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02:29:05 <Guest|96> hi
02:29:50 <EvanR> hi
02:30:43 <Guest|96> "ghcup --metadata-fetching-mode=Strict --cache install ghc recommended" failed!
02:30:53 <Guest|96> anyone know how to solve this?
02:32:23 <Guest|96> O:3 O:3
02:32:39 <nitrix> Given the information provided, I'd say it'd probably work better if instead of failing it didn't.
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02:34:07 <geekosaur> are you perhaps behind a firewall?
02:34:33 <geekosaur> I would expect there is more information you aren't showing us
02:34:37 <geekosaur> @where paste
02:34:37 <lambdabot> Help us help you: please paste full code, input and/or output at e.g. https://paste.tomsmeding.com
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04:15:13 <haskellbridge> <m​aerwald> I can adjust the IRC chat link so that their nicknames will show the platform they're on xD
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05:41:29 <monochrom> Hahaha so we will be getting "<Winblows-loser-951> Hi ghcup has failed, what should I do?"
05:42:02 <lisbeths> We've got a community of 12 people in #lambdacalculus now. if you like any variation of lambda calculus consider joining.
05:43:00 <monochrom> (Don't worry, the other possibilities are Linsux, Slowaris, FragmentedBSD. >:) )
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05:59:49 <haskellbridge> <m​aerwald> Supporting FreeBSD is work.
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06:54:50 <c_wraith> Hmm. Should Data.Set (and Data.IntSet) provide operators for use with -XQualifiedDo?
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09:24:06 <[exa]> c_wraith: what would be the usecase? pasting sets together nicely? or something like ListT but actually SetT ?
09:25:32 <c_wraith> More narrow than that. It'd just let you sort of pretend sets are monads. It's a lot like the List instance, but automatically removes duplicates.
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09:37:13 <[exa]> interesting, it would kinda imply strictness right? so maybe useful as a BFS-ish counterpart to DFS-ish ListT
09:39:46 <c_wraith> some sort of strictness, anyway. Once you do anything to cause demand for the evaluation of the result, it would force pretty much everything.
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11:03:12 <danza> huh i just updated cabal packages and now my `runhaskell` fails writing i ought to set package base, which fails writing `main` cannot be found ...
11:04:18 <danza> did not expect package updates to be that disruptive
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11:05:55 <danza> but maybe this happens because i also installed a package with --lib and that created one of those troublesome environments, thinking about it
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11:26:22 <haskellbridge> <i​rregularsphere> monochrom: "(Don't worry, the other possibilities are Linsux, Slowaris, FragmentedBSD. >:) )" so you're a mac user?
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11:27:01 <probie> isn't mac just another flavour of FragmentedBSD?
11:27:56 <haskellbridge> <i​rregularsphere> by that logic Linsux is another flavour of FragmentedBSD
11:28:58 <Rembane> Everything is BSD!
11:30:11 <probie> Linux doesn't derive from BSD
11:30:37 <probie> macOS is genuinely a BSD
11:30:47 <haskellbridge> <i​rregularsphere> damn
11:30:56 <haskellbridge> <i​rregularsphere> never knew about that fact
11:31:19 <haskellbridge> <i​rregularsphere> ...oh right there's a reason why there's a lot of *-BSD
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17:42:31 <monochrom> (Belated) Yeah I forgot WackOS >:)
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19:23:48 <SrPx> if I want to run a newly generated Haskell file as fast as possible, what are my options? assume the file takes <1s to run. obviously GHC -O2 is the fastest way to run Haskell in general, but since this is a brand new file, the compilation time must be taken in account. so, among the options to run a haskell file with little startup time / no compilation, which is the fastest?
19:25:17 <int-e> runghc may do the trick
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19:32:41 <SrPx> okay ty
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19:42:10 <haskellbridge> <s​m> runghc and compile it in the background for next time ?
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19:42:41 <haskellbridge> <s​m> best to test
19:43:38 <geekosaur> there's actually not a way to run haskell without compiling it (barring Hugs). runghc compiles without optimization (very fast) to bytecode
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19:45:13 <haskellbridge> <s​m> microhs could be another option
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20:10:52 <SrPx> geekosaur: ah, I didn't know
20:11:00 <SrPx> so no jit either I guess
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20:13:24 <geekosaur> the bytecode backend doesn't get a lot of love, sadly
20:13:45 <geekosaur> it's taken a couple decades for someone to fix the unboxed tuple bug
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20:15:59 <SrPx> which is that?
20:17:32 <geekosaur> the bytecode backend couldn't tell the difference between boxed and unboxed tuples, so if you used an unboxed tuple it would dump core. (IO/ST avoids this by codegen seeing one element of the tuple has no runtime representation and removing it)
20:18:27 <geekosaur> since one of the earliest optimizations unboxes tuples, that meant optimization was disabled with the bytecode backend
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20:19:27 <geekosaur> ghc 9.8.1 has the fix but it's still experimental so you need to pass an extra parameter to enable optimization in bytecode mode (-fno-unoptimized-core-for-interpreter)
20:21:00 <hololeap> oh, that's why it runghc won't let you use -O1
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20:21:15 <geekosaur> yep
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20:34:49 <geekosaur> fwiw I think https://gitlab.haskell.org/ghc/ghc/-/issues/1257 is the original ticket. the original determination was WONTFIX, but then unboxed sums came around and they realized they needed to do something about it after all
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21:23:24 <[exa]> dmj`: I wish I had one. :D
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21:49:44 <[exa]> dmj`: this won't do? https://github.com/coord-e/impl-outsidein
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