Logs on 2023-03-29 (liberachat/#haskell)
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| 09:47:14 | <maralorn> | In 9.2 cases just gets interpreted as a variable name. Only in 9.4 with LambdaCase ghc will steal that syntax. |
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| 09:48:59 | <geekosaur> | ^ |
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| 11:41:04 | <ski> | ah, makes sense |
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| 12:30:45 | <kuribas> | I was having a discussion about formal specifications, where I stated that they must be written using a mathematical language, but my coworker claims they can be freeform text. |
| 12:30:55 | <kuribas> | There was this example: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc904 |
| 12:31:12 | <kuribas> | "This document is a formal specification of the Exterior Gateway |
| 12:31:12 | <kuribas> | Protocol (EGP)" |
| 12:31:24 | <kuribas> | Did the meaning of "formal specification" change at some point? |
| 12:32:30 | <geekosaur> | "formal specification" means whatever the domain using it says |
| 12:33:07 | <geekosaur> | mathematical language is not so helpful for internet rfcs; a bnf-like specification works better |
| 12:33:47 | <kuribas> | bnf is also mathematical |
| 12:35:23 | <geekosaur> | okay, so this document is describing a state machine in terms of the states reachable from other states |
| 12:35:32 | <geekosaur> | bnf doesn't work for that |
| 12:36:11 | <geekosaur> | you could do that mathematically but everyone will hate you |
| 12:36:27 | <geekosaur> | so it's a series of tables |
| 12:36:47 | <kuribas> | sure, but then the definition on many sites (even wikipedia) is wrong. |
| 12:37:09 | <kuribas> | "In computer science, formal specifications are mathematically based techniques whose purpose are to help with the implementation of systems and software. " |
| 12:37:11 | <geekosaur> | surprise, surprise |
| 12:37:21 | <kuribas> | :) |
| 12:38:04 | <ggVGc> | arguably... mathematical language is freeform text |
| 12:38:06 | <int-e> | . o O ( A formal specification wears a suit. ) |
| 12:38:10 | ggVGc | hides |
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| 12:40:58 | <mauke> | "a script is what you give the actors, a program is what you give the audience" |
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| 12:42:17 | <int-e> | Words have meanings, and many of them have more than one. |
| 12:42:46 | <mauke> | many meanings have more than one word |
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| 12:43:38 | <merijn> | int-e: White tie or black tie? |
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| 12:46:18 | <int-e> | Oh while we're playing with words... there's an acronym here, which is open to interpretation. How about "Repository of Formal Computing" for RFC? |
| 12:46:56 | <opqdonut> | instead of formal specifications, business casual specifications |
| 12:47:02 | <opqdonut> | or perhaps hawaii shirt friday specifications |
| 12:50:59 | <geekosaur> | originally rfcs were the latter 🙂 |
| 12:53:42 | <ggVGc> | ski: F# view patterns were my first wow-moment when I was taking my first steps in FP and F# simultaneously (same year F# was launched), and unfortunately I never felt as good about view patterns in Haskell :( |
| 12:54:00 | <ggVGc> | although, I didn't really give them a proper try again in a long time |
| 12:55:14 | <ggVGc> | sorry, Active patterns I guess they're called in F# |
| 12:55:25 | <ggVGc> | also didn't write any F# in a long time... |
| 12:57:11 | <ski> | ggVGc : i'm been pondering/sketching some extensions of view patterns in Haskell .. but something that can do the equivalent of active patterns would be nice, too |
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| 12:58:08 | <ski> | s/view patterns/pattern synonyms and view patterns/ |
| 13:00:01 | <ski> | (specifically having a group of (`COMPLETE') related pattern synonyms, that jointly invoke the same classification/partitioning code, which is what active patterns (in their full generality) does .. but i was also pondering various other ways to make pattern synonyms nicer (e.g. allowing them to be recursive, and to be parameterized)) |
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| 13:11:39 | <merijn> | hmm, "cabal install cabal-plan" seems to not actually create an executable anywhere? |
| 13:12:35 | <merijn> | hmm,, looks like the default enabled flag to install said executable was...not enabled? >.< |
| 13:12:51 | <fendor[m]> | ah yes, cabal-install's CI also ran into that before |
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| 13:19:15 | <maerwald[m]> | merijn: default is symlink |
| 13:19:21 | <maerwald[m]> | Since forever? |
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| 13:19:47 | <merijn> | maerwald[m]: No, as in there was nothing |
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| 13:19:55 | <merijn> | It didn't build the executable at all |
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| 13:20:14 | <merijn> | I have ~/.cabal/config set to always copy the binary instead of symlink anyway |
| 13:20:15 | <maerwald[m]> | That's nice too |
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| 13:29:13 | <ggVGc> | Has anyone here genuinely used haskell for numerical/scientific stuff? E.g linear algebra, curve fitting and plotting, basically. So far I have hmatrix and matplotlib wrapper... |
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| 13:29:48 | <ggVGc> | not sure what to use for linear regression. The statistics package doesn't seem entirely mature |
| 13:29:59 | <ggVGc> | statistics-linreg, I guess |
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