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01:41:24 <quietbk> Hey everyone, I'm trying to learn the Cont monad and having trouble finding a good resource. Any recommendations?
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01:45:25 <hpc> not quite a "resource", but what i found helped more than finding the "right" explanation was just getting good at mentally erasing the Cont/runCont visual noise
01:46:14 <hpc> so you get simpler definitions like pure x = ($ x)
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01:52:38 <quietbk> Thanks for the tip, I'll have a play. I was reading into Cont a couple of months ago and got a limited understanding of it. It would be good to see some simple examples or use cases.
01:53:28 <c_wraith> FWIW, I've never needed to understand Cont, in roughly... 15 years of using Haskell.
01:54:03 <c_wraith> I've used it on occasion, but I've never bothered understanding it. (Haskell is fun)
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01:58:39 <quietbk> That's good to know! I'm a Cardano developer and currently using a eDSL called Plutarch that implements a monad called TermCont that is pretty much the same as Cont.
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02:41:03 <monochrom> quietbk: Try my http://www.vex.net/~trebla/haskell/cont.xhtml
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03:11:29 <quietbk> monochrom Wow looks fantastic, I'll give it a read. Many thanks!
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07:33:25 <Athas> Neat, GHC 9.6 is out. Does anyone have experience with the WASM backend?
07:33:39 <Athas> Can it actually handle medium-size programs? Do they run at acceptable speed?
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07:34:32 <Athas> I see "challenges related to Template Haskell". I use it very little myself, but some of my dependencies probably do.
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07:39:22 <c_wraith> The big obstacle I have is that you need a different build of GHC for different runtime targets still. That's pretty much going to stop me from using it.
07:42:04 <Athas> Yes, that will definitely also keep me from any production use, but I might still play with it if it's otherwise reasonably stable.
07:42:21 <Athas> Incidentally, I never understood why so many compilers make cross-compilation so much of an ordeal.
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08:15:32 <[exa]> Athas: assumptions about target architecture leak very easily
08:20:40 <[exa]> btw what does the "different runtime target" mean with the WASM?
08:20:55 <[exa]> I thought there's one wasm and that's it?
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08:39:50 <c_wraith> [exa]: I mean you can't use the same ghc that produces binaries for your operating system to compile for WASM. And compiling to javascript is a third ghc.
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08:49:46 <Athas> [exa]: sure, but that explains why compilers don't support more than one target,t not why one compiler *build* only supports one target.
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08:50:43 <Athas> I wonder if it's a historical thing. Older compilers tend to be worse at cross-compiling. But in the past, we had many more platforms of interest, so I don't see why they were designed that way...
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08:55:11 <[exa]> Athas: re build vs compiler options, it's actually the same-- global assumptions are better manipulated with compiler/preprocessor flags than by passing them around at runtime
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08:56:51 <[exa]> and then you have the usual toolchain problem where 1 crosscompiler actually means 50 different binutils and 10 compilers, all of which quite hefty, and the different builds are just better engineering at that point
08:57:17 <[exa]> I'm not a fan of that either, tho. :]
08:57:39 <[exa]> c_wraith: ah so ok thanks
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15:04:21 <eldritchcookie[m> i missed the link for the hackage version patched to work with latest ghc master could someone send it here?
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15:06:57 <tomsmeding> eldritchcookie[m: https://ghc.gitlab.haskell.org/head.hackage/ ?
15:08:13 <eldritchcookie[m> yeah this one thanks
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18:42:00 <slack1256> Has anyone used the non-moving GC for soft realtime system like games? I am wondering how feasible is now ghc with it.
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18:46:45 <davean> slack1256: so did you actually have GC pause time problems to begin with?
18:48:46 <geekosaur> you may want to try 9.6 for that, there were a bunch of improvements to non-moving GC
18:49:08 <geekosaur> (" - Significant latency improvements in the non-moving garbage collector" in the announcement; doesn't seem to be in the release notes)
18:50:10 <davean> none of the game like stuff I've done has had a large enough working set that the non-moving GC was an improvement, its things like my web servers which have enough data to walk to cause latency that it helped.
18:50:16 <c_wraith> slack1256: It doesn't look like Defect Process is using the non-moving GC
18:50:18 <davean> of course some of this comes down to good box planning
18:50:35 <c_wraith> slack1256: https://incoherentsoftware.com/defect-process/docs/
18:50:52 <c_wraith> whoops, I got that backwards
18:50:58 <c_wraith> my own link contradicts me!
18:51:04 <c_wraith> well, there you go. someone did it!
18:51:10 <slack1256> I wanted to try nikki and the robots with the the new GC, but it is taking time to make it compile hehe.
18:51:29 <c_wraith> Though it does say "That flag isn't critical however, the default --copying-gc behavior is also fine in testing (< 1 ms pauses)."
18:52:52 <slack1256> c_wraith: Nice! an anecdote like this was what was looking for.
18:52:54 <davean> So when you allow framerates well over 60FPS you can start getting frame pacing variation on ~0.5ms delays, it depends on your target
18:54:01 <c_wraith> any delay can slow you down, depending on how much of your time budget you're already spending between frames.
18:54:06 <davean> c_wraith: It says that, but its SLIGHTLY more accurate to say it has to do not with how many GiB, but with how many boxes there are.
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18:55:23 <davean> Your game state can reasonable contain only a few dozen boxes in many cases.
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18:57:38 <davean> You can also throw your render trigger off to a thread outside the RTS perview
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19:01:23 <slack1256> davean: You mean a separated process?
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19:06:52 <c_wraith> maerwald: on the latest ghcup, when removing an old version of cabal "After removing GHC you might also want to clean up your cabal store at: /home/username/.cabal/store/ghc-3.8.1.0"
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19:07:00 <davean> slack1256: no
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19:07:34 <davean> slack1256: https://downloads.haskell.org/ghc/latest/docs/users_guide/exts/ffi.html#guaranteed-call-safety
19:08:41 <slack1256> Oh, gotcha
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19:21:09 <davean> slack1256: Also be aware of https://hackage.haskell.org/package/ghc-compact-0.1.0.0/docs/GHC-Compact.html
19:21:42 <davean> slack1256: You can keep MOST things in a game away from the GC
19:21:50 <davean> *this is good with or without non-moving GC*
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19:23:31 <davean> slack1256: That making sense?
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19:40:11 <slack1256> davean: Yeah
19:40:37 <davean> Games can often have EXTREMELY low GC loads
19:43:11 <Ashkan> Hello everyone. I'm struggling to capture a requirements, quite possibly could be that I'm approaching this the wrong way:
19:43:12 <Ashkan> I have a function `a -> m ()`. I want to express this `m` should be able to be "converted" into an `IO` so essentially there should be a function `mToIO :: forall b. m b -> IO b`. I'm having a very difficult time finding a type class that expresses this. I've found `MonadBase` which is too general for this and `UnliftIO` which says it does exactly
19:43:12 <Ashkan> this but reading its docs makes me feel like this is not what I'm trying to say ...
19:43:41 <Ashkan> I'm looking for the exact opposite of `MonadIO` in a way
19:43:48 <davean> MonadIO m => a -> m ()
19:43:50 <slack1256> Ashkan: Does that m has IO at the base of the monad stack?
19:44:03 <davean> wait
19:44:05 <davean> forall b?
19:44:11 <slack1256> or is m not a monad stack?
19:44:16 <davean> I mean how is this the opposite of MonadIO?
19:44:49 <davean> oh sorry!
19:44:54 <davean> I completely misread
19:45:05 <davean> Wow, time to step away from the comptuer and take a nap
19:45:47 <davean> Ashkan: So only SOME monacs can do that
19:45:53 <slack1256> Ashkan: For example, if you monad stack is `StateT Int IO a` you have the `runStateT` function to obtain a `IO (Int, a)` at the end.
19:46:08 <slack1256> But this is because your monad stack had IO at the bottom.
19:46:42 <Ashkan> slack1256 Okay, let me answer this way (and maybe my answer shows what I'm missing): there is abs. nothing known about `m :: * -> *`. It's just the parameter of the function. I want to say this `m` can be converted into an `IO` ... but I'm vaguely understanding that doesn't make much sense without knowing anything about the inner structure of `m`
19:46:43 <Ashkan> ...
19:47:32 <davean> t doesn't make *any* sense
19:47:45 <davean> There are a very few which it can work for
19:47:51 <davean> and some it can be made to work for unsafely
19:47:59 <davean> and some it could never, ever, ever be made to work for
19:48:18 <slack1256> Ashkan: There is `MonadUnliftIO` on https://hackage.haskell.org/package/unliftio-core-0.2.1.0/docs/Control-Monad-IO-Unlift.html .
19:48:44 <slack1256> It is *not* probably what you want. Most people want to run something in IO because of exception handling, not domain semantics.
19:49:16 <slack1256> So having something that can be converted to IO, usually says there is something odd on your domain modelling.
19:49:21 <Ashkan> Okay, maybe help me understand what is it I'm missing here:
19:49:22 <Ashkan> I am kinda sorta understanding there should be an `IO` somewhere, otherwise you can't get an `IO` out. Right ?
19:49:45 <c_wraith> Things with sensible implementations of `m a -> IO a` tend to be essentially IO and Identity.
19:50:03 <Ashkan> but for example `Maybe ~ IO` could be easily implemented , no ?
19:50:12 <davean> c_wraith: ... reader?
19:50:12 <c_wraith> Not unless you're throwing exceptions
19:50:21 <c_wraith> davean: no, Reader wants some sort of input value
19:50:22 <slack1256> Ashkan: If you map Nothing to an IO exception then sure.
19:50:30 <davean> c_wraith: Sure, but it can be wrapped up
19:50:50 <Ashkan> actually no, what to do with `Nothing` ? throw an exception for sure but what exception exactly ?
19:51:02 <c_wraith> davean: then you don't have a single canonical instance like you'd want for a class...
19:51:20 <davean> c_wraith: I was thinking reflection
19:51:33 <davean> It would be messy but I think I could make it not borked
19:51:34 slack1256 will stop talking, it is only adding noise to this discussion. Plus it is on better hands.
19:51:47 <c_wraith> amusingly, I have *just* been working on something that sort of gives you an (m a -> IO a) function.. but only if you set it up ahead of time
19:51:53 <Ashkan> Okay. Let me ask this way :  the fact that `m` needs an `IO` somewhere in the stack is a detail that the constraints need not to know or expose.
19:51:58 <Ashkan> Like `LiftIO`
19:53:44 <c_wraith> I *still* don't know if there's an equivalent to this on hackage already or not. So I haven't uploaded yet. But here, this is funny. https://github.com/chowells79/shuttle/blob/main/src/Control/Shuttle.hs
19:53:48 <Ashkan> Imagine there is `class MyToIO m`. Then either you can instance it for your `m` or not. But there is no such class in de-facto packages that I can find which leads me to believe I'm doing something wrong from a deeper level. I'm trying to understand that root mistake I'm making
19:55:27 <geekosaur> maybe look at the limitations on UnliftIO?
19:56:50 <geekosaur> in particular, it can't be used with a state monad because there's no way to pass the current state to the IO. but your MyToIO is even worse as you can't even preserve a Reader across it
19:57:30 <geekosaur> in short, MyToIO loses everything in m aside from the IO
19:58:16 <geekosaur> which is why it only makes sense for IO (identity transform) or Identity (no information to lose)
19:59:20 <geekosaur> that said, I'm still unclear as to what you want, which suggests to me that maybe so are you and you need to come back after thinking this through a bit more
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20:01:04 <Ashkan> Maybe if I take a few steps back tell you guys what it is I'm trying to do :
20:01:05 <Ashkan> I have a `m ()` which I want to fork. In Scala I would say `Spawn m =>  ...` (https://typelevel.org/cats-effect/api/3.x/cats/effect/kernel/GenSpawn.html) but in Haskell there is only `forkIO` so now I'm either forced to monomorphised `m` to `IO` *or* stay parametric but somehow find a way to convert the `m` to `IO` so I can fork
20:01:51 <c_wraith> Create a class specifically for things that can fork reasonably.
20:01:52 <geekosaur> this sounds like UnliftIO so far; if you need a state you would set it up in the thread, since it can't be shared anyway
20:02:08 <c_wraith> can StateT s IO fork reasonably? who knows! depends on your requirements
20:02:58 <c_wraith> UnliftIO is essentially the class of Reader-like things. Those are about all that can blindly fork reasonably
20:03:15 <Ashkan> Okay, a bit different direction: why , on principle, there is no need for something  like , say, `MonadFork` in Haskell ?
20:03:33 <c_wraith> the only things it would be reasonable for are IO, Identity, and Reader
20:03:39 <Ashkan> Why there is no need to abstract over the capability of "forking" monads ?
20:03:51 <c_wraith> Whether anything else can fork reasonably depends on your actual requirements
20:03:59 <c_wraith> that's why there's no such class
20:04:30 <Ashkan> Okay. So there is no other IO monad than the `IO` in Haskell, right ?
20:04:38 <Ashkan> no alternative to `IO`
20:04:40 <Ashkan> ?
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20:04:54 <geekosaur> what would an alternative do?
20:04:55 <Jade[m]1> what do you mean by that
20:05:02 <c_wraith> You can structure your program in terms of other stuff, but to actually run it has to eventually be converted to IO
20:05:04 <peutri> let's just say main is IO
20:05:56 <Ashkan> For example in Scala there is cats `IO`, there is `ZIO` and there is `Monix` and some experimental other *IO*s, each with their own pros and cons and they all e.g. implement `Spawn`
20:06:03 <Jade[m]1> `IO a` is basically `newtype IO a = #RealWorld -> (a, #RealWorld)`
20:06:16 <Franciman> can haskell describe first order logic in the type system level?
20:06:41 <c_wraith> Ashkan: all of that is because underneath it all, Scala is not pure. Anything can run any side effect. Those are all just convenient fictions on top of that.
20:07:14 <Ashkan> For example there is `UIO a` which is supposed to guarantee there would be no exceptions (not sure how it can achieve that but that's what it says:D  )
20:08:20 <Ashkan> Alright, so bottom line is : in Haskell there is only one way to do IO and that is the `IO` so no need to abstract over various aspects of it. Correct ?
20:09:17 <Jade[m]1> yes
20:10:09 <Jade[m]1> Jade[m]1: IO is nothing but something that hides the implementation of a function from the world to the world with additional structure
20:11:24 <slack1256> Franciman: With extensions you can get pretty close. We do have stock propositional logic on haskell. But we rely on free-theorems over parametricity to get more interesting results.
20:12:02 <slack1256> Dependent type languages have something that maps for first order logic with quantifiers.
20:12:23 <Franciman> ty
20:12:27 <Ashkan> Okay. But then in Yesod we have the `HandlerFor` monad and it happens that sometimes you need to do something in the background when responding to a request so Yesod has this `forkHandler` to do exactly that. I'm trying to achieve somewhat of the same thing, except my case its not really concrete monad, literally any `m` would do as long as I can
20:12:28 <Ashkan> find a way to fork it.
20:12:28 <Ashkan> What am I missing in my thinking ?
20:12:58 <Jade[m]1> What would forking a general monad do?
20:13:13 <Jade[m]1> I'm not sure what the action of "forking" in that context means
20:13:40 <Jade[m]1> can you give an example for what forking Just 1 or [1, 2, 3] for example would do
20:13:52 <geekosaur> `forkIO`
20:14:00 <Jade[m]1> Those are monads, so they should be able to be forked by your logic
20:14:37 <Ashkan> Jade[m]1 I don't know honestly (and I understand the point behind the question) but let me answer this way : I don't care what it exactly means for any `m` what "fork" means.  I assume there are certain *laws* that govern proper forking ?
20:15:30 <Jade[m]1> https://hackage.haskell.org/package/forkable-monad-0.2.0.3/docs/Control-Concurrent-Forkable.html
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20:16:44 <Ashkan> Jade[m]1 Ny your logic no class makes sense ever:)  `Functor` has laws. Whoever can keep those laws in their datatype can make an instance for `Functor`. Same with forking here as done in Scala (called `Spawn`) so very know that `[]` and `Maybe` are not forkable has not much to do with my question:)
20:17:56 <geekosaur> "laws" may be reading too much into things. `Num` has no real laws, it exists solely to make numbers behave the way people expect them to
20:18:22 <geekosaur> Use the numeric-prelude package if you want a `Num` with laws
20:18:36 slack1256 did not know about numeric-prelude, nice.
20:18:57 <Jade[m]1> Ashkan: What im saying is that it's probably *not every* monad then
20:19:03 <Jade[m]1> because that's what it sounded like you suggested
20:19:44 <Ashkan> geekosaur that's even more to my point. Exactly ! I don't want to be one who defined what it means to be (correctly) fork-able. I know this could be done and has been done (in another language) so I know that it doesn't make for `[]` and `Maybe` is not the reason I'm stuck in my situation:)
20:21:20 <Jade[m]1> but what else than IO is forkable?
20:21:30 <Ashkan> Jade[m]1 That was not my intention. I'm trying to switch from my Scala thinking into Haskell thinking. In particular, now that I can't abstract over the "fork"-ability, what are my options ? what I was thinking un-Haskell way to get myself in this situation etc:)
20:22:09 <Jade[m]1> If I'm honest im not really sure what you're asking for?
20:22:36 <Jade[m]1> do you have a code example where you need to fork something that is not an IO?
20:22:47 <Ashkan> Jade[m]1 My , admittedly very limited, understanding is that `IO` has a lot of capabilities, quite a few of which could be *thought* of as either totally orthogonal only weakly dependent.
20:22:55 <slack1256> Ashkan: forkIO $ flip runState initialState $ runReaderT initialParameter $ <something over your monad m>
20:23:00 <Ashkan> in Haskell this fact is not captured.
20:23:50 <Ashkan> So you have one `IO` that simple does everything you might every need for your I/O. In Scala this fact is captured in various type classes the `IO` implements.
20:23:51 <slack1256> In this case, you m is `StateT Int (ReaderT String IO) a`. You de-layer it until IO inside the forkIO.
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20:24:27 <geekosaur> yeh, one downside of Haskell IO is you can't sanely subdivide it. But the only reason Scala can is that the captures are ontop of an impure base that can do whatever it wants
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20:25:01 <geekosaur> so mthey sweep the problems with subdividing IO under the rug. We can't
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20:27:12 <Ashkan> For example being `Async` could be thought of as *separate* than being `Spawn` (fork-able). So you can write a function that only requires an `Async m` and not monomorphise (is this a word ?) it on `IO`.
20:27:13 <Ashkan> I'm trying to achieve the same effect in Haskell. I'm totally happy with "not possible". Just want to be sure I'm not missing something
20:28:11 <c_wraith> I think it might be worth looking at StateT s IO as an example. You can of course copy the current state into the new thread, but then.. is changing the state in one thread supposed to be visible in the other? It won't be with the StateT type, but maybe someone will expect it is, as the single-thread semantics of StateT say that all state changes propagate forward.
20:28:23 <Jade[m]1> all of that requires IO if I understand what you are asking right
20:28:35 <c_wraith> This is the kind of semantic mess that makes "forkable" a messy concept
20:28:39 <Ashkan> Okay. So if I every want to fork an `m ()` in my function, this means I *have* to make a function of `IO` ? do I get this part right ?
20:29:02 <davean> geekosaur: I would love more numeric-prelude usage, and I would love for it to be less Henning Thielemann
20:29:19 <c_wraith> davean: oh, is it a C and T package?
20:30:54 <davean> Yes
20:30:58 <Jade[m]1> Ashkan: again, what does forking an `m ()` mean?
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20:32:28 <Ashkan> Jade[m]1 it would mean one can carry out the computations in `m ()` somewhere else and continue with the next bind in the current stack
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20:33:39 <Jade[m]1> The fact that there seem to be computations in m essentially means m has to be IO
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20:33:51 <Jade[m]1> no other type contains computations
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20:36:41 <Ashkan> But again, I understand your point and again, this has been done in other languages so this particular question - although very interesting and important for whoever is defining "Forkable" - does not specifically help me here. I'm very content with the general vague common-sense meaning of forking things. I just don't want to say `IO` because I
20:36:41 <Ashkan> don't want anything else from `IO`. `IO` is too much for me
20:37:23 <Jade[m]1> IO captures an interaction with the outside world, a computation
20:37:38 <Jade[m]1> What do you mean by it being "too much"?
20:38:11 <monochrom> If Haskell's IO is too much, then every language's ()->() is also too much.
20:38:40 <monochrom> Everything you can do with Haskell's IO, you can do with every language's ()->().
20:38:43 <Jade[m]1> mhm
20:39:03 <Ashkan> But if in Haskell that's how one would think about I/O, then I'm perfectly content with that as well. Actually that *is* what I'm asking !
20:39:03 <Ashkan> "Is this how you think about I/O in Haskell ? if you need to *fork* it then its `IO` ?"
20:39:04 <Ashkan> My problem with your answer is that you are essentially saying "Yes it is" but then you reason about that "Yes it is" with arguments that to my very humble opinion are unsound :)
20:39:12 <mauke> the general meaning of forking is to clone a unix process
20:40:01 <Jade[m]1> Ashkan: Yes it is.
20:40:34 <Ashkan> monochrom not sure I follow. Although I would say Yes, `()->()` is too much for almost every case. What about it:)  ?
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20:43:19 <monochrom> If you want a free-of-IO "fork", you can consider par from GHC.Conc, and furthermore the useful utilities from the parallel package.
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20:44:10 <monochrom> This allows you to do for example (1+1) `par` (2+2) for computing 1+1 and 2+2 in two threads (hopefully).
20:45:30 <c_wraith> you need to be really careful with par and pseq. Using them well depends on understanding GHC's evaluation model pretty well.
20:45:41 <Ashkan> Jade[m]1 +1 to the "Yes it is". But then the actual question : why? Is it because there is nothing else that can do I/O in Haskell ? (already asked this, just making sure)
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20:47:55 <c_wraith> Ashkan: let's put it this way - when a haskell program is compiled, the entry point must be an IO action, and only things it depends on get executed.
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20:48:41 <Ashkan> monochrom c_wraith Ideally I want to say "any `m` that can fork" will do. But I'm understanding things a bit better now. I'm thinking like this now:
20:48:41 <Ashkan> In Haskell, if you want to fork then its `IO`. Okay this means *all the way* up to the top-level parent function, all of them are now `IO`. I'm not sure this cascade effect is actually required, but I can't think of another way ...
20:49:10 <c_wraith> well, the entry point is *always* IO.
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20:49:38 <c_wraith> that doesn't mean everything is IO, but it means everything must eventually fit into what that IO action does.
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20:50:42 <monochrom> I want to be able to "fork (getLine >>= putStrLn s)". No matter what type you propose for fork, therefore it must support terminal I/O.
20:50:55 <monochrom> And then I want to be able to "fork (openFile ...)".
20:51:01 <monochrom> The list goes on and on.
20:51:14 <Jade[m]1> Ashkan: I think of it like this:
20:51:14 <Jade[m]1> Your program is a tree of compositions. On the lowest level you have functions that operate on data in very simply ways, and every layer or parent node that composes these functions adds complexity.
20:51:14 <Jade[m]1> On the highest level you have `IO`, in which you compose the lower level functions in order to process the data that comes in.
20:51:53 <Jade[m]1> In that sense you can fork this highest level and parralelize the computations of the lower level - pure functions
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20:54:34 <monochrom> There are basically only 3 ways to support all those feature creeps that I demand. The simplest way is to be untyped (or dynamically typed) altogether. The 2nd simplest way is having one single IO type.
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21:04:43 <Ashkan> monochrom actually there are separate type classes for console operations and resources have their own type classes. If all it does is to interact with console and you want to fork it then `Console m, Fork m` would do. This line of reasoning doesn't get us far since this is already done in other languages and is working what it is supposed to do.
21:04:44 <Ashkan> That Haskell doesn't do this or doesn't need this is a totally separate argument. There is nothing with fine-grained capabilities when the language lends itself to it.
21:05:26 <Ashkan> Nothing wrong* with fine-grained  ...
21:06:12 <geekosaur> you can do fine-grained; it's combining sets of them that gets nasty
21:06:38 <monochrom> Yes that's the 3rd way. Idris actually does that.
21:06:49 <monochrom> And several Haskell webapp libraries do that.
21:07:23 <monochrom> The problem is then this: Everyone agrees to subdivide. Everyone disagrees on the actual subdivision.
21:07:26 <Ashkan> About that "all the way to the top should be *IO*" part :
21:07:26 <Ashkan> I have an `f ` calling `g` calling `h`.  Inside `h` I fork something. This means `g` and `h` should be `IO` as well, no ?
21:07:57 <monochrom> As it turns out, every individual problem/app wants its own different way of subdivision.
21:09:11 <monochrom> And it shows. Users of said webapp libraries often run into situations where they want to do something pretty ordinary and reaonsable but the library's subdivision forbids it or makes it unreasonably jumping through too many hoops.
21:09:47 <Ashkan> monochrom
21:09:47 <Ashkan> > The problem is then this: Everyone agrees to subdivide. Everyone disagrees on the actual subdivision.
21:09:48 <Ashkan> Very well said ! that is *exactly* why I at first was looking for a "de-facto" constraint to express my need. I thought there must be an agreed-upon-by-most something, somewhere:)
21:09:49 <lambdabot> <hint>:1:16: error: parse error on input ‘then’
21:12:09 <EvanR> you can model an interactive program as a causal stream transducer, and if the operating system is modeled the same way, you can feed each into the other (and then not observe anything). Just an alternative to this "IO at the top" worldview
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21:12:57 <monochrom> That was, like, Haskell 1.2 or something. >:)
21:13:09 <Ashkan> monochrom those are all very valid point, yet could be easily avoided for the most part with a simple common sense "canonical" hierarchy of type classes and relations thereof. I know Scala so I know in there is `cats` and `cats-effects` which does this. Not every lib author codes agains type classes defined there but all that matter, do
21:13:35 <EvanR> I heard they had problems with the "causal" part xD
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21:13:48 <monochrom> Just remember that the Haskell community at large decided to ditch that and embraced this IO type (and >>= more importantly) instead.
21:13:52 <c_wraith> Ashkan: do you think if there was a simple, obvious, and correct way to do that that it wouldn't have been done already?
21:14:47 <monochrom> c_wraith: Yes, Idris >:)
21:15:04 <monochrom> But basically too late for Haskell.
21:15:30 <Ashkan> c_wraith not sure about "correct" part because for example in Scala (as the prime example) there was a total re-modeling between cats 2 and cats 3. But *eventually*, I would say yes, sure ! this is already happening
21:15:33 <monochrom> I mean socially and culturally. You can decree such a system for Haskell right now. It won't get much adoption.
21:15:41 <EvanR> like using Int for everything, using IO foreverything I/O related does have a benefit
21:16:49 <Ashkan> As a matter of fact, looks to me Haskell is a bit falling behind here. Maybe there is not much need for it in Haskell but to say it is not done because it is fundamentally wrong or lacking or something ? well, I'm not so sure that't true.
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21:17:28 <c_wraith> monochrom: I'm pretty sure Idris is using some of its type-level tools that Haskell just doesn't have in order to make that work correctly
21:17:49 <monochrom> Likewise it is too late to give Haskell a record system by now.
21:18:10 <c_wraith> pfft. As far as I'm concerned, Haskell has a record system now. :)
21:18:11 <monochrom> And to think that record systems are even more mundane and less controversial.
21:18:20 <EvanR> idris also exploits their retargetable syntax system for purposes
21:18:23 <c_wraith> Lots of people refuse to use it, but it's there!
21:18:54 <Ashkan> The `Int` is a very good example. Sure you can essentially apply every single point from the case for `IO` into the case of `Int` yet people have found sane and sound ways to sub-divide and generalise over different features on `Int`. Same can happen to `IO` in principle.
21:19:49 <EvanR> yeah and then generally we just use Int for everything
21:20:22 <monochrom> Haskell has equivalent (but more cumbersome) tools to do the Idris thing. A lot of those webapp libraries show examples. A type-level list of capabilities. Native to Idris, encodable in Haskell but we agree it's a cumbersome encoding.
21:20:56 <Ashkan> Alright amazing people of Haskell, I still need your brains to move forward with my Haskell crusade. If someone can show me a way out of this or tell me for sure there is no way out, I'd be on my way :
21:20:56 <Ashkan> I have an `f ` calling `g` calling `h`. Inside `h` I fork something. This means `g` and `h` should be `IO` as well, no ?
21:21:18 <c_wraith> Ashkan: nope. it just means that g and h need to support IO
21:21:30 <c_wraith> err, f and g
21:21:35 <Ashkan> How do I say "supports IO" ?
21:21:47 <c_wraith> "instance of MonadIO" is the most common way.
21:21:55 <EvanR> ultimately, if someone executes "f whatever" and expects IO effects it needs to have type IO something
21:22:10 <EvanR> or something equivalent like MonadIO
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21:25:07 <EvanR> I think Cale described a metaphor for haskell programs where the crunchy outer shell is IO stuff where the majority of the program, the gooey candy center is not IO. As some kind of ideal
21:25:23 <EvanR> thinking of something at the lowest level "forking something" would preclude that however
21:25:57 <Ashkan> c_wraith EvanR what if my function accepts something that produces the `m ()`, like `(a -> m ()) -> b -> a` ? would `MonadIO m` enables me to fork the `a -> m()` computation ?
21:26:10 <monochrom> You can keep forking in the crunchy outer shell :)
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21:26:24 <monochrom> I certainly do.
21:26:28 <EvanR> no but a = IO () would enable it
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21:27:26 <Ashkan> Maybe I shouldn't be forking in an inner function :-?
21:27:51 <EvanR> for a certain class of computations you can fork internally and no one will know IO is involved, see the parallel haskell tools
21:28:28 <EvanR> Dislaimer The Details Of You Case Are Fact Dependent
21:28:33 <EvanR> Your*
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21:28:46 <c_wraith> Ashkan: an assertion to think about: Type errors indicate semantic problems that indicate that what you're trying to do doesn't make sense.
21:28:48 <monochrom> Yeah, you can use par if you just mean you want to parallelize the multiple-polynomial quadratic sieve or something.
21:29:20 <Ashkan> Alright, I need to digest all your inputs and perhaps come back with better questions/understanding.
21:29:45 <Ashkan> c_wraith agreed ! trying to find that dark spot in my thinking
21:32:21 <Ashkan> one last quickie before I leave you all in piece: I have an `m a` but I'm inside an `IO` chain <-- this indicates I got things mixed that I shouldn't have, right ? I should have that `m a` as an `IO a` because I can't express (doesn't make sense) "the `m` can be lift to `IO`". Because in effect there is only a botton-IO stack that can be lifted to
21:32:22 <Ashkan> `IO`
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21:32:43 <Ashkan> Am I thinking right, roughly speaking ?
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21:33:03 <EvanR> MonadIO m is what gives you a thing of type m a -> IO a
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21:33:16 <EvanR> which would let you use it as / with other IO stuff
21:33:28 <c_wraith> EvanR: err, that's backwards
21:33:36 <EvanR> :t liftIO
21:33:37 <lambdabot> MonadIO m => IO a -> m a
21:33:41 <EvanR> shit
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21:33:51 <monochrom> Not sure what you mean. But "pure :: Applicative m => a -> m a" does not say "IO" and yet we use it with m=IO all the time.
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21:36:06 <Ashkan> didn't want to hurt your eyes but here it is https://paste.tomsmeding.com/BgeyCt6z (and where I'm stuck in it)
21:37:07 <EvanR> it's funny to see something specifically called a callback, because IO A is basically a callback
21:38:39 <geekosaur> I think Scala is hurting you here. You can magick up an "IO" whenever you want because it's impure. You can't in Haskell
21:38:46 <c_wraith> Ashkan: this seems like a situation where once again, the best solution is to just pass around a function that does what you need the correct way for your specific case.
21:38:49 <Ashkan> It is callback in the sense that caller provides a function for createGame to all when game produces an output
21:38:54 <c_wraith> Ashkan: for example, https://github.com/chowells79/shuttle/blob/main/src/Control/Shuttle.hs#L106-L109
21:39:35 <c_wraith> Ashkan: I don't demand there be a magic class that enables (m () -> IO ()). I just ask for a function that does it to be passed in.
21:40:01 <c_wraith> It's way easier to customize for exactly your use case with that interface.
21:41:26 <Ashkan> c_wraith I see ... so basically if I want to mix-and-match IO operations in an `m`, then that `m` should give me a way to turn it into `IO`. Makes 100% sense.
21:42:50 <Ashkan> As opposed to fine-grain what "IO operations" I need in my mixture and then constraining `m` on those.
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21:44:20 <c_wraith> It's worth remembering that Haskell lets you just pass functions around. If you don't know how to generically do something you need in your function, sometimes you should just ask the caller to provide it.
21:44:39 <EvanR> yeah m something -> IO something would be like an IO-based interpreter for that m, which you need to specifically have for that m
21:44:40 <Ashkan> Makes more sense the more I think about it : you want to stay on `m` but fork it or do other IO stuff on it then you need a way to turn it into `IO` to do that stuff on it and since you know zero about `m`, *only* (not even best, but in fact only) way is to receive this transformation as an input
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21:45:02 <EvanR> you know zero about m?
21:45:13 <EvanR> that could be problematic
21:45:45 <EvanR> Monad m => at least means you know it's a monad
21:46:16 <geekosaur> I think they know Monad but want to know (as originally formulated) some kind of MonadForkable
21:46:44 <Ashkan> c_wraith I was doing exactly that, but behind an imaginary type class constraint. The missing piece was that "Haskell doesn't do it this way". Your code made is suddenly clear to me the way to go here is simply accept is an an argument as opposed to a "reverse of LiftIO" type class :thumbsup:
21:46:51 <EvanR> yeah MonadForkable m =>, or just the operation that class would give you passed in as a normal argument would work
21:46:56 <geekosaur> but in Haskell this is either MonadUnliftIO or MonadIO
21:47:29 <Ashkan> EvanR I know zero about structure of it.
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21:48:15 <EvanR> knowing the interface could be enough, or in some state of mind, all that there could ever be
21:48:46 <Ashkan> geekosaur Yes, since I was only using the fork but know I understand the Haskell `IO` better and I see I need to accept the missing part as an argument. Maybe even `forkM :: m a -> IO ThreadId`:D
21:48:55 <mauke> callbackToIO is impossible to implement even ignoring the IO part
21:49:58 <Ashkan> mauke yeah I'm still trying to understand, at the every root level, why is that ?
21:50:37 <Ashkan> to be more specific, what type-classes/constraint/argument should I receive to enable me to implement it ?
21:50:47 <Ashkan> what is missing that I need to make it happen ?
21:53:21 <mauke> well, for one, you need to be able to produce a value of type 'm something'
21:53:58 <Ashkan> Thank you all for your times. Learned quite a few things. My Scala background is usually a blessing with my Haskell but sometimes a disadvantage. Also my unhealthy obsession with tagless-final gets in the way sometimes:D
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21:55:32 <Ashkan> mauke an `Applicative` can fix that ... but what about the difficult part ? actually turning an `m` (you know nothing about its inner structure) into an `IO` ?
21:56:16 <Ashkan> I'm thinking, what does that even mean ? how on earth you turn a totally stranger `m` to an `IO` ? only an interpreter of `m` can pull that off
21:56:42 <EvanR> f :: m a -> IO (); f _ = putChar 'A'
21:57:10 <mauke> callbackToIO _ = pure (const (pure ()))
21:57:22 <Ashkan> EvanR okay, okay `m a -> IO a` then
21:58:00 <Ashkan> guys, guys, I'm not looking for ways to produce type-correct-but-otherwise-meaningless values here:D
21:58:13 <mauke> but that's what your type says
21:59:34 <EvanR> yeah if you know nothing, your options get limited by polymorphism
21:59:37 <Ashkan> I'm thinking this: to turn an `m a` to an `IO a` the `m` must be interpreted, the value extracted and put inside an `m` -- OR -- the inner structure of `m` be translated to an equivalent `IO`
21:59:42 <EvanR> f :: a -> b; nope...
21:59:49 <EvanR> f :: a -> a; f x = x
22:00:14 <mauke> :t throwIO
22:00:15 <lambdabot> Exception e => e -> IO a
22:00:43 <Ashkan> In any case, since I know nothing about `m` (except very basic things like `Monad m` which doesn't help here) then I need the caller to provide me the missing peice
22:01:04 <EvanR> if you need the a from m a maybe you actually want Comonad!
22:01:26 <EvanR> :t pure . extract
22:01:27 <lambdabot> error: Variable not in scope: extract :: a -> a1
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22:01:45 <geekosaur> @let import Control.Comonad
22:01:47 <lambdabot> Defined.
22:01:53 <geekosaur> :t pure . extract
22:01:54 <lambdabot> (Applicative f, Comonad w) => w a -> f a
22:02:13 <EvanR> now it's totally not just typesafe and meaningless
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22:05:27 <Ashkan> `Comonad` in the sense that could be thought of an in interpreter of `m`, then yes. That would be exactly what I want.
22:06:05 <geekosaur> Comoad is not an interpreter. Free monad is an interpreter
22:08:11 <Ashkan> How do I instance `Comonad` on `IO` without actually interpreting it ?
22:08:28 <EvanR> you really just want an interpreter
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22:08:35 <EvanR> I was mostly kidding
22:08:55 <EvanR> :t runState
22:08:56 <lambdabot> State s a -> s -> (a, s)
22:08:57 <Ashkan> there is no way to extract the `a` from an `IO a` but to actually run the `IO`
22:09:00 <EvanR> :t runReader
22:09:01 <lambdabot> Reader r a -> r -> a
22:09:06 <EvanR> :t runWriter
22:09:07 <lambdabot> Writer w a -> (a, w)
22:09:12 <EvanR> (there's no runIO)
22:09:18 <Ashkan>  I see ...
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22:10:44 <Ashkan> Okay, I'm seeing the light. Again, thank you guys. Lemme see how far I can push it with all that I l learned here.
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