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| 06:39:22 | <shelby> | hi.. i have installed spacemacs and configured it for haskell.. Can someone share or point how to compile files from spacemacs itself? |
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| 09:39:10 | <ncf> | EvanR: isn't the entire point of *quantum* physics that you can't subdivide arbitrarily small? :D (i have no idea) |
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| 09:48:43 | <[exa]> | ncf: iirc, they usually dodge that question |
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| 11:31:06 | <damax> | Hello there, may I ask for some help with a ghcup installation? I am on archlinux with 6.2.8 kernel, ghcup 0.1.19.2 from AUR, GHC 9.2.5, cabal 3.6.2.0, HSL 1.9.0.0 and 1.9.1.0 (for vscode extension), Stack 2.9.3 (with its own GHC 9.2.7). Yesterday I tried installing pandoc with 'stack install pandoc', and then tried installing pandoc-cli, as per instruction by pandoc documentation, but that didn't work |
| 11:31:12 | <damax> | because of versions requirements mismatch. Turned out I installed pandoc 2.19.2, since hackage says that's the latest version, but in truth on hackage there's also the latest 3.1.1 |
| 11:31:28 | <damax> | My question is: why is hackage showing older versions? Did I get something wrong with my own tools versions? |
| 11:34:12 | <jackdk> | I don't know stack especially well, but ISTR it has a notion of an implicit global project, and if that installed ghc 9.2.7 it probably pulled down the pandoc from the stackage snapshot that provided GHC: https://www.stackage.org/lts-20.15 says pandoc 2.19.2 |
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| 11:42:27 | <damax> | So I should probably get Stack to use another GHC? How can I do that? |
| 11:42:50 | <damax> | Or, actually, get it to use a different resolver? |
| 11:44:32 | <jackdk> | I don't remember, you'll have to check the docs. Or use cabal. |
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| 11:58:40 | <damax> | Great, thanks for pointing me in the right direction! |
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| 12:05:07 | <jackdk> | Best of luck! |
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| 13:14:25 | <cdsmith> | With GHC Generics, you get a type family Rep to convert a type to its generic representation. I'm looking for something like UnRep to construct a type from a representation. For example, UnRep V1 = Void, UnRep U1 = (), UnRep (f :+: g) = Either (UnRep f) (UnRep g), etc. I was surprised something like this doesn't seem to already exist! Unless I just missed it? |
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| 13:26:58 | <[exa]> | cdsmith: that's a bit problematic but check out how e.g. surgeries do that |
| 13:27:25 | <[exa]> | e.g. here https://hackage.haskell.org/package/generic-data-surgery-0.3.0.0/docs/Generic-Data-Surgery.html |
| 13:29:13 | <[exa]> | in short, they make their own reverse Rep. :] |
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| 13:39:10 | <cdsmith> | Okay, thanks [exa] At least I know I didn't miss anything obvious. :) |
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| 13:47:40 | <byorgey> | cdsmith: I'm curious, what would (UnRep g) buy you that the generic representation g doesn't give you already? Just getting rid of unneeded detail? |
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| 13:49:32 | <cdsmith> | Ultimately, I will be doing additional generic stuff, recursively, to the result, and it seemed not great to end up with a Rep (Rep (Rep (Rep (Rep f)))). Maybe I just shouldn't worry about it though? |
| 13:51:03 | <cdsmith> | At one point I definitely needed something to break a cycle and avoid non-termination of the type checker, too... but I don't fully understand what happened there. |
| 13:52:55 | <byorgey> | ah, interesting |
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| 13:59:01 | <cdsmith> | I'm really just playing around. My weekend goal is to use the notion of derivatives as one-hole contexts to get a constructive implementation of Taylor series expansions for data types, which ultimately ends up looking something like: type Sized f :: Type -> Nat -> Type; sized :: f a -> Some (Sized f a); unsized :: Sized f a n -> f a |
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| 13:59:31 | <cdsmith> | But this requires taking nth derivatives for arbitrary n. (Actually a little more complicated than just derivatives, but that's the simplified version) |
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| 14:49:51 | <[exa]> | cdsmith: well the generic advice is "don't use types for data" |
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| 14:55:14 | <byorgey> | cdsmith: cool! |
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| 17:04:06 | <EvanR> | ncf, some stuff is quantized and other stuff isn't in QM |
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| 18:13:27 | <gensyst> | What's the "recommended" way of doing Haskell with Nix these days? developPackage? Is Gonzales tutorial now obsolete (it doesn't use developPackage) |
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| 18:15:27 | <davean> | gensyst: mostly it seems haskell.nix works the best? |
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| 18:51:08 | <gensyst> | davean, i have no idea.. |
| 18:51:18 | <gensyst> | that's another debate |
| 18:51:28 | <gensyst> | haskell.nix vs haskellPackages (nixpkgs) |
| 18:51:56 | <gensyst> | and i have no idea either way |
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| 19:19:03 | <davean> | gensyst: well haskellPackages has issues about like handling multiple versions of dependencies. Also lacking compilers |
| 19:19:08 | <davean> | I'd discount haskellPackages entirely myself |
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| 20:56:45 | <__monty__> | Main reason to use haskellPackages is if you want to package something for Nixpkgs IMO. Haskell.nix is a lot lower friction. |
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