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01:44:12 <Umeaboy> Hi!
01:45:10 <Umeaboy> In theory, would it be possible to rebuild dependencies for ghc to another distro that also uses rpm?
01:46:03 <Umeaboy> Because I'm thinking about how I'm supposed to build an rpm for Mageia if ghc is installed in a non Mageia way.
01:46:46 <Umeaboy> I tried to change BuildRequires: ghc to /usr/bin/ghc as I've linked the ghc binary to /usr/bin/ghc
01:47:00 <Umeaboy> That should work.
01:47:06 <Umeaboy> But it doesn't.
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02:05:33 <johnjaye> if i get an error about getDirectoryContents and openDirStream, is that the haskell way of saying a file was not found?
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02:07:03 <Umeaboy> johnjaye: Can you see the files where they are expected to be?
02:08:55 <johnjaye> i have no idea what isn't expected. i can show you the build output. it's an agda test. i was trying to do the agda compile hello world example and it failed
02:09:08 <johnjaye> https://dpaste.com/2NULH5LGB
02:09:46 <johnjaye> as best i can tell it creates a local build dir, then complains that build dir doesn't exist in /usr/share. which makes no sense to me. i should probably learn more about how ghc and haskell builds binaries so i can solve this kind of thing in the future
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02:18:05 <johnjaye> if you want to reproduce it it's easy. just search 'agda manual' and copy paste the hello-world.agda example
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03:19:50 <mauke> https://hackage.haskell.org/package/directory-1.3.8.0/docs/System-Directory.html#v:listDirectory
03:20:16 <mauke> > * isDoesNotExistError The directory does not exist. `[ENOENT, ENOTDIR]`
03:20:19 <lambdabot> <hint>:1:1: error: parse error on input ‘*’
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03:27:02 <mauke> johnjaye: I haven't used agda before, but https://github.com/agda/agda/issues/4250#issuecomment-882292309 looks relevant
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03:32:02 <johnjaye> well i mostly just wanted to know the basics
03:32:10 <johnjaye> like. is it invoking ghc to do the native compilation?
03:34:28 <mauke> from what I can tell: no, because of the other error
03:36:16 <mauke> also, can't reproduce. it just says agda: command not found
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03:41:22 <johnjaye> well. how did you install it. with cabal?
03:42:09 <mauke> install what?
03:42:14 <johnjaye> agda.
03:42:24 <johnjaye> you said you can't reproduce it
03:42:27 <mauke> I didn't
03:42:42 <mauke> "just search 'agda manual' and copy paste the hello-world.agda example" is what I did
03:42:54 <johnjaye> well right. but you have to have agda to test it...
03:43:09 <johnjaye> either from cabal or from the distro or git. those are the only 3 ways to install it
03:43:26 <mauke> how did you install it?
03:43:53 <johnjaye> from debian. sudo apt-get install agda and maybe agda-stdlib also
03:44:09 <johnjaye> i think the cabal command is 'cabal install Agda'. not sure if cabal is case senstivie or not
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04:07:32 <johnjaye> well at least that thread shows i'm not the only one having issues with it
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05:26:45 <Inst> wait
05:26:57 <Inst> is this actually accurate as to what Standard Chartered is really doing with haskelll / mu?
05:26:58 <Inst> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23621080#23624598
05:27:05 <Inst> it sounds like they're just using it as a better Python ;)
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13:27:30 <Joao003> i'm reading "Learn You a Haskell for Great Good!"
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13:28:53 <johnjaye> right now i'd appreciate equally "Learn you the syntax for ghc and the various support library locations". heh
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13:29:23 <Joao003> lol
13:30:25 <Joao003> i'm reading it in learnyouahaskell.com
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17:55:37 <slaydr> Is there a special channel I should use for QuickCheck questions? Or is this the channel?
17:56:18 <sm> this is the one
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18:00:12 <slaydr> ok. i would like to test a cipher. I need two generators. One that will give me variable lists of alpha characters only. One that will give me variable lists of ascii characters only. Do those generators already exist in Test.QuickCHeck? Sorry, very new QC user
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18:06:06 <c_wraith> Nothing is built in for those, but they're pretty easy to create your own
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18:10:24 <slaydr> thanks c_wraith. That narrows down my task
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18:28:14 <Joao003> there is almost no situation where you want to zip more than 4 lists
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19:09:15 <mastarija> Is it possible to make a pattern synonym like this one: pattern MkPosed (Pose v ori) obj = Posed v (Oriented ori obj)
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19:09:56 <mastarija> Where I can construct a new value on the left side by shuffling the stuff on the right side and vice versa
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19:14:21 <[exa]> mastarija: why not?
19:15:02 <mastarija> Ghc is complaining about the parentheses near Pose
19:15:35 <[exa]> you might need the bidirectional syntax
19:15:38 <mastarija> So I thought I've misunderstood something
19:15:44 <Joao003> wait what
19:15:52 <mastarija> Yes, I've tried this as well
19:15:59 <mastarija> just a sec I'll get the example
19:15:59 <[exa]> see here https://ghc.gitlab.haskell.org/ghc/doc/users_guide/exts/pattern_synonyms.html at the place where they add 'where' af...ah okay
19:16:05 <[exa]> that should work though no?
19:17:40 <c_wraith> I think it should work with the =.
19:18:10 <c_wraith> It's probably a good idea to tell us what the actual error message is
19:18:40 <[exa]> mastarija: I think you'll need to use patterns in the 'where' section to deconstruct the Pose "manually"
19:18:45 <mastarija> pattern MkPosed{ Pose v ori, obj } <- Posed v (Oriented ori obj) where MkPosed{ Pose v ori, obj } = Posed v (Oriented ori obj)
19:19:07 <mastarija> Here it complains "parse error on input 'Pose'"
19:19:39 <mastarija> and with this: pattern MkPosed (Pose v ori) obj = Posed v (Oriented ori obj)
19:19:57 <mastarija> it says "parse error on input ‘(’"
19:20:11 <[exa]> I think you're forcing it to patternmatch a pattern
19:20:14 <[exa]> lemme try
19:20:38 <mastarija> Yes, I am. I thought this might be a problem, but then again, I thought it would be intuitive to work.
19:20:58 <mastarija> Or rather, it seemed logical :)
19:21:26 <mastarija> Pose is just a simple data constructor
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19:21:30 <c_wraith> Oh, I see the issue.
19:21:41 <c_wraith> That doesn't even mean anything
19:21:52 <mastarija> It does to me :)
19:21:55 <Joao003> replace Pose v ori with ori :: Pose v
19:22:48 <c_wraith> No, it really doesn't mean anything. pattern definitions define patterns that work like constructors.
19:23:18 <c_wraith> Just like how in data constructors, you just specify the number and types of fields
19:23:19 <mastarija> So... no fancy functions?
19:23:32 <c_wraith> you don't specify that a particular field must be a particular constructor
19:24:37 <mastarija> Hm... any other way to achieve this?
19:24:49 <c_wraith> I don't know, because I don't know what you mean for it to do
19:25:57 <mastarija> Make life a bit easyer so I don't have to manually construct `Pose` when I'm deconstructing `Posed`
19:26:22 <c_wraith> But I don't know what that means
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19:27:59 <c_wraith> that sounds like a thing you can do with a pattern synonym, but you need to make the entry on the left-hand side look like a pattern
19:28:41 <[exa]> mastarija: I think I found it
19:28:44 <mauke> pattern Tuple{ fst, snd } = (fst, snd) -- hmm
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19:30:21 <mastarija> [exa]: :)
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19:31:16 <[exa]> mastarija: looks like it needs ViewPatterns
19:31:25 <[exa]> https://gitlab.haskell.org/ghc/ghc/-/wikis/pattern-synonyms#explicitly-bidirectional-pattern-synonyms
19:31:54 <mastarija> pattern MkPosed p obj <- ((^._posedPose) &&& (^._posedObj) -> (p,obj)) where MkPosed p obj = mkPosed p obj
19:32:10 <mastarija> yeah, this seems to be working
19:32:14 <Joao003> uh oh
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19:32:54 <[exa]> mastarija: does that go both ways?
19:33:17 <[exa]> ah yeah the other one is in the mkPosed fn
19:33:27 <mastarija> Yes, that's just a helper
19:33:29 <[exa]> cool
19:34:05 <Joao003> how does that work?
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19:36:41 <[exa]> Joao003: inserting patterns into other patterns
19:37:24 <Joao003> pattern matching inside pattern matching?
19:37:26 <mastarija> ViewPatterns are like pattern guards, so we check if this function constructed using arrow syntax results in a particular pattern
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20:15:49 <Joao003> guys why is this not working
20:15:58 <Joao003> trying to implement inits by myself
20:16:30 <Joao003> > zipWith take [0..] "hi"
20:16:33 <lambdabot> error:
20:16:33 <lambdabot> • Couldn't match type ‘Char’ with ‘[a]’
20:16:33 <lambdabot> Expected type: [[a]]
20:17:37 <Clint> what are the two arguments to zipWith?
20:17:48 <Clint> s/two/three/
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20:20:40 <mauke> that's a map, not a zipWith
20:22:21 <Joao003> > inits "hi"
20:22:22 <lambdabot> ["","h","hi"]
20:22:29 <Joao003> should produce that
20:23:34 <Clint> so what you're expecting zipWith take [0..] "hi" to do is [take 0 "hi", take 1 "hi", take 2 "hi"] ?
20:23:41 <geekosaur> :t zipWith take [0…]
20:23:42 <lambdabot> error:
20:23:42 <lambdabot> A section must be enclosed in parentheses thus: (0 …)
20:23:51 <geekosaur> :t zipWith take [0..]
20:23:53 <lambdabot> [[a]] -> [[a]]
20:24:00 <geekosaur> note the type
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20:26:23 <Joao003> OH.
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20:28:52 <Joao003> > zipWith take [0..] . replicate (1 + length "hi") $ "hi"
20:28:53 <lambdabot> ["","h","hi"]
20:29:03 <Joao003> just need a replicate
20:29:18 <anatta> @let f xs = zipWith take [0 .. (length xs - 1)] (repeat xs)
20:29:19 <lambdabot> /sandbox/tmp/.L.hs:164:1: error:
20:29:19 <lambdabot> Multiple declarations of ‘f’
20:29:19 <lambdabot> Declared at: /sandbox/tmp/.L.hs:160:1
20:29:25 <anatta> @let f' xs = zipWith take [0 .. (length xs - 1)] (repeat xs)
20:29:27 <lambdabot> Defined.
20:29:39 <mauke> that seems silly
20:30:06 <anatta> it is
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20:34:22 <Joao003> As I'm doing code golf I shortened it down to this:
20:34:44 <Joao003> > (\l->zipWith take[1..].replicate(1+length l)$l) "hi" -- golfed function!
20:34:45 <lambdabot> ["h","hi","hi"]
20:34:49 <Joao003> wait what
20:34:51 <Joao003> nooo
20:34:57 <Joao003> > (\l->zipWith take[0..].replicate(1+length l)$l) "hi" -- golfed function!
20:34:59 <lambdabot> ["","h","hi"]
20:35:42 <Joao003> even more golfed:
20:36:21 <Joao003> > (\l->zipWith take[0..(length l)]l)"hi"
20:36:23 <lambdabot> error:
20:36:23 <lambdabot> • Couldn't match type ‘Char’ with ‘[a]’
20:36:23 <lambdabot> Expected type: [[a]]
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20:37:07 <Joao003> > (\l->zipWith take[0..(length l)](repeat l))"hi"
20:37:09 <lambdabot> ["","h","hi"]
20:37:42 <mauke> > (\l->map(`take`l)[0..length l])"hi"
20:37:44 <lambdabot> ["","h","hi"]
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21:12:22 <hololeap> I'm curious if Set.foldr' and Set.foldl' behave differently apart from what direction they go. since Set is always finite I would assume not?
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21:13:42 <pja> hololeap: in what sense might they behave differently apart from the direction?
21:13:58 <pja> (presumably the direction is based on the ordering of the set?)
21:14:12 <hololeap> well, with lists you run into gotchas in the event that it's an infinite list
21:14:37 <hololeap> I think the answer is pretty obvious, but sometimes I have to ask in order to see that ;)
21:14:43 <pja> Yes, but Set is finite by definition?
21:15:11 <pja> I might be missing something, but I think your intuition is correct here :)
21:17:42 <hololeap> also, does this seem like a good implementation of unzip for Set? http://sprunge.us/8qTtfD
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21:19:15 <hololeap> I guess unzip for Set is kind of a weird concept. might be code smell there
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21:21:01 <hololeap> seeing how `unzip (fromList [(0,0), (0,1), (0,2), (0,3)])` == `(fromList [0], fromList [0,1,2,3])`
21:22:00 <hololeap> I'm working on an unfamiliar codebase and trying to see if I can replace some lists with Sets
21:23:27 <hololeap> thank the gods for HLS
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21:28:31 <hololeap> they're passing around tuples of [FilePath] like no tomorrow...
21:29:08 <hololeap> at least make some newtypes...
21:29:18 <hololeap> or comments... sigh
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21:34:13 <anatta> Joao003, mauke: not that I think you really care (especially not 1h later), but if you want short **and** almost reasonable looking :p
21:34:18 <anatta> f xs = [take n xs | n <- [0..length xs]]
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21:39:09 <c_wraith> anatta: you can probably find a lazier way to do that, which will work for an infinite input
21:39:15 <boxscape_> I'm compiling GLSL shaders using template haskell, but they are in separate (non-.hs) files. Is it possible to somehow tell ghc that this module needs to be recompiled whenever those shader files change?
21:39:55 <boxscape_> okay actually I'm *planning* to compile them using TH, I haven't actually done it yet
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21:47:54 <c_wraith> boxscape_: https://hackage.haskell.org/package/template-haskell-2.19.0.0/docs/Language-Haskell-TH-Syntax.html#v:addDependentFile
21:48:10 <boxscape_> c_wraith cool, thank you
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