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00:58:49 <erina> @pl \x -> tail x == 'A'
00:58:49 <lambdabot> ('A' ==) . tail
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01:14:13 <int-e> that won't type-check
01:14:53 <geekosaur> maybe you wanted `last` instead of `tail`?
01:14:57 <geekosaur> :t last
01:14:58 <lambdabot> [a] -> a
01:15:07 <geekosaur> (also note that it's partial)
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01:26:43 <erina> geekosaur, thank you for pointing out (I discovered this on a lsp error)
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04:31:11 <albet70> f config where f Config{..} = ... not in scope data constructor Config
04:31:31 <albet70> why use Config{..} in where, it causes not in scope?
04:32:42 <int-e> it doesn't?
04:34:52 <albet70> int-e , https://paste.tomsmeding.com/nmLbxuZ3
04:36:15 <int-e> You didn't import the Config data constructor, only the type constructor. Presumably you want to import Config(..)
04:36:35 <int-e> to get both the data constructor (which I assume is `Config` and the field accessors as well)
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04:38:15 <int-e> in any case it has nothing to do with using a `where` clause
04:39:40 <albet70> import Config, is import the type constructor, data Config(this is type constructor) = Config(this is data constructor) whatever ?
04:40:34 <albet70> I don't understand why import Config just import the type constructor? why not both?
04:41:11 <int-e> No deep reason; it's how the import (and export) syntax works.
04:41:47 <albet70> import MDNS.Config.Parse (getConfig, Config, Config(..)) still the same error
04:42:39 <int-e> Hmm does the module export the data constructor?
04:43:15 <int-e> (I'm assuming that this is your own module)
04:44:28 <albet70> I see, thanks
04:45:13 <int-e> albet70: and yes, you names type constructor and data constructor correctly in your example
04:51:24 <erina> Is there a function for maximum with a custom compare?
04:51:32 <int-e> "No deep reason" -- the main thing people want is to make a completely abstract type, where only the type constructor is exported and a selection of curated functions. So that's why exporting `Config` only exports the type constructor, and the import declarations mirror that behavior. It could have been done differently of course.
04:52:06 <int-e> :t maximumBy
04:52:07 <lambdabot> Foldable t => (a -> a -> Ordering) -> t a -> a
04:52:24 <erina> hmmmmm, I wonder why the lsp didn't inform me about this
04:52:31 <erina> @hoogle maximumBy
04:52:31 <lambdabot> Data.List maximumBy :: Foldable t => (a -> a -> Ordering) -> t a -> a
04:52:31 <lambdabot> Data.Foldable maximumBy :: Foldable t => (a -> a -> Ordering) -> t a -> a
04:52:31 <lambdabot> GHC.OldList maximumBy :: (a -> a -> Ordering) -> [a] -> a
04:53:23 <erina> @hoogle maximumOn
04:53:23 <lambdabot> Data.List.Extra maximumOn :: (Partial, Ord b) => (a -> b) -> [a] -> a
04:53:23 <lambdabot> Extra maximumOn :: (Partial, Ord b) => (a -> b) -> [a] -> a
04:53:23 <lambdabot> Algorithms.Geometry.LinearProgramming.LP2DRIC maximumOn :: (Ord r, Fractional r) => LPState 2 r -> Line 2 r -> Maybe (Point 2 r)
04:56:34 <erina> How do I use Data.Hashtable? GHC can't find the module...... which is supposed to be in base
04:56:42 <erina> *Data.HashTable
04:58:26 <int-e> it hasn't been in base for 9 years (it was removed in base-4.7.0.0)
04:58:35 <int-e> almost 10
04:59:53 <erina> Oh my
05:00:15 <erina> So I have to use Data.HashMap or something?
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05:00:31 <int-e> yeah unordered-containers is a replacement
05:01:09 <int-e> or, you know, Data.Map
05:01:57 <EvanR> the main difference between Map and HashMap are the required capability of keys, Ord or Hashable
05:02:00 <EvanR> respectively
05:02:54 <EvanR> if your key is both Ord and Hashable, one of those is probably cheaper
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05:28:04 <Guest12> I’m reading a tutorial about Megaparsec, and it mentions that using the infix operator (<*) with the eof parser and some other arbitrary parser “forces” the resultant parser to either each the end of the input or fail. Does anyone have any insight into how this works on an implementation level? I know the type signature of (<*), but I
05:28:04 <Guest12> don’t really get how it translates to the behaviour the tutorial describes.
05:29:35 <monochrom> In general, you can think of "foo <* bar" as performing both foo and bar, in that order; then the return value is taken from foo's; bar's return value is discarded.
05:35:57 <Guest12> I see.  I think that makes sense in the context of the tutorial.  Thanks
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07:10:11 <albet70> is there Map comprehension like List comprehension?
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07:21:01 <int-e> `fromListWith` takes a list, so list comprehensions seem good enough already
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07:47:33 <albet70> [ (x,y) | (x,ys) <- b, y <- ys ] ys is not in scope, how to fix?
07:48:07 <albet70> in python's list comprehension it's like [ (x,y) for y in ys for ys in b ]
07:48:48 <int-e> > [(x,y) | x:ys <- tails [1..5], y <- ys]
07:48:50 <lambdabot> [(1,2),(1,3),(1,4),(1,5),(2,3),(2,4),(2,5),(3,4),(3,5),(4,5)]
07:49:36 <int-e> albet70: no, it shouldn't complain about ys not being in scope *there*.
07:51:22 <albet70> > [ (x,y) | (x,ys) <- b, y <- ys ] where b = [("1",["1","2"])]
07:51:23 <lambdabot> <hint>:1:34: error: parse error on input ‘where’
07:51:57 <albet70> > let b = [("1",["1","2"])] in [(x,y) | (x,ys) <- b, y <- ys ]
07:51:59 <lambdabot> [("1","1"),("1","2")]
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08:01:32 <albet70> why haskell has too many ByteString?
08:01:47 <albet70> Data.ByteString.Lazy.ByteString
08:02:03 <albet70> Data.ByteString.Char8.ByteString
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08:02:27 <albet70> Data.ByteString.Internal.ByteString
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08:11:41 <mauke> albet70: are you asking about ByteString types or ByteString modules?
08:12:06 <albet70> https://paste.tomsmeding.com/tAE25XFf
08:12:25 <albet70> mauke , never mind, I solved it
08:13:38 <albet70> I run some forkIO inside an IO do notation, why it tells syntax error?
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08:17:22 <mauke> that 'config <- ...' line looks a bit weird. isn't that just 'let config = getConfig context'?
08:17:56 <mauke> albet70: the 'where' section terminates the declaration of 'main'
08:18:17 <mauke> after that, 'case v of ...' is just random code in the middle of the file, which Haskell doesn't like
08:22:37 <albet70> mauke , how to change 'where'?
08:22:49 <albet70> or can not?
08:25:27 <mauke> 'where' can only attach to declarations, not expressions
08:25:35 <int-e> That `where` is rather ill-fated. You could use `Config{..}` where you bind `config`.
08:25:40 <mauke> but it looks like you don't really need 'f' here
08:25:58 <int-e> Since that's the only purpose `f` seems to have... bringing whatever fields `Config` has into scope
08:26:13 <mauke> liftIO $ do { let Config{..} = config; ... }
08:26:38 <mauke> (replace { } by indentation as needed)
08:27:33 <int-e> I mean the Config{..} could be on line 9 already
08:27:51 <int-e> with no need to name that thing `config` at any point
08:28:57 <mauke> or indeed 'let Config{..} = getConfig context'
08:29:23 <mauke> ah, no
08:29:41 <mauke> there is an 'Either' in there
08:29:52 <albet70> yes, there's an Either!
08:30:11 <int-e> but that's from `return`?
08:30:47 <mauke> isn't that IO's return?
08:30:57 <int-e> On line 9?
08:31:03 <int-e> Oh.
08:31:17 <int-e> yes, you're right
08:31:28 <albet70> promblem solved, thanks
08:31:40 <albet70> use let Config{..} = config instead of 'where'
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08:33:13 <int-e> This whole use of ExceptT for capturing an error from a singular source feels awkward.
08:33:46 <albet70> how to change that?
08:34:22 <int-e> you could run the `getConfig context` IO action and check for the error right there
08:34:56 <int-e> or is that even an IO action.... it's not, it's just an Either value, right?
08:35:40 <albet70> since getConfig context will get Either value, and I don't want to use lots <$> to map on that Either value
08:35:50 <albet70> so I use ExceptT
08:36:50 <albet70> getConfig context is not an IO action, it's actually Aeson's eitherDecode
08:42:04 <int-e> well in my opinion "ExceptT $ ((return . getConfig) context :: IO (Either String Config))" is an eye sore; it's causing unecessary cognitive overload.
08:42:52 <int-e> something that a straightforward `case getConfig context of Left s -> print s; Right (Config{..}) -> do ...` would not suffer from.
08:45:47 <albet70> ok
08:47:02 <albet70> some function return Either value, some do not, it's so mixed
08:48:54 <albet70> Aeson's eitherDecode get Either, readFile do not, newMVar do not, Network.DNS.Decode's decode get Either, Network.Socket's recvFrom do not
08:49:05 <albet70> and all those actions are mixed
08:49:16 <albet70> IO actions and Either actions
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09:39:36 <albet70> since when 'compose' came into Data.Map.Strict? https://hackage.haskell.org/package/containers-0.7/docs/Data-Map-Strict.html#v:compose
09:40:09 <Rembane> albet70: Since: 0.6.3.1, it says so at the bottom of the function description.
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09:41:06 <albet70> how to know which version is installed?
09:41:35 <albet70> :t compose is not in scpoe in ghci
09:41:36 <lambdabot> error: parse error on input ‘in’
09:42:01 <Rembane> Are you in a project?
09:42:09 <Rembane> Is it using stack? cabal?
09:42:40 <albet70> cabal
09:43:23 <albet70> ghc 8.8.4
09:45:25 <Rembane> Try this command: cabal list --installed
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14:07:38 <albet70> https://hackage.haskell.org/package/containers-0.7/docs/src/Data.Map.Internal.html#compose could be compose empty ab = empty?
14:08:21 <albet70> compose empty _ = empty; compose bc ab = mapMaybe (bc !?) ab
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14:12:56 <haskellbridge> 15<J​ade> is it possible to have an instance along the lines of `instance SomeConstraint s => SomeConstraint (a -> s a)` where a is the "free" variable in the instance?
14:12:56 <haskellbridge> 15<J​ade> My current "solution" is to have `newtype Foo s a = Foo { getFoo :: a -> s a }` and the instance head is then `instance SomeConstraint s => SomeConstraint (Foo s)`
14:13:07 <haskellbridge> 15<J​ade> is there a way to achieve this without having the newtype wrapper?
14:15:16 <albet70> left-value right-value, empty can not be evaled in left
14:15:42 <albet70> what is empty Map look like
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14:18:50 <bwe> parseOnly (scientific) "1.000" -- expected is 1000; how do I skip the "." while parsing "1.000" ?
14:19:03 <bwe> Right 1.0
14:28:11 <erina> bwe. sorry if I didn't get what you mean...... but I guess filter isDigit can rid the '.'
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14:48:31 <albet70> how to config parameter in cabal's main-is?
14:49:41 <bwe> erina: I want to have the parser filter to digits only; however can I use filter isDigit in :: Parser Double ?
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15:47:42 <cheater> geekosaur: could you please rename haskellbridge to something shorter, preferably just one character?
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15:55:41 <glguy> cheater: you might be able to configure your client to do a better job with it, e.g. https://0x0.st/s/vuzxDxIQ5XoAB_U_xLBHdw/HE5B.png
15:56:29 <cheater> nah, my client doesn't do advanced stuff like that
15:56:38 <cheater> it's a good idea but doesn't really work
15:56:47 <cheater> what client are you using glguy?
15:58:17 <glguy> https://hackage.haskell.org/package/glirc
16:00:09 <cheater> does it have >1 user
16:00:12 <cheater> :)
16:00:18 <cheater> lol
16:00:22 <cheater> jk :)
16:00:49 <cheater> really happy there's *finally* an irc client in haskell
16:00:57 <cheater> literally every irc client out there is just... bad
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16:01:57 <glguy> Yeah, pretty many
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16:02:32 <glguy> More from people installing it from their distro than the haskell programmer who I know that use it
16:02:42 <cheater> oh interesting
16:02:50 <cheater> any plans on a windowed (desktop) version?
16:03:30 <glguy> No
16:04:56 <cheater> too bad!
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16:08:07 <cheater> glguy: does it do that thing where you can leave a client running on a vps somewhere and connect to the client from where ever?
16:08:19 <cheater> (your desktop, phone, ...)
16:08:54 <cheater> i guess it's called a bouncer, or a tunnel, or proxy
16:13:28 <haskellbridge> 14<m​auke> Or ssh + a terminal client running in tmux on the server
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16:14:46 <glguy> cheater: it has good support for connecting via a bouncer, which is how I use it
16:15:02 <cheater> what sort of bouncer do you use?
16:17:08 <glguy> I use both znc and soju
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16:18:42 <cheater> you use two? why?
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16:23:21 <glguy> I wanted to have options and as a used soju I found stuff that wasn't quite right and got it fixed. I have this connection I use for chatting and another I use fora server status client I use to help with managing the network
16:23:44 <cheater> thanks
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17:01:42 haskellbridge 06<s​m> likes the bridge's matrix avatar
17:01:48 <haskellbridge> 06<s​m> +1 attention to detail
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17:48:25 <petrichor> new year's resolution: do more with haskell
17:49:15 petrichor realises they can probably fulfill this with tidalcycles alone >_<
17:49:38 <monochrom> Why commit to a resolution until you really need to. >:)
17:50:08 <darkling> I think mine's 320x192.
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18:04:44 <haskellbridge> 14<m​aerwald> new year's resolution: do less for Haskell
18:13:07 <cheater> haskell is too successful
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18:31:22 <duncan> cheater: it is missing for loops
18:31:32 <duncan> in 2023
18:32:29 <cheater> duncan: at least it has BASIC and GOTO
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18:36:27 <EvanR> > for [0..n-1] $ \i -> print i
18:36:29 <lambdabot> <IO [()]>
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18:42:22 <haskellbridge> 14<m​aerwald> not a real for loop
18:42:42 <haskellbridge> 14<m​aerwald> https://gist.github.com/hasufell/b5d00650a03809cccabfb07dcae0d987
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19:30:37 <cheater> Your name will be on board NASA’s Europa Clipper spacecraft as it travels 1.8 billion miles to explore Jupiter’s icy moon!
19:30:52 <cheater> if anyone wants to send someone to outer space, here's your chance.
19:30:58 <cheater> i think it's only today, but not sure.
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20:13:44 <monochrom> (Very obscured joke reference) All for-loops are real, unless declared integer. :)
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20:32:27 <c_wraith> monochrom: my programs magically tended to get faster after I discovered DEFINT A-Z
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20:39:00 <monochrom> :)
20:39:40 <monochrom> Me too in Haskell with "default (Int)" >:)
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21:26:23 <monochrom> Javascript needs DEFINT A-Z too >:)
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21:54:43 <cheater> haksell needs DEFSTRICT
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22:02:59 <nullie> I wonder why Haskell chose wrapping behaviour for Int operations
22:10:20 <monochrom> It is a nice way to implement laziness.
22:11:07 <monochrom> At the minimum you have to spend at least 1 bit to say "I am unevaluated" vs "I am evaluated".
22:12:02 <monochrom> Your only choice is take 64 bits and sacrify 1 bit, or take 64x2 bits and sacrify 64 bits.
22:12:27 <monochrom> GHC (generally the STG machine paper) chose the latter.
22:12:40 <int-e> "wrapping", har
22:12:51 <nullie> I mean why max_bound + 1 wraps and not raises and exception
22:12:53 <int-e> > 2^63 :: Int
22:12:54 <lambdabot> -9223372036854775808
22:13:26 <geekosaur> because raising an exception means adding an extra machine operation for every Int operation
22:13:32 <monochrom> Oh that. Someone made a very pragmatic decision that offended all the theorists and aestheticists.
22:14:53 <geekosaur> most CPUs, and in particular the most common CPUs, don't support automatically raising an exception on wrap
22:15:01 <geekosaur> they just set a bit that has to be tested
22:17:22 <nullie> I see, that makes sense
22:18:19 <geekosaur> (the idea being that you can chain operations using the bit to carry into another word, so Int128 would be relatively cheap)
22:18:51 <monochrom> Fortunately, because career is a zero-sum game, theorists can't write compilers that do what they want, so all they can do is make noise. >:)
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23:38:20 <cheater> happy ny
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23:39:37 <haskellbridge> 15<J​ade> happy new year
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