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Logs on 2023-03-25 (liberachat/#haskell)

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06:39:22 <shelby> hi.. i have installed spacemacs and configured it for haskell.. Can someone share or point how to compile files from spacemacs itself?
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09:39:10 <ncf> EvanR: isn't the entire point of *quantum* physics that you can't subdivide arbitrarily small? :D (i have no idea)
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09:48:43 <[exa]> ncf: iirc, they usually dodge that question
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11:31:06 <damax> Hello there, may I ask for some help with a ghcup installation? I am on archlinux with 6.2.8 kernel, ghcup 0.1.19.2 from AUR, GHC 9.2.5, cabal 3.6.2.0, HSL 1.9.0.0 and 1.9.1.0 (for vscode extension), Stack 2.9.3 (with its own GHC 9.2.7). Yesterday I tried installing pandoc with 'stack install pandoc', and then tried installing pandoc-cli, as per instruction by pandoc documentation, but that didn't work
11:31:12 <damax> because of versions requirements mismatch. Turned out I installed pandoc 2.19.2, since hackage says that's the latest version, but in truth on hackage there's also the latest 3.1.1
11:31:28 <damax> My question is: why is hackage showing older versions? Did I get something wrong with my own tools versions?
11:34:12 <jackdk> I don't know stack especially well, but ISTR it has a notion of an implicit global project, and if that installed ghc 9.2.7 it probably pulled down the pandoc from the stackage snapshot that provided GHC: https://www.stackage.org/lts-20.15 says pandoc 2.19.2
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11:42:27 <damax> So I should probably get Stack to use another GHC? How can I do that?
11:42:50 <damax> Or, actually, get it to use a different resolver?
11:44:32 <jackdk> I don't remember, you'll have to check the docs. Or use cabal.
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11:58:40 <damax> Great, thanks for pointing me in the right direction!
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12:05:07 <jackdk> Best of luck!
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13:14:25 <cdsmith> With GHC Generics, you get a type family Rep to convert a type to its generic representation. I'm looking for something like UnRep to construct a type from a representation. For example, UnRep V1 = Void, UnRep U1 = (), UnRep (f :+: g) = Either (UnRep f) (UnRep g), etc. I was surprised something like this doesn't seem to already exist! Unless I just missed it?
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13:26:58 <[exa]> cdsmith: that's a bit problematic but check out how e.g. surgeries do that
13:27:25 <[exa]> e.g. here https://hackage.haskell.org/package/generic-data-surgery-0.3.0.0/docs/Generic-Data-Surgery.html
13:29:13 <[exa]> in short, they make their own reverse Rep. :]
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13:39:10 <cdsmith> Okay, thanks [exa] At least I know I didn't miss anything obvious. :)
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13:47:40 <byorgey> cdsmith: I'm curious, what would (UnRep g) buy you that the generic representation g doesn't give you already? Just getting rid of unneeded detail?
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13:49:32 <cdsmith> Ultimately, I will be doing additional generic stuff, recursively, to the result, and it seemed not great to end up with a Rep (Rep (Rep (Rep (Rep f)))). Maybe I just shouldn't worry about it though?
13:51:03 <cdsmith> At one point I definitely needed something to break a cycle and avoid non-termination of the type checker, too... but I don't fully understand what happened there.
13:52:55 <byorgey> ah, interesting
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13:59:01 <cdsmith> I'm really just playing around. My weekend goal is to use the notion of derivatives as one-hole contexts to get a constructive implementation of Taylor series expansions for data types, which ultimately ends up looking something like: type Sized f :: Type -> Nat -> Type; sized :: f a -> Some (Sized f a); unsized :: Sized f a n -> f a
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13:59:31 <cdsmith> But this requires taking nth derivatives for arbitrary n. (Actually a little more complicated than just derivatives, but that's the simplified version)
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14:49:51 <[exa]> cdsmith: well the generic advice is "don't use types for data"
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14:55:14 <byorgey> cdsmith: cool!
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18:13:27 <gensyst> What's the "recommended" way of doing Haskell with Nix these days? developPackage? Is Gonzales tutorial now obsolete (it doesn't use developPackage)
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18:15:27 <davean> gensyst: mostly it seems haskell.nix works the best?
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18:51:08 <gensyst> davean, i have no idea..
18:51:18 <gensyst> that's another debate
18:51:28 <gensyst> haskell.nix vs haskellPackages (nixpkgs)
18:51:56 <gensyst> and i have no idea either way
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19:19:03 <davean> gensyst: well haskellPackages has issues about like handling multiple versions of dependencies. Also lacking compilers
19:19:08 <davean> I'd discount haskellPackages entirely myself
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20:56:45 <__monty__> Main reason to use haskellPackages is if you want to package something for Nixpkgs IMO. Haskell.nix is a lot lower friction.
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