Logs on 2022-09-20 (liberachat/#haskell)
| 00:00:58 | <edrx> | a function that will look like my other 5-minute hacks, and that will show a bunch of elisp hyperlinks that perform useful operations with, or related to, cabal, either on the full list of packages or on an individual package... and I am looking for suggestions |
| 00:06:54 | <edrx> | here's a screenshot of one of these 5-minute hacks in action: https://i.ibb.co/82nZJQB/sshot.png |
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| 00:25:49 | <edrx> | I'm playing with a barebones prototype. |
| 00:27:09 | <edrx> | question: I've run "cabal install hoogle", and it installed 137 packages - including hoogle |
| 00:28:33 | <edrx> | but when I run "cabal list --installed" it lists only 33 packages, and that list doesn't include hoogle... what I am doing wrong? |
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| 00:34:40 | <sm> | edrx: cabal list only shows packages which provide a library; packages providing only executables are not shown |
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| 00:35:36 | <edrx> | sm: how do I list them? |
| 00:35:53 | <sclv> | also i think that may only list global packages not those in the store? |
| 00:35:55 | <sm> | or am I wrong. Check the docs for cabal list maybe |
| 00:35:58 | <edrx> | btw, here is the list of packages that were installed... |
| 00:36:32 | <edrx> | https://0x0.st/oVe1.txt |
| 00:37:00 | <sclv> | edrx: the key thing is that “installed” packages isnt very meaningful with v2 cabal because they’re managed transparentntly in a cache/store |
| 00:37:01 | <sm> | meta: how do you find the list command at https://cabal.readthedocs.io/en/stable/ ? |
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| 00:38:18 | <sm> | (it's missing, I think) |
| 00:39:13 | <sclv> | i think it is too |
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| 00:43:20 | <sclv> | edrx: ghc-pkg --package-db=/MYHOMEDIR/.cabal/store/ghc-9.2.1/package.db list |
| 00:45:05 | <sclv> | cabal list --installed --package-db=[SAME PATH] also works |
| 00:45:24 | <sclv> | basically old cabal installed into the "user db" which is used by ghc-pkg and cabal-list by default |
| 00:45:56 | <sclv> | new cabal installs into the "store" which those don't see normally, and is like a "special package db on steroids that can have multiple copies of the same package at the same version with different settings" |
| 00:46:11 | <edrx> | sclv: neat!!! thanks! |
| 00:46:17 | <edrx> | screenshot of my prototype: https://i.ibb.co/3vC2W9M/sshot.png |
| 00:46:42 | <sclv> | oh nice. |
| 00:47:30 | <sm> | I replicated edrx's issue, and failed at getting it working with sclv's suggestion |
| 00:47:34 | <sclv> | like i mentioned though, the store is sort of special because those aren't "ambient" packages you'll see at a fresh repl. its more like a cache of the packages that won't get installed for you if you need them, because they're already there. only the ones that show up in the initial command you tried will appear in a plain repl |
| 00:48:04 | <sclv> | sm: i tried both commands on my machine, so i know they work. note however that you can't use tilde syntax in the package-db path for, uh, reasons? |
| 00:48:15 | <sclv> | also no spaces around the = |
| 00:48:23 | <edrx> | I used $HOME |
| 00:48:31 | <sclv> | pure functional programming, no problem! modern options parsing, good luck buddy! |
| 00:48:42 | <sm> | ah, right. It must be $HOME not ~ |
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| 00:49:54 | <sm> | why didn't cabal pick that package db by default, since I'm not in a project and that's the ghc version in PATH ? |
| 00:50:16 | <edrx> | I don't understand cabal well enough yet... I am trying to write a function find-cabal-links that will be useful to newbies of several degrees of newbieness |
| 00:50:31 | <edrx> | and it will include links to relevant parts of the manual |
| 00:50:31 | <sclv> | because its the store, not a normal db |
| 00:50:47 | <sclv> | and because that command was written before the store existed lmao |
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| 00:52:01 | <sm> | I think cabal list --help needs to say more about --installed, at least |
| 00:52:13 | <sclv> | in general our commands that are not v2 prefixable are not very store aware nor is our ecosystem surrounding cabal |
| 00:52:27 | <sclv> | i agree a patch improving this would be very welcome |
| 00:52:53 | <sm> | today I learned "store" /= "package db", I wonder if the manual explains the difference |
| 00:53:08 | <edrx> | me too |
| 00:54:26 | <geekosaur> | package db is what ghc uses, look at the ghc-pkg command |
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| 00:55:50 | <geekosaur> | store is cabal specific, and is where installed packages are kept. they are not in a package db, because they may conflict with each other. instead, cabal builds a package db per (v2) project and ensures that only packages compatible with the build plan are visible via that package db |
| 00:57:39 | <geekosaur> | you dont normally need to worry about the store; cabal manages it for you |
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| 00:58:06 | <geekosaur> | (or the package db, for that matter, unless you're running cabal in v1 mode) |
| 00:58:09 | <sm> | obviously not volunteering myself because it's a lot work, but a systematic audit and update of command and flag help would help cabal a lot |
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| 01:02:13 | <sm> | geekosaur: that makes sense, thanks |
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| 01:03:10 | <sclv> | vis a vis an audit and update of the docs, there's been a log of work, but its been ad-hoc. doing it systemtically would be v nice |
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| 01:19:29 | <edrx> | https://i.ibb.co/q7VkWfG/sshot.png |
| 01:20:03 | <edrx> | I will use this hack until I find good one-liners that are not very long =/ |
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| 01:33:38 | <edrx> | is there a ghc-pkg (sub)command that converts hoogle-5.0.18.3 to ~/.cabal/store/ghc-8.8.4/hoogle-5.0.18.3-02ff1aace7b08654ae79d77489ebb9c95fdbb163fe6bc4f2758ba8671b51d69f/? |
| 01:34:13 | <edrx> | or the pair ("8.8.4", "hoogle-5.0.18.3-02") to that dir name |
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| 01:36:34 | <edrx> | ah, I had an idea - one sec |
| 01:40:38 | <geekosaur> | there's a way to get it but I'm not finding a way to access the package db created by cabal, even using cabal exec |
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| 01:42:03 | <geekosaur> | ("ghc-pkg <pkgname> field library-dirs" should do it, I think) |
| 01:42:13 | <edrx> | trying! |
| 01:42:22 | <geekosaur> | but I still can |
| 01:42:35 | <geekosaur> | t get it to look at cabal's generated package db, only the global one |
| 01:43:18 | <geekosaur> | probably a question for sclv |
| 01:43:24 | <geekosaur> | or for #hackage |
| 01:43:45 | <edrx> | geekosaur: fantastic! this works: ghc_pkg field hoogle library-dirs |
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| 01:44:01 | <edrx> | where ghc_pkg runs ghc-pkg with this extra argument: |
| 01:44:21 | <edrx> | --package-db=/home/edrx/.cabal/store/ghc-8.8.4/package.db |
| 01:44:51 | <geekosaur> | huh. I ran it from a cabal project I have locally and it didn't |
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| 01:53:39 | <edrx> | hmm, a few minutes ago I ran something that showed all the fields for hoogle - I don't know it was a file or if it was dynamically generated... do you remember how to get that? |
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| 01:54:35 | <geekosaur[m]> | ghc-pkg describe ? |
| 01:55:28 | <edrx> | geekosaur[m]: exactly! thanks =) |
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| 02:01:51 | <edrx> | another similar question... |
| 02:02:03 | <edrx> | is there a way to convert "hoogle" to ~/.cabal/packages/hackage.haskell.org/hoogle/5.0.18.3/hoogle-5.0.18.3.tar.gz ? |
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| 02:06:10 | <Clinton[m]> | can someone demistify for me the difference between `cabal build`, `cabal new-build` and `cabal v2-build`? |
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| 02:09:35 | <glguy> | Clinton[m]: years ago there was an old build system, a new one was implemented, it was temporarily called new-build and more permanently v2-build |
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| 02:09:38 | <glguy> | now you just use "build" |
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| 03:12:48 | <edrx> | hoogle working locally! thanks all! |
| 03:12:53 | <edrx> | and gnight =) |
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| 03:17:17 | <sm> | speaking of hoogle.. is anybody using Dash/Zeal to browse haskell docsets ? Any comparisons with using cli/web hoogle ? |
| 03:17:22 | <tvandinther> | Hi everyone. I've got a type I've defined which is a structure of some state and a bunch of functions which act on the state. So heaps of `MyStruct -> MyStruct` which I'm composing. I now want to include a detail about what kind of state changed happened. So I defined a new data type like `data Transformation = A | B | C`. Now my functions should |
| 03:17:22 | <tvandinther> | be modified from `MyStruct -> Mystruct` to `MyStruct -> MyStructUpdate` where MyStructUpdate requires a `Transformation` in its constructor to specify what transformation took place. Naturally I would like to continue to compose these functions so am I right to try to use a monad for this? |
| 03:18:05 | <EvanR> | so, you want "type state" |
| 03:19:06 | <EvanR> | which would stop the functions from composing under some circumstances, which can be good |
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| 03:20:26 | <tvandinther> | Googling "type state" and having a brief read it does seem like that I am describing. Essentially storing some metadata about the state alongside the state. |
| 03:20:44 | <EvanR> | launch :: MyStruct Unsafe -> MyStruct Unsafe |
| 03:21:00 | <EvanR> | releaseSafety :: MyStruct Safe -> MyStruct Unsafe |
| 03:21:22 | <EvanR> | doMaintenance :: MyStruct Safe -> MyStruct Safe |
| 03:21:54 | <EvanR> | no way to bring it back after releasing safety |
| 03:21:59 | <EvanR> | no way to launch without releasing safety first |
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| 03:22:53 | <EvanR> | it's like a game with well defined moves decided by you ahead of time |
| 03:23:11 | <tvandinther> | I'm not sure if thats in my requirements though. Initially I was going to add a field to store the transformation but I wanted to ensure that a transformation was given each time so opted for a new type constructor. |
| 03:23:39 | <tvandinther> | Although I could do a larger refactor in that vein. |
| 03:23:42 | <EvanR> | you can guarantee several kinds of usage |
| 03:23:56 | <EvanR> | doesn't have to have that exact pattern I used as an example |
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| 03:24:59 | <EvanR> | it can get complicated fast though |
| 03:25:35 | <tvandinther> | To be more explicit, lets say we had a record to describe a chess board. What if with each board I wanted to include a move which put the board in that state |
| 03:26:18 | <tvandinther> | The move made isn't important for the function which makes the next move but is important for some output log |
| 03:26:24 | <EvanR> | ok, you can define the entire space of states a chess board can have in the type |
| 03:26:50 | <EvanR> | like, my example was basically a boolean |
| 03:27:10 | <EvanR> | a chess board has somewhat larger space of states |
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| 03:27:45 | <tvandinther> | Limiting scope further, what if we didnt use the type system to prevent illegal moves |
| 03:28:09 | <tvandinther> | just about grouping last move data with board states |
| 03:28:34 | <EvanR> | I'm lost, are we not talking about the type system at all |
| 03:28:40 | <EvanR> | you just want to add more data |
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| 03:29:44 | <tvandinther> | yeah, I want to add more data but enforce that the data is given with the transformation. So a function may be `moveRook :: Board -> Board` which can be composed but then we lose information that the Rook was moved |
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| 03:30:29 | <tvandinther> | so instead I would make it `moveRook :: Board -> BoardAndMove` where BoardAndMove requires the move and the board in the constructor |
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| 03:30:58 | <EvanR> | do you want to accumulate the history of moves in the type |
| 03:31:05 | <tvandinther> | but I still want to do `moveRook . moveRook`, which led me to think about using monadic binding `moveRook =<< moveRook` |
| 03:31:08 | <tvandinther> | no accumulation |
| 03:31:29 | <EvanR> | Board -> BoardAndMove just doesn't compose |
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| 03:32:13 | <tvandinther> | The logic for the bind would be throw away the last move and apply the function to the board |
| 03:32:14 | <EvanR> | Board hist1 -> Board hist1 -> Board (hist1 ++ hist2) does |
| 03:32:33 | <EvanR> | so you want to put 1 move in the type |
| 03:32:39 | <EvanR> | at most 1 |
| 03:34:25 | <EvanR> | none of this really sounds like monads tbh |
| 03:34:43 | <tvandinther> | Yeah, only 1. At the end of it I'm using scan to produce a list of states but I want to know which moves produced those states |
| 03:35:25 | <EvanR> | why don't use ... use the actual moves as the data then |
| 03:35:43 | <EvanR> | Move -> Board -> Board |
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| 03:36:50 | <EvanR> | note the types are thrown away before runtime so you can't just access them as part of an algorithm. Unless you bring in type class shenanigans |
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| 03:38:28 | <tvandinther> | It's possible I'm looking for the solution to the wrong problem. At the top level I have `playGame :: Board -> [Moves] -> [Board]` |
| 03:38:47 | <tvandinther> | Assume all moves are legal |
| 03:39:08 | <EvanR> | makes sense |
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| 03:39:49 | <tvandinther> | what I want to do is go through [Board] and print to the console the move which occurred and then print the board representation |
| 03:40:10 | <EvanR> | maybe you want to infer the move from the difference of two boards |
| 03:40:22 | <EvanR> | if that's even possible in chess |
| 03:40:34 | <EvanR> | otherwise, you have no choice but to keep the moves around |
| 03:40:57 | <tvandinther> | Sounds possible for chess. But not for blackjack. Idk why I went for the chess example when I'm literally writing blackjack |
| 03:41:10 | <EvanR> | ok, the XYZW problem continues xD |
| 03:41:14 | <tvandinther> | I guess I wanted to not have my solution dished to me haha |
| 03:41:32 | <EvanR> | a list of moves has strictly more information than a list of states |
| 03:42:03 | <tvandinther> | That's a good call. Maybe I shouldnt store states |
| 03:42:11 | <tvandinther> | Just event source them |
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| 03:43:55 | <c_wraith> | I'm getting the impression you're trying really hard to do everything at once, instead of looking into ways to break things down into steps. |
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| 03:49:20 | <tvandinther> | I reckon instead of having functions which perform moves like `Board -> Board` I can go into two functions. Many `Board -> Move` functions to encode the decisions and a `Move -> Board` function to apply the move to the board. |
| 03:49:47 | <tvandinther> | This way I can create a history of moves while recreating them easily using the `Move -> Board`. Is this a good approach? |
| 03:50:30 | <EvanR> | Board -> Board is the type for modifying a board |
| 03:50:51 | <tvandinther> | oh yes woops, `Board -> Move -> Board` for applying a move |
| 03:51:03 | <EvanR> | oof swap the dang arguments |
| 03:51:26 | <EvanR> | Board endomorphism... discrete dynamical system xD |
| 03:52:06 | <EvanR> | the type Move -> Board -> Board = Move -> (Board -> Board) makes it obvious you're decoding a Move into a ... "move" |
| 03:52:11 | <tvandinther> | Right, yeah I guess thats better. My mind is applying the previous state to a decision as opposed to applying the decision then the state |
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| 03:52:24 | <EvanR> | :t iterate |
| 03:52:25 | <lambdabot> | (a -> a) -> a -> [a] |
| 03:53:17 | <EvanR> | usually my rule of thumb is that the order of "arguments" in OOP is probably wrong xD |
| 03:53:19 | <tvandinther> | Yep, thats sensible with that example |
| 03:53:53 | <tvandinther> | verb subject, not subject verb? :) |
| 03:54:45 | <EvanR> | Move is a verb, Board -> Board is a verb, so Move -> (Board -> Board) is well kinded xD |
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| 03:55:46 | <tvandinther> | This is why I'm having so much fun learning Haskell. It makes me feel the way I did when I first learnt programming. |
| 03:56:00 | <tvandinther> | Everything you thought you knew is wrong lol |
| 03:56:06 | <EvanR> | yes! |
| 03:56:19 | <c_wraith> | that was the feeling I had, mostly. "hey, this is actually new." |
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| 03:57:22 | <c_wraith> | Though it's not that everything you know is wrong. It still matters. But the context is very different so it takes a long time to see the ways things align. |
| 03:57:36 | <tvandinther> | Lots of "hey this haskell thing is kinda like this OOP thing, except in this case. And oh, nah it's quite different actually hmm". The brain tries to correlate everything new to something it knows. Hard to fight it. |
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| 04:16:06 | <freeside> | so, like a fool, I went and implemented my own Tree-like type, auto-deriving Foldable and Traversable. Now I want to extract a flat list of all the leaf elements. I could write a recursive function to grope through the constructors myself, but is there some easier way to do that using the Foldable / Traversable typeclasses? |
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| 04:16:59 | <glguy> | toList? |
| 04:18:55 | <freeside> | trying ... i thought i'd tried that already, i wonder why i concluded it didn't work. let me have another go |
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| 04:24:06 | <freeside> | ah. like the man said: "i got a fever, and the only prescription is more fmap" |
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| 04:30:56 | <EvanR> | :t fmap fmap fmap |
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| 05:57:29 | <[Leary]> | `fmap` is Haskell's 'buffalo'. |
| 05:57:33 | <[Leary]> | :t fmap fmap fmap fmap fmap fmap fmap fmap |
| 05:57:34 | <lambdabot> | (Functor f1, Functor f2, Functor f3) => (a -> b) -> f1 (f2 (f3 a)) -> f1 (f2 (f3 b)) |
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| 08:20:56 | <Athas> | When was GHC2021 first supported? GHC 9.2? |
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| 09:12:38 | <akegalj> | Athas: looks like it was ghc 9.2.1 according to release notes https://www.haskell.org/ghc/blog/20211029-ghc-9.2.1-released.html |
| 09:13:02 | <Athas> | Is there a way to specify a minimum GHC version in the .cabal file? |
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| 09:16:18 | <maerwald[m]> | Athas: yes, base constraint |
| 09:18:41 | <Athas> | That still produces a difficult-to-understand error message, doesn't it? |
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| 09:21:36 | <akegalj> | Athas: I see there are some conditionals you could use like impl(compiler) https://cabal.readthedocs.io/en/3.4/cabal-package.html?highlight=pkg-config#conditions but I don't have experience with them |
| 09:23:16 | <Athas> | I can force an impossible dependency with an unsupported GHC version, but I doubt that will lead to a user-friendly error message either. |
| 09:23:17 | <akegalj> | maybe you can hack something with these |
| 09:23:32 | <Athas> | Oh well. I'll just use default-extensions instead of default-language. |
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| 10:55:49 | <dminuoso> | Is there a name for trees where not every node has an associated value? |
| 10:56:50 | <thyriaen> | dminuoso, birches i think |
| 10:57:45 | <thyriaen> | sorry - i couldn't resist |
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| 11:19:19 | <tdammers> | it wouldn't surprise me if that was the actual name |
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| 11:35:11 | <Tronchy> | Hello there. I'm trying to complete the exercices from typeclassopedia, basically reimplementing some instances of typeclasses already in the prelude. I can't test my code because these result in duplicate instance declaration. Is there a way to tell ghc to ignore duplicate instance declarations ? |
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| 11:51:15 | <lortabac> | Tronchy: can't you just rename your classes? |
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| 11:51:15 | <lortabac> | for example append a single quote or underscore |
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| 11:51:15 | <Tronchy> | Do you mean delaring `Functor' = Functor` and then implementing that ? |
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| 11:51:15 | <ski> | yes, Tronchy |
| 11:51:15 | <ski> | (well, `class Functor' f where fmap' :: (a -> b) -> (f a -> f b)', or somesuch) |
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| 11:51:15 | <ski> | hm, or i guess you could hide `Functor' when importing `Prelude' |
| 11:51:15 | <ski> | import Prelude hiding (Functor (fmap)) |
| 11:51:15 | <ski> | class Functor f |
| 11:51:15 | <ski> | where |
| 11:51:15 | <ski> | fmap :: (a -> b) -> (f a -> f b) |
| 11:51:15 | <Tronchy> | Thank you. That means I won't have access to syntactic sugar such as `<$`, but that will do. |
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| 11:51:15 | <ski> | you could define `(<$)' yourself, if you want it |
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| 11:51:16 | <lortabac> | when I do these reimplementation exercices I generally use Italian names, like 'class Funtore f where' |
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| 11:51:16 | <lortabac> | no ugly quotes/underscores and no name clashes :) |
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| 11:51:16 | <ski> | :p |
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| 11:51:16 | <ski> | another variant i've seen is to prefix things with "my" |
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| 11:51:16 | <mniip> | my<$> |
| 11:51:16 | <kuribas> | or use newtypes? |
| 11:51:16 | <kuribas> | newtype MyList a = MyList [a] |
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| 11:51:16 | samhh_ | is now known as samhh |
| 11:51:16 | <Tronchy> | I went with `Functor_`, and I get an example that compiles. Thank you all for your help. |
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| 12:43:24 | <tomsmeding> | Guest61: mapMaybe id |
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| 12:55:24 | <ski> | @type catMaybes |
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| 13:04:46 | <tomsmeding> | good point |
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| 14:08:15 | <kuribas> | :t foldMap maybeToList |
| 14:08:17 | <lambdabot> | Foldable t => t (Maybe a) -> [a] |
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| 14:10:21 | <ski> | @type foldMap . (maybeToList .) |
| 14:10:22 | <lambdabot> | Foldable t => (a1 -> Maybe a2) -> t a1 -> [a2] |
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| 14:48:19 | <kuribas> | :t toListOf _Just |
| 14:48:21 | <lambdabot> | Maybe b -> [b] |
| 14:48:34 | <kuribas> | :t toListOf (traverse . _Just) |
| 14:48:35 | <lambdabot> | Traversable t => t (Maybe b) -> [b] |
| 14:48:42 | <kuribas> | :t toListOf (traverse . traverse) |
| 14:48:43 | <lambdabot> | (Traversable t1, Traversable t2) => t1 (t2 a) -> [a] |
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| 15:27:07 | <k`> | Is there any way to use a function that returns an opaque struct (not a pointer) with the FFI? |
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| 15:29:44 | <geekosaur> | you need a wrapper. C doesn't specify how structs are returned, and there's no guarantee their memory is still allocated after the function returns |
| 15:30:19 | <geekosaur> | so you need to allocate memory for it, copy the struct into it, return the pointer, and arrange for the pointer to be freed when no longer needed (see ForeignPtr) |
| 15:31:57 | <k`> | OK, thanks. |
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| 15:35:34 | <k`> | Ah so no capi. |
| 15:35:55 | <geekosaur> | capi doesn't help here |
| 15:38:34 | <geekosaur> | C doesn't define an api for struct returns, so there's no reliable way to access them from other languages |
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| 15:39:23 | <geekosaur> | raku tried to support it for a while, then they discovered that the storage for the struct changed in difficult to characterize ways on ARM |
| 15:40:06 | <geekosaur> | (they did figure out something that mostly worked on linux x86, but iirc it wasn't portable to *bsd much less windows) |
| 15:40:10 | <k`> | Oof. |
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| 15:51:07 | <sclv> | would like a recommendation for the tiniest smallest lowest dep footprint http "server" around. |
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| 15:53:47 | <kayvank> | How can I add my locally generated haddocs to my local hoogle database? |
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| 15:56:44 | <lortabac> | @hackage acme-http -- sclv |
| 15:56:44 | <lambdabot> | https://hackage.haskell.org/package/acme-http -- sclv |
| 15:57:40 | <sclv> | lortabac: perfect! this has a practical use case -- we have a long running server process and want to configure consul to do liveness checks on it, but consul's liveness checks are apparently _only_ http requests lmao? |
| 15:58:45 | <lortabac> | :) |
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| 16:01:30 | <lortabac> | sclv: more seriously, is warp tiny enough for you? |
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| 16:08:31 | <sclv> | warp is the furthest thing from tiny in my mind! its a full fledged and seriously implemented http server |
| 16:08:36 | <sclv> | it just has a minimal interface :-) |
| 16:08:49 | <sclv> | (its dep footprint is actually quite substantial!) |
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| 16:28:01 | <geekosaur> | I think modern browsers pretty much force servers to be non-minimal these days? |
| 16:28:02 | <sclv> | this wouldn't be for a browser, it would be to respond to a curl ping. (but also i see that there's actually a ton more ways to configure consul liveness checks so this was not a necessary errand apparently, whoops) |
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| 18:30:22 | <Athas> | I wrote a Megaparsec function that feels mildly sinful: https://github.com/diku-dk/futhark/blob/984d0b53f1fe40bf163fa83c20a851747efc4ed7/src/Futhark/CLI/Literate.hs#L283-L289 |
| 18:30:42 | <Athas> | Can anyone think of non-ideological reasons why this function is bad? |
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| 18:43:47 | <EvanR> | other than there might be a megaparsec routine that already does that, maybe |
| 18:44:42 | <Athas> | It's probably also slow, but I'm not going to use it in a performance-critical setting. |
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| 18:53:27 | <EvanR> | so ExceptT e m is a MonadFail. ... If m is |
| 18:54:06 | <EvanR> | so I can't just add ExceptT to a StateT and use pattern matching fail |
| 18:54:37 | <ski> | @kind ExceptT Void |
| 18:54:39 | <lambdabot> | (* -> *) -> * -> * |
| 18:54:40 | <EvanR> | actually my pattern match can't fail, making this more annoying xD |
| 18:55:46 | <ski> | use `let', i guess |
| 18:56:42 | <EvanR> | works... |
| 18:57:00 | <ski> | hm, iirc Idris has something like `<pat> <- <act> else <act>' |
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| 19:02:20 | <EvanR> | @where paste |
| 19:02:21 | <lambdabot> | Help us help you: please paste full code, input and/or output at e.g. https://paste.tomsmeding.com |
| 19:03:33 | <EvanR> | I'm doing something dumb but it can't fail heh https://paste.tomsmeding.com/TpMppwgy |
| 19:03:56 | <EvanR> | in this particular place, the switch table "variable" can't be Nothing |
| 19:04:22 | <EvanR> | but old may be |
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| 19:05:37 | <EvanR> | since you may not be in a switch statement |
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| 19:06:53 | <ski> | i guess one version would be to add a GADT flag saying whether you're in a switch |
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| 19:07:28 | <ski> | (not sure it'd be worth it, though) |
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| 19:09:27 | <EvanR> | nope! xD |
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| 19:23:59 | <lyle> | If I'm using cabal, and I have a test-suite where I haven't included any version numbers in the test-suite's build-depends, is there a way to find out what versions of the libraries cabal has pulled in? Maybe something like "stack ls dependencies" but for cabal. |
| 19:25:38 | <geekosaur> | take a look at cabal-plan |
| 19:26:08 | <geekosaur> | (there's a json file with the information but it's not human-digestible unless you like futzing with jq) |
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| 19:30:36 | <lyle> | geekosaur: thanks, it wasn't in there but it gave me the idea to try "grep -Ri state-machine" in the dist-newstyle directory and the version was is some other file. |
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| 20:12:31 | <sclv> | cabal gen-bounds might work too? |
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| 20:18:11 | <lyle> | gen-bounds doesn't seem to look at the test-suite though; it congratulates me that all my dependencies have upper bounds but my test-suite doesn't have any bounds at all, unless I just don't know how to use gen-bounds. |
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| 20:51:17 | <xgpt[m]> | is this bridged with the Matrix room? |
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| 20:51:37 | <mastarija> | xgpt[m]: if you are on matrix, then yes :) |
| 20:52:13 | <xgpt[m]> | I think I'm on Matrix, but I didn't see this message on the Matrix channel I have open |
| 20:52:42 | <mastarija> | Any idea why `ghci -imodule1:module2 module1/Script.hs` won't load module 1 or 2? |
| 20:52:49 | <mastarija> | xgpt[m]: I'm on IRC |
| 20:53:02 | <xgpt[m]> | I'm very confused |
| 20:53:04 | <mastarija> | So if we are communicating then I'd guess it is bridged. |
| 20:53:15 | <mastarija> | If you are on matrix |
| 20:53:33 | <xgpt[m]> | oh, I mean there's a Haskell matrix room as well |
| 20:55:07 | <mastarija> | xgpt[m]: I'm not sure what you are asking anymore. I'm saying if you are on matrix, and you can see my messages then it is bridged because I'm on IRC channel |
| 20:55:27 | <xgpt[m]> | yes, I'm not, I think I've got it |
| 20:55:45 | <mastarija> | Ok, then we don't know if it is bridged. |
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| 20:55:56 | <mastarija> | Probably not if you are not seeing my messages on matrix |
| 20:56:23 | <xgpt[m]> | yeah, I just got that |
| 20:56:41 | <xgpt[m]> | major duh moment on my side, thanks for putting up with my silliness |
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| 21:03:13 | <geekosaur> | xgpt[m], the matrix #haskell room (#haskell:matrix.org) is not bridged with this channel |
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| 21:03:29 | <mastarija> | Any idea why ghci seems to be ignoring the -i flag? |
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| 21:04:50 | <mastarija> | Oh.. I know why |
| 21:05:01 | <mastarija> | 'Cause I'm an idiot |
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| 21:18:44 | <edrx> | hi all! |
| 21:19:10 | <edrx> | do you consider the book "Real World Haskell" as a good reference/tutorial? |
| 21:20:02 | <edrx> | I am trying to write a function "pipeThrough" that would behave like this: |
| 21:20:23 | <glguy> | Perhaps not for a beginner; I think you'll need to know enough Haskell when reading it to fix up the examples to work again |
| 21:20:26 | <edrx> | pipeThrough "tac" "a\nbb\nccc\n" |
| 21:20:39 | <edrx> | would return "ccc\nbb\na\n" |
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| 21:21:14 | <edrx> | "fix up" in the sense that many examples don't work in the current version of Haskell? |
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| 21:23:28 | <edrx> | I've read half of Hutton's "Programming in Haskell" but I only started to do things that, aham, "require non-trivial libraries" a few days ago... |
| 21:25:48 | <edrx> | aaah, I think I found a good way to formulate one of my main questions... suppose that you had to write a program in Haskell that had to called an external program to process data |
| 21:26:02 | <edrx> | where would you look for examples of how to do that? |
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| 21:26:34 | <Guest50> | How do I get doom emacs to work nicely with stack? |
| 21:27:20 | <edrx> | yesterday I got hoogle working here, so now I can find the source files that define functions with promising names, and I'm reading their docs |
| 21:27:23 | <glguy> | edrx: for invoking external executables and feeding them inputs and reading their outputs the library to look at is https://hackage.haskell.org/package/process |
| 21:27:33 | <edrx> | Guest50: what's happening? |
| 21:28:41 | <edrx> | glguy: yes, I'm trying to read a local copy of that - in ~/bigsrc/ghc-8.10.3/libraries/process/System/ |
| 21:31:51 | <Guest50> | The REPL only looks at the cabal file to figure out dependencies. It doesn't detect when the package.yaml file is updated with new dependencies and doesn't look there at all |
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| 21:34:58 | <edrx> | hmm, this looks good: https://hackage.haskell.org/package/pipes-4.3.16/docs/Pipes-Tutorial.html |
| 21:35:04 | <Guest50> | What I want is for doom emacs to use the stack repl when I am in a stack project. however, this doesn't happen |
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| 21:38:55 | <dmj`> | Guest50: are you using haskell-mode ? |
| 21:39:50 | <dmj`> | haskell-mode tries to detect the type of project you're in, then invokes the corresponding command, ghci, cabal repl, stack ghci, etc. |
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| 21:41:28 | <Guest50> | yes |
| 21:41:30 | <dmj`> | Guest50: M-x customize, then type "process type" and you can set it from the Value menu. |
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| 21:42:09 | <dmj`> | restart haskell-interative (or emacs), next time you do C-c C-l, haskell interactive mode will invoke the chosen command that you set. |
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| 21:46:53 | <ski> | there are a few different streaming packages, including `pipes',`conduit',`machines',.. (i'm likely forgetting some here) |
| 21:46:58 | <ski> | edrx ^ |
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| 21:47:27 | <edrx> | another beginner question... how do I write a simpler version of the program here - https://hackage.haskell.org/package/pipes-4.3.16/docs/Pipes-Tutorial.html#g:2 - that only yields a single multiline string - "a\nbb\nccc\n" - and then yields an eof? |
| 21:49:11 | <Guest50> | dmj` i think that worked. Thanks! |
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| 21:49:35 | <ski> | edrx : if you mean a `pipes' `Producer', then i guess you'd just use `getContents' (or a strict version of that, if you prefer) |
| 21:51:10 | <ski> | `stdinAll = do str <- lift getContents; yield str' or `stdinAll = yield =<< lift getContents' |
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| 21:52:09 | <edrx> | ski: thanks!!! I will try that right after a walk with doggy =) |
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| 21:54:57 | <ski> | <https://hackage.haskell.org/package/strict-0.4.0.1/docs/System-IO-Strict.html#v:getContents> is a strict version. there are also versions giving `ByteString', and `Text' |
| 21:55:14 | <dmj`> | Guest50: nice, cheers. |
| 21:55:36 | <dmj`> | lazy IO is my favorite streaming library |
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| 21:57:06 | <dmj`> | edrx: check out streamly too, its the fusion internals of vector as a library. |
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| 21:59:36 | <ski> | edrx : there are some caveats/frowns with "Lazy I/O", like `getContents'/`hGetContents',`readFile',`interact' .. e.g. if there are I/O errors these will happen when the values are used (rather than during an explicit I/O operation which you might have installed an exception handler for. there is `evaluate' (often used with `seq' or `deepSeq' or `rnf') to help with such things). and it's hard to predict |
| 21:59:42 | <ski> | when/if the I/O will happen exactly. this is one of the main reasons why streaming libraries like `pipes' were developed, to get more predictability, in cases where that's needed/desired |
| 21:59:51 | <ski> | dmj` : what's the package name of the former ? |
| 22:00:36 | <ski> | (or were you just referring to `getContents' and friends ?) |
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| 22:12:25 | <edrx> | I need to write a way to htmlize sexp hyperlinks like this one: (find-cabal-links "kan-extensions") |
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| 22:13:41 | <edrx> | aha - <a href="https://hackage.haskell.org/package/kan-extensions">kan-extensions</a> |
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| 22:22:22 | <ski> | .. with URI encoding ? |
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| 22:24:05 | <edrx> | ski: ? |
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| 22:25:08 | <ski> | hm, now i'm not sure if package names can legally contain characters which would need to be percent encoded |
| 22:25:49 | <edrx> | I'll fix that as soon as I have a link that doesn't work =) |
| 22:25:57 | <tvandinther> | I'm getting the error of "File name does not match module name" but I want my structure to be like `Dir > File.hs` with the module being `Dir.File`. If this pattern isn't the way things are done, how else would I group related modules in a directory? |
| 22:26:21 | <ski> | (oh, i should probably also have mentioned `unsafeInterleaveIO', which is the "mother of Lazy I/O". i don't consider it anyway near the same level of "unsafe" (which unfortunately is a rather nebulous attribute) as say `unsafePerformIO' .. `unsafeInterleaveST', however, *is* more dangerous, in the sense of breaking equational reasoning) |
| 22:27:17 | <ski> | tvandinther : are you running the compiler from within that directory ? |
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| 22:31:21 | <ski> | % let unsort :: [a] -> [a]; unsort xs = runST (do ref <- newSTRef xs; mapM (\_ -> unsafeInterleaveST (do x:xs <- readSTRef ref; writeSTRef ref xs; return x)) xs) |
| 22:31:21 | <yahb2> | <no output> |
| 22:31:29 | <ski> | % unsort "abcd" |
| 22:31:29 | <yahb2> | "abcd" |
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| 22:31:34 | <ski> | % reverse (unsort "abcd") |
| 22:31:34 | <yahb2> | "abcd" |
| 22:31:51 | <ski> | % let xs = unsort "abcd" in (last xs,xs) |
| 22:31:51 | <yahb2> | ('a',"bcda") |
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| 22:34:00 | <tvandinther> | ski I'm using `stack build` from the root where the package.yaml is located |
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| 22:35:24 | <ski> | tvandinther : i think what you're aiming for ought to work .. but i don't know Stack |
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| 22:45:04 | <sm> | tvandinther: there's a few ways to get this wrong.. if your project isn't public, maybe comparing with the result of `stack new temp` will help |
| 22:45:23 | <geekosaur> | we both just missed them |
| 22:45:38 | <geekosaur> | (I was going to ask for them to pastebin their package.yaml) |
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| 22:46:53 | <sm> | ack.. matrix bridge not showing join/leave reliably just now |
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