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| 04:22:29 | <mniip> | can I use mask inside unsafeDupablePerformIO ? |
| 04:22:40 | <mniip> | or rather, does it help? |
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| 04:25:09 | <mniip> | I'm calling a C FFI that returns a pointer that I need to capture with newForeignPtr lest there's a leak |
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| 05:59:27 | <briandaed> | question regarding ghc, I've moved from 8.10.7 to 9.2.8, now the code compiled only with profiling flag is working correctly, otherwise I'm getting segfault or complaint that I'm using connection that was already released... on lts-18.28 it was just working fine, 20.26 is failing |
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| 06:08:18 | <Axman6> | that sounds quite odd, though to help we'd need to know more about the actual code you're running. what's a connection in this context? |
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| 06:12:14 | <briandaed> | Axman6: database, odbc, persisten-odbc, persistent, so it's db connection |
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| 06:13:15 | <briandaed> | unfortunately I can't detailed info what -p flag do, looks like it somehow affects runtime, threading(?), io(?) |
| 06:13:29 | <briandaed> | *I can't find |
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| 06:15:48 | <Axman6> | I don't think it should affect those things, ideally it would only make things slower (which might lead to code that implicitly works when something takes longer working when profiled and not when profiling is off) |
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| 06:17:02 | <Axman6> | briandaed: which database are you connecting to? |
| 06:17:41 | <briandaed> | Axman6: that is also my reasoning, I've encountered in the past errors that were unreproducible when compiled with profiling and ran with +RTS -xc |
| 06:17:43 | <Axman6> | Do you have any code you can share? it'd make tracking down wha could be going wrong a lot easier |
| 06:18:07 | <briandaed> | Axman6: oracle, and unfortunately I can't share code, I'll write some snippet I can share, later |
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| 06:21:51 | <Axman6> | Another victim of the Oracle information blackhole :) |
| 06:22:11 | <Axman6> | do you know which functions from persistent-odbc are being used to make the connection? |
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| 06:24:33 | <briandaed> | Axman6: I know, I suspect connection pool management is somehow affected, there is a difference when watching threads in gdb |
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| 06:34:30 | <Axman6> | those libraries (persistent-odbc and HDBC-odbc) haven't been updated in a while, so it's not super unexpected they might not work with newer GHCs. Having a look through the code I couldn't see anything that jumped out as leading to some sort of race condition, haven't looked into HDBC though |
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| 06:35:58 | <briandaed> | Axman6: thanks |
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| 06:37:11 | <Axman6> | briandaed: can you try an LTS which uses ghc 9.0.x? just curious where the issue arises |
| 06:39:36 | <briandaed> | Axman6: not right now, rebuiliding all takes significant amount of time |
| 06:39:54 | <Axman6> | I also wonder if this bug still exists, which looks like it happens when closing the connction to an oracle database: https://github.com/hdbc/hdbc-odbc/issues/36 |
| 06:41:27 | <Axman6> | Sure, if you can fire it off overnight and see what happenes overnight and report back. |
| 06:43:27 | <briandaed> | will do |
| 06:44:06 | <Axman6> | (Luckily moving between LTSs is only expensive the first time since the libraries should be cached for each compiler version you use) |
| 06:46:43 | <briandaed> | in terms of time, yes, but I'm still astonished that LTSes are based on packages marked as deprecated on hackage |
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| 07:01:12 | <Axman6> | Deprecation can happen after an LTS has been released |
| 07:02:04 | <briandaed> | yes, but I think about situations when package was deprecated earlier |
| 07:04:21 | <briandaed> | i.e lts-18.28, network-3.1.1.1 |
| 07:09:02 | <briandaed> | interesting, is there a way how to check on hackage when the package was deprecated? exact date? |
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| 07:25:03 | <Axman6> | I'm not sure - #hackage might be a better palce to ask |
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| 10:53:21 | <Hecate> | alexbiehl: kwak! |
| 10:53:35 | <Hecate> | alexbiehl: available today for a quick chat? |
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| 11:05:36 | <mniip> | briandaed, compiling with profiling switches you over to the profiling RTS |
| 11:05:59 | <briandaed> | mniip: ha! thanks |
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| 11:06:44 | <mniip> | you may also get different optimizations thanks to cost centre annotations in Core |
| 11:07:48 | <mniip> | given the context it's possible someone is doing something unsafe incorrectly |
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| 11:08:24 | <mniip> | have you tried building the library with -O0 ? |
| 11:08:26 | <briandaed> | mniip: that was what I suspected, unfortunaly didn't find confirmation in ghc docs, pity because +RTS -xc becomes unusable |
| 11:08:50 | <briandaed> | mniip: right now I'm rebuilding with -g and --no-strip |
| 11:09:21 | <briandaed> | mniip: but pandoc recompilation takes eons |
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| 11:11:55 | <mniip> | hmm didn't know dwarf debuginfo made it to mainstream releases already |
| 11:12:14 | <briandaed> | my last hope it seams |
| 11:12:19 | <briandaed> | *seems |
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| 11:21:22 | <absence> | What do curly braces in the "forall" part of type signatures mean? "forall a. Maybe a" and "forall {a}. Maybe a" both compile... |
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| 11:26:32 | <Hecate> | absence: https://ghc.gitlab.haskell.org/ghc/doc/users_guide/exts/type_applications.html#manually-defining-inferred-variables |
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| 11:34:00 | <absence> | Hecate: i see, thanks! |
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| 12:36:53 | <briandaed> | ok, found that, the problem was with hdbc-odbc and with inlining https://github.com/hdbc/hdbc-odbc/pull/48/commits/34dfb6fec25cc826606036e65df3461212a254f1 |
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| 13:30:43 | <nyc> | Using source-repository-package gets no cabal file found as an error even though the repo has a cabal.project |
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| 13:34:58 | <geekosaur> | "cabal file" is generally foo .cabal not cabal.project? |
| 13:35:35 | <geekosaur> | if the repo has a package.yaml then you get to run hpack yourself; cabal won't |
| 13:35:41 | <nyc> | The foo.cabal files are in subdirectories for various components I think. |
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| 13:35:54 | <merijn> | nyc: you need to specify the subdir |
| 13:36:15 | <merijn> | source-repository-package is not affected by cabal.project in repos (and should not be) |
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| 13:37:50 | <merijn> | nyc: see, for example, https://github.com/merijn/Belewitte/blob/86a96cbd3ed2a6d990c67a72d5e6ce81753807a6/cabal.project |
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| 13:38:27 | <merijn> | I proposed that subdirs be expanded to accept multiple subdirs, but no clue if that was ever implemented |
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| 13:44:32 | <nyc> | I guess I can use a path instead of a URL to specify where the package is gotten from & then commit ID's in my local repo can be used as tags? |
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| 13:47:20 | <merijn> | I think location just accepts "whatever git accepts" |
| 13:47:33 | <merijn> | so should be possible via a local path too |
| 13:47:48 | <merijn> | you could also just directly depend on the local dirs, though |
| 13:47:59 | <merijn> | (assuming you don't want different tags than the current checkout) |
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| 13:49:12 | <nyc> | What's the direct depend option? |
| 13:49:25 | <merijn> | nyc: if you just want to use a package as-is on your local filesystem, you can also simply use optional-packages: https://cabal.readthedocs.io/en/3.4/cabal-project.html#cfg-field-optional-packages |
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| 13:51:30 | <nyc> | For the moment I'm worried about modifications, but that's bound to be useful at some point in the future. |
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| 13:53:51 | <merijn> | nyc: If you're developing 2 (or more) packages locally in tandem, I'd probably use the optional-packages approach. I mostly use source-repository-package when I need to depend on something finished, but currently unreleased |
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| 13:54:59 | <adeptangel> | hi, beginner question here, can someone help me understand the source of this error? https://paste.tomsmeding.com/YjGzsnyc |
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| 13:57:18 | <nyc> | merijn: In this case, I wouldn't be regularly developing it, but it would make sense for me to send patches I need to the maintainers. |
| 13:58:26 | <merijn> | nyc: Usually what I do is develop via optional-packages, then when I make a PR to the maintainer from github, add a source dependency on that commit |
| 13:59:24 | <merijn> | adeptangel: The text is weird, but vals isn't a field of PickedPeaks |
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| 13:59:55 | <merijn> | you probably want either "PickedPeaks vals peaks" (positional application) or "PickedPeacks { peaks = peaks, pos = vals }" |
| 14:01:57 | <merijn> | adeptangel: atm you appear to be mixing positional and record syntax |
| 14:02:01 | <Lears> | Or `let pos = ... in ...`. |
| 14:02:34 | <merijn> | Lears: That's still incorrect without NamedFieldPuns :p |
| 14:02:50 | <adeptangel> | yes it is a syntax error, thanks merijn |
| 14:03:01 | <Lears> | Well, they seem to be using it or intending to use it. |
| 14:03:42 | <merijn> | adeptangel: note that with positional application fields gotta be in the order of the datatype definition, but record syntax can reorder fields however you like |
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| 14:10:18 | <adeptangel> | merijn: right, thanks :) |
| 14:10:38 | <jackdk> | merijn: `subdir:` accepts multiple directories, and everyone who uses amazonka from git is very grateful for this support. |
| 14:11:05 | <merijn> | jackdk: nice, I haven't needed to use it since making an issue for that :p |
| 14:11:23 | <merijn> | jackdk: Well, multiple public libraries for amazonka in the near future, hopefully ;) |
| 14:12:31 | <jackdk> | merijn: Due to really unfortunate fundamental flaws with the current generator, we're going to release without it. I would much prefer to ship a single package with multiple libs to Hackage but I need to rebuild the generator from the ground up for other reasons first. |
| 14:13:01 | <merijn> | jackdk: well, currently Hackage does not support docs for extra libraries, so probably not the practical yet |
| 14:13:32 | <merijn> | I was gonna convert my library to multiple public libraries, but currently hard stuck on a Cabal bug for that |
| 14:13:56 | <merijn> | So I gotta wait for the fix to release *and* decide whether I'm willing to drop GHC <8.8 and cabal <3.10 :p |
| 14:14:04 | <merijn> | otoh, it would make life *so* much easier |
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| 14:20:19 | <nyc> | I don't think I had ever used cabal or nix before I think this past Oct. I had heard of cabal though. I'm a lot more used to makefiles. |
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| 14:42:38 | <nyc> | There's a package what I'm patching depends on that with deps for a third package that fails with -Werror=unused-packages when unmodified & using my local repo with the dep removed triggers a missing or private dependency error. |
| 14:43:48 | <merijn> | nyc: Probably wanna skope your -Werror to only apply to *your* packages |
| 14:43:55 | <merijn> | and not transitively to all your dependencies |
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| 14:48:58 | <nyc> | merijn: It seems tricky to search for how to do that. |
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| 14:50:06 | <merijn> | nyc: In cabal.project you can add "package <name>\n ghc-options: -Werror=unused-packages" |
| 14:50:25 | <merijn> | nyc: Which will add that -Werror to ghc-options for only the named package, rather than *everything* |
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| 14:51:23 | <nyc> | I think -Werror might be desired but unused-packages might not be for it. |
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| 15:00:25 | <jean-paul[m]> | Like `->` is a type constructor for a function of one argument and has kind `* -> * -> *`, is there a type constructor for a function of two arguments with kind `* -> * -> * -> *`? |
| 15:00:36 | <nyc> | The external repo isn't using Werror but the one I'm patching is. |
| 15:01:30 | <jackdk> | all functions have one argument |
| 15:01:57 | <jackdk> | A -> B -> C is an application of (->) to A and to (B -> C) |
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| 15:04:58 | <ncf> | > type Function2 a b c = a -> b -> c |
| 15:04:59 | <lambdabot> | <hint>:1:1: error: parse error on input ‘type’ |
| 15:05:09 | <ncf> | type Function2 :: * -> * -> * -> * |
| 15:06:28 | <glguy> | :set -XLiberalTypeSynonyms |
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| 15:06:55 | <glguy> | ^ gotta restore functions all having one argument |
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| 15:09:55 | <jean-paul[m]> | Hm. Lots to think about here. Thanks. |
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| 22:49:31 | <johnw> | what's the good recommendation these days for someone who wants to start out with Haskell and functional programming? |
| 22:50:14 | <geekosaur> | the wikibook, I think |
| 22:50:19 | <geekosaur> | @where wikibook |
| 22:50:19 | <lambdabot> | http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Haskell |
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| 23:18:05 | <jackdk> | johnw: What sort of background does your student have? https://haskellbook.com/ got me over the hump and into my first industrial Haskell job a few years ago, but not everyone will want to work through a tome that slow and thorough. |
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