :D
18:54:07 <maerwald> is that not expected on mac?
18:54:53 <maerwald> there are a *lot* of issues on M1, but not sure if there's a ticket about this one
18:55:16 <geekosaur> I thought this was the terminfo binding issue
18:55:47 <dsal> asivitz: Yep.
18:56:13 <asivitz> ah, any workaround or link to a ticket?
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18:58:41 <geekosaur> I think it's https://github.com/judah/haskeline/issues/162 but hasn't made it to a release / upstream yet
19:00:00 <geekosaur> (ghci uses haskeline instead of readline for a number of reasons including easier apple and windows support)
19:00:22 <asivitz> geekosaur: thanks!
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20:58:27 <janus> are flags shared across packages? that is, their names should be coordinated across packages?
20:59:16 <monochrom> No.
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21:01:09 <janus> when i use '-f flagname' in cabal-install, it only applies to the immediate target package?
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21:16:00 <janus> that was meant to be a question. because if the flag applies on the whole dep tree, it seems like it would make sense to coordinate flag names
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21:16:26 <geekosaur> the problem is even if they're coordinated you may not want them to apply everywhere
21:17:13 <geekosaur> consider that you might want a hypothetical -fllvm to apply to one package which does a lot of math (which is generally faster) but not some other package (where it might be done for a backend)
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21:17:34 <janus> right, but that is achievable using constraints which can set a flag on an individual package https://stackoverflow.com/a/49808007/309483
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21:18:17 <geekosaur> and if you really want it on all packages you can use a `package *` stanza in `cabal.project`
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21:19:29 <janus> oh cool
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21:22:36 <janus> sounds like there is no reason not to coordinate names since you wouldn't accidentally flip a flag anyway, they don't apply on all packages anyway (by default)
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22:30:04 <segfaultfizzbuzz> so, i don't understand here https://paste.rs/eyX.hs
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22:30:52 <segfaultfizzbuzz> https://hackage.haskell.org/package/xml-types-0.3.8/docs/Data-XML-Types.html#t:Name nameLocalName looks like it only takes one type as a constructor
22:30:56 <segfaultfizzbuzz> err one value
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22:31:28 <monochrom> isNamed (nameLocalName "img") ?
22:32:26 <monochrom> The way I made that guess is: "expected X", "actual X->Y", "first argument of ‘isNamed’, namely ‘nameLocalName’".
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22:34:07 <monochrom> There may be other problems.
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22:34:40 <awpr> that plus you're trying to pipe a conduit into a function of `Element -> [Element]`, whereas it expects to be piped into further conduits
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22:49:55 <segfaultfizzbuzz> i'm not making sense of this
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22:52:02 <awpr> `(.|) :: Monad m => ConduitM a b m () -> ConduitM b c m r -> ConduitM a c m r`, i.e. its arguments are two conduits. in the code paste, it's being applied to a function and a conduit, which is a type error
22:52:41 <awpr> er, in the code paste if it said `isNamed (nameLocalName "img")` as suggested above
22:53:14 <segfaultfizzbuzz> the parens don't help much
22:53:39 <monochrom> Sure, I picked a low-hanging fruit.
22:53:46 <segfaultfizzbuzz> i mean, thanks for trying
22:54:00 <awpr> they make the call to `isNamed` well-typed in isolation, but they don't affect the problem that a function is different from a conduit
22:54:23 <segfaultfizzbuzz> i'm expecting the ergonomics of this to be that i have something like foo |> bar |> baz
22:54:31 <segfaultfizzbuzz> where foo produces a stream, bar filters it somehow, and baz consumes the stream
22:54:49 <awpr> right, understood
22:55:15 <segfaultfizzbuzz> so i need to somehow promote isNamed to a conduit, is that the issue?
22:55:22 <awpr> yes, looks like that's with https://hackage.haskell.org/package/conduit-1.3.4.2/docs/Data-Conduit-Combinators.html#v:concatMap
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23:03:12 <segfaultfizzbuzz> hmm https://paste.rs/dYa.hs
23:03:21 <segfaultfizzbuzz> adding an import of Name does nothing for the errors
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23:03:49 <segfaultfizzbuzz> import Data.XML.Types (Name, nameLocalName, isNamed)
23:05:23 <awpr> oh, I probably should have actually looked at the type of `nameLocalName`
23:05:26 <geekosaur> that's not your biggest prolem. you're using the wrong concatMap
23:05:42 <awpr> yeah, that too, for the first error
23:05:54 <maerwald> should have used streamly xD
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23:09:47 <segfaultfizzbuzz> sorrry, my laptop power cable is loose, lol
23:15:57 <segfaultfizzbuzz> eh, hiding concatMap didn't do a lot to help
23:17:47 <awpr> if it didn't say "ambiguous reference" before, then hiding cannot be expected to fix it. you have to import the right one, and make sure you're referencing the right one
23:20:12 <segfaultfizzbuzz> https://paste.rs/Qje.hs
23:21:46 <awpr> a) `nameLocalName` is still a problem, that's trying to access a `Text` field of a `Name`, but the thing it's being passed to expects the entire `Name`
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23:22:11 <segfaultfizzbuzz> if i import Name it becomes unhappy,... i guess this becomes another namespace conflict thing...?
23:22:15 <awpr> it might just want to be `isNamed "img"`, depending on how the `IsString` instance works
23:22:56 <segfaultfizzbuzz> it wants an Element
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23:23:31 <segfaultfizzbuzz> so... is this stuff not really used? am i one of like ten people to actually use this?
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23:23:35 <awpr> no, it wants a `Name` first, and then an `Element`: `isNamed :: Name -> Element -> [Element]`
23:23:55 <absentia> segfaultfizzbuzz: it's used, irc is just slow
23:24:15 <awpr> I have no idea whether `xml-types` is used, but `conduit` is very popular (for a Haskell library)
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23:24:41 <absentia> oh wait you mean conduits
23:24:43 <absentia> haha
23:25:04 <segfaultfizzbuzz> yes i mean conduits and xml types and whatnot, because filtering based on an element seems to be one of the most basic things
23:25:07 <monochrom> The intersection of conduit users and xml-types users can be pretty small.
23:25:11 <segfaultfizzbuzz> the documentation isn't really the greatest,... heh ok
23:25:28 <segfaultfizzbuzz> anyway if i add Name to the imports, ghc is still unhappy
23:25:44 <awpr> why is adding `Name` relevant? it's not referenced in the code
23:26:01 <awpr> no reason to expect importing something you don't use would affect anything
23:26:11 <segfaultfizzbuzz> it seems that i need to say Data.Conduit.Combinators.concatMap (isNamed (Name "img")) if i am not going to use nameLocalName
23:26:21 <absentia> awpr: typeclass instances?
23:26:31 <segfaultfizzbuzz> but import Data.XML.Types (nameLocalName, Name, isNamed) doesn't make that problem go away
23:26:34 <awpr> then you're importing the typeclass instances
23:26:36 <segfaultfizzbuzz> i guess i could be completely explicit
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23:27:12 <awpr> the constructor of `Name` takes three arguments. but it has an `IsString` instance that should be easier to use, like I posted earlier
23:27:25 <segfaultfizzbuzz> this is haskell, how can it be confused that i am not adding Name to the import list when i in fact am
23:27:29 <awpr> the other problem is (reading directly from the error message here) that the earlier part of the conduit pipeline produces `Event`s, and the later part expects `Element`s
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23:28:03 <awpr> oh, you're also not importing the data constructor `Name`, only the type `Name`. it's not confused, although it is arguably confus_ing_
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23:29:03 <monochrom> The syntax for importing a data constructor DC is not "import M(DC)". It is "import M(T(DC))" if T is the type name.
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23:29:16 <segfaultfizzbuzz> what. lol
23:29:23 <segfaultfizzbuzz> Name(Name) ?
23:29:28 <awpr> yes
23:29:30 <segfaultfizzbuzz> lol
23:29:56 <awpr> or `Name(..)`
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23:31:58 <awpr> but even so, importing `Name` won't fix that snippet; it's given the wrong number of parameters
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23:32:33 <segfaultfizzbuzz> i mean i am looking at the documentation and nameLocalName takes one Text argument and Name looks like it should be the same ?
23:33:21 <monochrom> Amazingly, https://www.haskell.org/tutorial/modules.html teaches this.
23:33:34 <awpr> `nameLocalName :: Name -> Text` and `Name :: Text -> Maybe Text -> Maybe Text -> Name`
23:33:51 <segfaultfizzbuzz> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CScRRlmvncA
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23:49:12 <segfaultfizzbuzz> should i switch to streamly? i made several attempts at simply checking whether something has a name of img and nothing works
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23:49:58 <awpr> switching to streamly has nothing to do with the cause of this particular error. so, maybe? I don't have an established preference between the two.
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23:50:26 <awpr> the problem here is that the code is parsing Events and then trying to consume Elements
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23:52:00 <awpr> so you'd either need to switch to a parser that parses Elements (which probably means giving up on streaming?) or do something more complex downstream to sift through Events to accomplish whatever you're trying to do
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23:52:56 <segfaultfizzbuzz> the .| specifies a stream direction, like |> right ?
23:53:13 <segfaultfizzbuzz> left to right
23:53:29 <awpr> effectively, yeah
23:54:27 <segfaultfizzbuzz> i mean let me see if what haskell folks say is true. so i search for element and event on hoogle and i find... https://hoogle.haskell.org/?hoogle=event+element&scope=set%3Astackage
23:54:50 <awpr> what do Haskell folks say?
23:54:50 <segfaultfizzbuzz> so i need elementFromEvents ?
23:55:05 <segfaultfizzbuzz> that i can just search on hoogle and my type transformation problems will be solved
23:55:38 <monochrom> I never said that.
23:55:39 <awpr> oh. I wouldn't say that, I rarely if ever use Hoogle. but that function looks plausible
23:56:01 <awpr> (and it constitutes giving up on streaming, at least partially, because it parses the whole document into one giant tree)
23:56:05 <segfaultfizzbuzz> elementFromEvents :: MonadThrow m => ConduitT EventPos o m (Maybe Element) rather complex type signature though
23:56:34 <segfaultfizzbuzz> ok... so... i can't do a streaming xml parse and filter then...?
23:56:49 <monochrom> "Element", "Event" are pretty popular names picked by unrelated library authors for unrelated things.
23:57:00 <awpr> eh, par for the course for Conduit functions. it's a conduit that eats all of the EventPos and builds an Element or fails
23:57:08 <monochrom> Consider the equivalent of "Test -> Run"
23:57:21 <segfaultfizzbuzz> i actually wanted to stream a zip file (i think bz2 to be exact), unzip the zip stream, parse the xml stream, grab particular elements, and then do a simple calculation on those
23:57:38 <segfaultfizzbuzz> so... give up on conduit...?
23:57:50 <monochrom> Literally all of my students (there are 50+) call their programs "test" or "run".
23:57:54 <awpr> conduit is still providing value there, in the chunk-wise streaming of compressed data and parse input
23:58:26 <awpr> that's the "partially": the whole document is loaded into memory, but there's potentially streaming throughout the parse process
23:58:31 <monochrom> I'm pretty sure every streaming library will give you type errors.
23:59:53 <segfaultfizzbuzz> i was actually partially understanding the documentation here, i think https://hackage.haskell.org/package/streamly-0.1.0/docs/Streamly-Tutorial.html

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