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| 13:05:33 | <erina> | @help pl |
| 13:05:34 | <lambdabot> | pointless <expr>. Play with pointfree code. |
| 13:05:56 | <erina> | @pl getLines >>= \ss -> print (sum $ map (calibrate . digits) ss) |
| 13:05:56 | <lambdabot> | print . sum . map (calibrate . digits) =<< getLines |
| 13:11:03 | <juri_> | mm. anyone here doing AI work, in haskell? |
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| 13:13:54 | <duncan> | There are fairly good tensorflow bindings but all of the other stuff which is important (e.g. equivalent of data-frame, and all the functions around that for transformation, regression) just aren't really there |
| 13:20:01 | <juri_> | fun. |
| 13:21:15 | <haskellbridge> | 05<irregularsphere> wait did the bridge not work all this time |
| 13:21:28 | <haskellbridge> | 05<irregularsphere> or did noone say anything during christmas eve |
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| 13:25:52 | Inst_ | is now known as Inst |
| 13:26:02 | <Inst> | read your blog post, monochrom, thanks for the education |
| 13:26:11 | <Inst> | catch is to be avoided, i'm still not really familiar with haskell's exception system :( |
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| 13:54:49 | <Ellenor> | / 223 |
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| 14:24:22 | <EvanR> | Inst, catching a specific exception is a thing you could possibly want to do, usually it's not though |
| 14:24:33 | <EvanR> | e.g. you try to open a file but it doesn't exist |
| 14:24:35 | <Inst> | doing network requests |
| 14:24:49 | <Inst> | what I want in Base 4.24: HTTP in base libraries |
| 14:24:53 | <Inst> | we're at 4.19 now, no? |
| 14:25:10 | <EvanR> | you try to open a file but it might not exist, but you don't want it to crash |
| 14:25:25 | <EvanR> | so there's an exception for that you can catch |
| 14:27:07 | <Inst> | you try to open a network file but it might not transmit properly, so there's an exceptino for that that you can catch |
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| 14:53:34 | <mniip> | the linux kernel ABI has a terrible exception handling story (because old C times) that leaks into every single programming language as a result |
| 14:56:32 | <mniip> | the errno enum is effectively open (there's no way you'd handle every single code). You never know which codes a particular syscall may return, partly because third party drivers might have a say in it |
| 14:56:49 | <mniip> | for similar reasons a given errno code may not mean what you expect |
| 14:57:24 | <mniip> | a fresh example from memory is `execve` returning ENOENT when the executable doesn't exist *or* when its dynamic linker (program interpreter) doesn't exist |
| 14:58:28 | <Franciman> | is it planned to have a formal semantics for standard haskell? |
| 14:59:14 | <mniip> | I don't think it's planned to have a standard haskell |
| 14:59:21 | <mniip> | there are no longer multiple competing implementations |
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| 15:01:58 | <Franciman> | oh nice, does ghc have a formal semantics? |
| 15:06:47 | <erina> | I have a getLines :: IO [String], I want to run fun :: String -> IO () on each of the elements, is there an elegant way |
| 15:07:32 | <ncf> | traverse_ fun =<< getLines |
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| 15:09:37 | <erina> | ncf, IO is not a traversible, I guess I need to fmap it? |
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| 15:10:32 | <Franciman> | :t traverse_ |
| 15:10:33 | <lambdabot> | (Foldable t, Applicative f) => (a -> f b) -> t a -> f () |
| 15:11:10 | <ncf> | erina: this isn't traversing an IO, it's traversing a [String] in IO |
| 15:11:37 | <erina> | :t traverse |
| 15:11:38 | <lambdabot> | (Traversable t, Applicative f) => (a -> f b) -> t a -> f (t b) |
| 15:11:51 | <Franciman> | :t \x -> (traverse_ x =<< getLines) |
| 15:11:52 | <lambdabot> | error: |
| 15:11:52 | <lambdabot> | • Variable not in scope: getLines :: m (t0 a) |
| 15:11:52 | <lambdabot> | • Perhaps you meant one of these: |
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| 15:12:13 | <erina> | getLines is a hand-written hacky function |
| 15:12:28 | <ncf> | :t \fun getLines -> traverse_ fun =<< getLines |
| 15:12:29 | <lambdabot> | (Monad m, Foldable t) => (a -> m b) -> m (t a) -> m () |
| 15:12:53 | <ncf> | m := IO, t := [], a := String, b := () |
| 15:13:11 | <erina> | Oh, I understood, the IO is unwrapped with =<< |
| 15:14:10 | <erina> | Lost my sanity for a sec |
| 15:14:46 | <mniip> | "unwrapped" is not a good way to call it |
| 15:19:57 | <erina> | Is "extracted" a good way then? The value is never moved out from a IO. That's for sure. |
| 15:20:36 | <mniip> | also no |
| 15:21:24 | <xerox> | sequenced with |
| 15:23:54 | <erina> | :t curry |
| 15:23:55 | <lambdabot> | ((a, b) -> c) -> a -> b -> c |
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| 21:00:02 | <haskellbridge> | 15<Jade> when I have an application that relies heavily on a type which is an instance of `MonadIO` as well as IO, do I just wrap everything in that type and use `liftIO` when appropriate? |
| 21:00:17 | <haskellbridge> | 15<Jade> I think monad transformers would make that easier, but I'm not sure how to work with them |
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| 21:49:31 | <monochrom> | In that case, liftIO is always type-correct. |
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| 21:50:19 | <monochrom> | Most monad transformers still require you to say "liftIO" all the time. |
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| 21:51:33 | <monochrom> | Actually, s/most/all existing/ |
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| 21:53:21 | <haskellbridge> | 15<Jade> okay, should I consider something like lifted base, or is that too much overhead for too little reward? |
| 21:55:00 | <monochrom> | That sounds like you don't know what is the extra thing lifted base does that liftIO doesn't. Corollary: You have not needed that extra thing, so you don't need it. |
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| 21:56:10 | <haskellbridge> | 15<Jade> haha okay |
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| 21:56:19 | <haskellbridge> | 15<Jade> thanks! |
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