Logs on 2022-10-26 (liberachat/#haskell)
| 00:00:48 | <dolio> | But only for those. |
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| 00:40:46 | <zzz> | how can we check if a project has unused or redundant imports? |
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| 00:42:24 | <zzz> | i kind of remember doing this in the past |
| 00:42:47 | <geekosaur> | ghc -Wunused-imports |
| 00:43:17 | <geekosaur> | maybe -Wdodgy-imports |
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| 00:44:44 | <geekosaur> | no, not the "dodgy" one |
| 00:45:13 | <zzz> | where do i run that command? |
| 00:45:37 | <zzz> | i have a cabal project |
| 00:45:51 | <geekosaur> | you probably just do "ghc-options: -Wunused-imports" |
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| 00:46:19 | <zzz> | of course |
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| 03:58:30 | <c_wraith> | monochrom: I thought there were some perl constructs that are ambiguous statically - you have to run the program to parse them correctly. |
| 04:02:15 | <c_wraith> | oh. 4 hours late to the conversation. whatever. |
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| 04:06:19 | <jackdk> | c_wraith: https://perlmonks.org/?node_id=663393 |
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| 17:19:00 | <alexfmpe[m]> | is PatternGuards Haskell98 ? |
| 17:19:00 | <alexfmpe[m]> | https://ghc.gitlab.haskell.org/ghc/doc/users_guide/exts/pattern_guards.html only mentions the negative version and claims it's Haskell98 but clicking on Haskell98 shows a list missing PatternGuards, it's included in -fglasgow-exts which would suggest not? |
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| 17:21:12 | <c_wraith> | I don't think it was. But I do think it's Haskell2010. (my memory is not reliable on these details, but they are what I remember) |
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| 17:24:17 | <c_wraith> | testing with ghci... pattern guards work without warning with -XHaskell2010, but trigger a warning (and yet still work) with -XHaskell98 |
| 17:24:47 | <c_wraith> | So I'd say that ghc accepts them but tells you it's not supposed to, with -XHaskell98 |
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| 17:26:40 | <alexfmpe[m]> | weird, I can define `f !x = x`, and get a warning not an error, but can't invoke it: `Variable not in scope: f :: t0 -> t` |
| 17:29:05 | <[exa]> | alexfmpe[m]: depending on the extensions you might be defining (!) |
| 17:29:28 | <alexfmpe[m]> | oh heh lemme see |
| 17:29:34 | <[exa]> | do you have BangPatterns? |
| 17:30:28 | <alexfmpe[m]> | riiight, the warning is actually "missing-space-after-bang" |
| 17:30:29 | <alexfmpe[m]> | Did you forget to enable BangPatterns? |
| 17:30:29 | <alexfmpe[m]> | If you mean to bind (!) then perhaps you want |
| 17:30:29 | <alexfmpe[m]> | to add a space after the bang for clarity. |
| 17:30:58 | <alexfmpe[m]> | > 1 ! 2 |
| 17:30:58 | <alexfmpe[m]> | 2 |
| 17:31:00 | <lambdabot> | error: |
| 17:31:00 | <lambdabot> | • Could not deduce (Ix i0) |
| 17:31:00 | <lambdabot> | from the context: (Ix i, Num i, Num (Array i e)) |
| 17:31:49 | <alexfmpe[m]> | ok so it looks like bangpatterns are not haskell98, and that particular doc is wrong |
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| 17:32:27 | <tomsmeding> | alexfmpe[m]: bangpatterns is not even Haskell2010, it's a ghc extension |
| 17:33:18 | <alexfmpe[m]> | oh wth |
| 17:33:36 | <alexfmpe[m]> | I got BangPatterns and PatternGuards all mixed up |
| 17:33:44 | <tomsmeding> | those are not the same thing ;) |
| 17:33:57 | <[Leary]> | alexfmpe[m]: That link isn't saying PatternGuards is in Haskell98, it's saying NoPatternGuards is. That's the answer to your question. Re BangPatterns ... Well, they're GHC2021. |
| 17:34:02 | <tomsmeding> | pattern guards is `f | Just x <- something = another x` |
| 17:34:32 | <alexfmpe[m]> | ok yeah I was just confused |
| 17:34:34 | <alexfmpe[m]> | https://ghc.gitlab.haskell.org/ghc/doc/users_guide/exts/strict.html#bang-patterns-informal |
| 17:34:50 | <alexfmpe[m]> | indeed, not even haskell2010, only ghc2021 |
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| 17:51:25 | <zzz> | is there a better way of avoiding ambiguous fromList than qualifying imports? |
| 17:52:25 | <[exa]> | unlikely |
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| 17:53:11 | <[exa]> | ..mmmmmmaybe someone made a typeclass from all stuff that can be built from a list... |
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| 17:53:39 | <[exa]> | and yeah, there's one right here https://hackage.haskell.org/package/universum-1.8.1/docs/Universum-Container.html#t:FromList |
| 17:54:30 | <[Leary]> | There's also Unfoldable. |
| 17:54:34 | <tomsmeding> | 'universum' kinda sounds like 'acme-everything', and that class sounds super prone to pulling in tons of deps just to provide instances |
| 17:55:02 | <tomsmeding> | though I see they were restrained in that, which is good |
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| 18:04:57 | <[Leary]> | Actually, I'm not so sure that class even ultimately enables a fromList; I was going off the name alone---since Foldable is pretty much the `toList` class. |
| 18:06:35 | <yrlnry> | Hi folks. I am modifying a fairly complex Stack `package.yaml` file. I want to have a `when:` block to select the array of GHC options, as in https://pastebin.com/GaXzX0Nr . This works, but the two lists of options have substantial overlap that I would like to eliminate. |
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| 18:07:22 | <yrlnry> | I have learned that there is no YAML standard feature for merging two arrays, but that this is sometimes supported by individual YAML processors. Is there anything like this in the YAML processor used by Stack, which I think is Data.YAML? |
| 18:07:22 | <sm> | yrlnry: can you just declare the common options at top level ? |
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| 18:07:51 | <yrlnry> | I may be mistaken, but I think that when I do that, the `ghc-options` in the `when` block overrides the definition at the top level. |
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| 18:08:36 | <sm> | I expect so.. but that's ok ? declare common/default options at top, and override as necessary in when: ? |
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| 18:09:09 | <yrlnry> | How would I do that? |
| 18:09:37 | <yrlnry> | (At present I only know how to override the entire list of strings.) |
| 18:10:39 | <sm> | ghc-options:... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/4330b2797e83bcdd5cd54bc0ea0fb88e1ee8e7af>) |
| 18:10:49 | <sm> | * ```... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/dc4f93730a76dfcb00589b66c2f60940b8381065>) |
| 18:11:06 | <sm> | * ```... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/fc5558e62f359918c4918f58bbb243e9ecb8d69e>) |
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| 18:11:20 | <yrlnry> | If I do that, then when the condition is true, I get `-some-option` _only_, I think. |
| 18:11:31 | <sm> | * ```... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/09753f23f2958bf3f0129bdbaf080bff8d6dc01f>) |
| 18:11:53 | <sm> | multiple ghc-options: are additive I think |
| 18:12:38 | <yrlnry> | I can give it another try. Let me see if I can come up with a specific problem case. |
| 18:12:58 | <sm> | or look at a bunch of package yamls, I bet you'll see this pattern quickly |
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| 18:13:25 | <yrlnry> | I have not been able to find any examples that do anything similar to what I am trying to do. Can you suggest one? |
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| 18:15:01 | <sm> | excerpt from hledger/package.yaml:... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/e15f63088b7396516713ec1b6ec038e41524d4cd>) |
| 18:15:19 | <yrlnry> | Yes, you're right, it is merging the `ghc-options` lists. |
| 18:15:26 | <yrlnry> | I wonder why IO thought it wasn't? |
| 18:15:56 | <yrlnry> | Is there a way to get Stack to dump out its final configuration after processing the `package.yaml` file? |
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| 18:16:36 | <sm> | certain flags might be mutually exclusive to ghc, even if merged by hpack |
| 18:17:05 | <sm> | I think a quick way is `stack build -v ...` and look at the command line generated |
| 18:19:50 | <yrlnry> | I see now why I thought it wasn't merging. The top-level `ghc-options` has `-Wno-missing-safe-haskell-mode` but with my when-block in place I get many errors pertaining to error: `[-Wmissing-safe-haskell-mode, -Werror=missing-safe-haskell-mode]` |
| 18:19:51 | <sm> | re your original q, yes it is possible to use yaml's include feature (see hpack docs), but seems overkill here |
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| 18:23:07 | <yrlnry> | It supports include, but I'm not sure it does what I want. I have only seen `!include` used in conjunction with `<<:`. But `<<:` only works with dictionaries, there is nothing like it for sequences. |
| 18:23:31 | <sm[i]> | ok |
| 18:24:36 | <sm[i]> | sorry for all the paste links, I forgot I was in #haskell not #Haskell |
| 18:25:07 | <yrlnry> | I can find API documentation for Data.Yaml but not anything describing what it actually parses. (https://hackage.haskell.org/package/yaml-0.11.8.0/docs/Data-Yaml.html ) |
| 18:25:19 | <yrlnry> | No problem, I appreciate you taking the time to help me. |
| 18:27:27 | <yrlnry> | I think your pointing out that the `ghc-options` sections are actually merged is enough to solve my problem. Thanks very much. |
| 18:28:04 | <sm> | np |
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| 20:20:13 | <habib> | hey, does anyone know if ghcup installs man pages? it claims to on the user-guide, but i can't see them on my system |
| 20:20:24 | <habib> | i've made sure MANPATH is empty when installing ghc with ghcup |
| 20:20:34 | <habib> | i can't see any manpages in the share directory of where the ghc is installed |
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| 20:47:01 | <sm> | habib: #haskell-ghcup will know |
| 20:47:57 | <habib> | ah, i searched for ghcup in the channels list and got zero results; i've literally just finished opening an issue on the issue tracker |
| 20:48:05 | <habib> | https://gitlab.haskell.org/haskell/ghcup-hs/-/issues/425 |
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| 20:48:46 | <sm> | 👍️ |
| 20:48:55 | <habib> | appreciate you posting the channel; i'll check it out tomorrow if the issue gets no response |
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| 22:18:48 | <SrPx> | https://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/yeae50/hvm_the_parallel_functional_runtime_will_soon_run/ |
| 22:18:58 | <SrPx> | Haskell on GPUs soon? |
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| 22:55:50 | <zzz> | can anyone remind me of the name of the function that returns the full name of a character? |
| 22:58:43 | <zzz> | maybe i'm thinking of Data.Char.generalCategory |
| 22:59:00 | <zzz> | thought there was something more specific |
| 23:00:30 | <geekosaur> | https://hackage.haskell.org/package/text-icu-0.8.0.2/docs/Data-Text-ICU-Char.html#v:charName ? |
| 23:01:19 | <Axman6> | SrPx: Accelerate has been a thing for over a decade |
| 23:02:20 | <SrPx> | Axman6: no, the point is to run arbitrary Haskell programs on the GPU. As in, literally anything. Not just a map over a buffer or similarly restricted cases |
| 23:02:34 | <Axman6> | yeah that's pretty cool, reading now |
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| 23:05:19 | <Axman6> | their QSort example is strange, both programs mention an argument "pivot" but don't define it |
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