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09:02:10 <danse-nr3> some day slack will get a parser
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09:47:16 <Inst> hmmm
09:47:34 <Inst> just curious, would you gals and guys be interested in joining a social marketplace I want to set up?
09:47:43 <Inst> I realize my old dream of building wordpress in Haskell could be done this way
09:47:53 <Inst> Haskript is never going to make any money
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09:48:48 <Inst> on the other hand, a service that undercuts FiveRR by massive sums, is willing to pay companies to hire off the social marketplace, provides ideally a better experience than LinkedIn,
09:49:27 <Inst> and sells various services to users to compensate for lost revenue, can
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09:54:35 <danse-nr3> not sure how this would look like but could give it a try. Products in haskell are so rare
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09:58:58 <danse-nr3> although saw some products in the past trying to launch leveraging the fact that they are written in haskell, and seems lame
09:59:23 <kuribas> Is using generics still "boring haskell"?
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09:59:34 <kuribas> like "DeriveGeneric".
10:02:01 <Hecate> kuribas: if it allows you to derive JSON interfacee automatically yes
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10:11:44 <tomsmeding> never mind that the implementation of said JSON derivation code is not boring haskell at all
10:13:28 <kuribas> ah true.
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10:13:51 <kuribas> maybe avoid derive any then...
10:14:21 <tomsmeding> I mean, it depends on what you mean by "boring haskell", and that depends on what you want to achieve with it
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10:14:53 <tomsmeding> do you want your code to be easy to read, even to more junior haskellers? Then it doesn't really matter how the deriving machinery is implemented, as long as it's a sturdy black box
10:15:11 <tomsmeding> if you're idealistically motivated, then it matters a whole lot, but then, you know, that's your problem :p
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10:31:12 <kuribas> tomsmeding: yes that. And actually I think it possible to write clean haskell code without to much type hackery.
10:31:22 <kuribas> So a bit of both.
10:36:27 <kuribas> It is a nice challenge to be able to write haskell code that is simple and still well structured and performant.
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13:41:23 <Inst> also, btw, either this year or next few years will literally be the year of linux on desktop :3
13:42:05 <Inst> China is banning Intel and AMD, Microsoft Windows from government computers
13:42:27 <Inst> China has a love-hate relationship with Apple, so they're likely to push Kylin Linux or some derivatives in
13:42:38 <Inst> shame that NixOS is so niche, though
13:44:29 <terrorjack> Inst, probably better for #haskell-offtopic but it's not yet a big deal before m$ shuts down their china branch. also they have a special windows 10 for chinese gov that disables all m$ telemetry which still runs on x86_64
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13:51:58 <Inst> sorry, was just trying to think of some cheerful topics, it's like, Linux is close to going mainstream, FP is pretty mainstream these days
13:52:05 <Inst> one day maybe Haskell will be too :3
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14:16:46 <terrorjack> have you heard of job security by obscurity /s
14:17:55 <terrorjack> joke aside, would be nice to have some success stories for haskell on non compiler or web backend things
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14:38:40 <probie> Like pandoc and git-annex?
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14:53:18 <edmundnoble_> fwiw if anyone's curious about the cabal caching VCS thing I was doing the other day, I solved it for myself by just making a "current cache" symlink which I always use as the builddir. Unfortunately my approach of using hard links to avoid using unnecessary space sort of falls apart due to linked executables being the things that actually take up all of the space in the cache.
14:54:50 <edmundnoble_> cabal will also just die if I try to delete the executables and repopulate them on demand, because seemingly it just assumes the executables are there if the other artifacts are
14:55:53 <edmundnoble_> But hey, it works. It'll waste a bunch of space, but I happen to have enough for that right now
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15:25:56 <shapr> @quote
15:25:56 <lambdabot> roadfish says: Haskell Platform is promoted as a "batteries included" setup. But it seems these are like alkaline batteries and cabal is a NiMH charger.
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19:37:09 <tomsmeding> how would you call this function?
19:37:16 <tomsmeding> :t \f (x, y) -> (,y) <$> f x
19:37:17 <lambdabot> Functor f => (t1 -> f t2) -> (t1, t3) -> f (t2, t3)
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19:39:16 <ncf> something something right strength
19:39:50 <tomsmeding> I mean, I would call it 'firstM' but it not needing Functor, the M is not really applicable
19:40:19 <tomsmeding> there's conventional *M and *A suffixes but no *F, and in any case this belongs, intuitively, in the *A/*M sets
19:40:36 <ncf> https://hackage.haskell.org/package/profunctors-5.6.2/docs/src/Data.Profunctor.Strong.html#line-120
19:40:49 <tomsmeding> first'
19:41:50 <ncf> or uuuh
19:41:57 <ncf> :t _1
19:41:58 <lambdabot> (Field1 s t a b, Functor f) => (a -> f b) -> s -> f t
19:42:25 tomsmeding doesn't have lens as a dependency and is not intending to change that
19:43:49 <tomsmeding> hm
19:43:56 <tomsmeding> I'll just stay with firstM I think :)
19:44:18 <tomsmeding> the awkward thing is that I then also have secondM and bimapM and they don't even have the same typeclass constraint on f (think about it)
19:46:05 <ncf> secondM should have Functor and bimapM should have Applicative
19:46:11 <tomsmeding> indeed
19:46:14 <ncf> ...not the greatest names
19:46:17 <tomsmeding> no
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19:46:38 <tomsmeding> they make more sense to me than first', especially because I intend to use them in a monadic context
19:47:40 <ncf> i mean first' is the class method
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19:50:19 <tomsmeding> profunctors is not in my dependency tree either :p
19:51:34 <ncf> what kind of primitive technology are you building that doesn't depend on profunctors
19:51:55 <tomsmeding> my dependencies are: base, containers, mtl, monad-chronicle, these
19:52:41 <tomsmeding> the latter two only because I'm defining an instance of MonadChronicle at some point that I don't really use -- just its methods, but it felt neat to write the instance anyway
19:52:49 <tomsmeding> as in, I don't use MonadChronicle polymorphically
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19:57:56 <sm> terrorjack: +1 on success stories.. "real world apps" is a related FAQ, I just gathered some lists. Here are a few:
19:57:59 <sm> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31664490 (2022)
19:57:59 <sm> https://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/eddwbu/top_nonprogrammingrelated_haskell_apps/ (2019)
19:57:59 <sm> https://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/2wicxt/what_are_the_best_real_world_applications/ (2015)
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20:30:52 <shapr> I've had friends / coworkers say Haskell isn't for real world use, I point them to my tiny utilities like https://github.com/shapr/sandwatch and https://github.com/shapr/bloohm and https://github.com/shapr/takedouble
20:37:05 <shapr> I also say that Haskell is fast enough to use in a CLI wrapper like sandwatch
20:38:16 <geekosaur> they're just afraid
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20:43:19 <shapr> change is hard, I can understand that
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20:46:02 <glguy> I'm glad I don't live in the real world; it sounds like a bleak place
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21:34:26 <EvanR> real world is deeply magical
21:34:54 <tomsmeding> EvanR: you would say that haskell is not sufficiently `magic`al?
21:35:15 <geekosaur> :t magic
21:35:15 <lambdabot> error: Variable not in scope: magic
21:35:18 <EvanR> I'll tell you yesterday, installs tardis
21:35:21 <geekosaur> apparently not 😛
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22:27:45 <shapr> @quote
22:27:45 <lambdabot> xDie says: <xDie> > 1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1 + 2.3
22:27:53 shapr is confused
22:28:42 <Rembane> Now that's a cursed IP address.
22:30:09 <ncf> > 1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1 + 2.3
22:30:10 <lambdabot> error:
22:30:10 <lambdabot> • Could not deduce (Fractional (b0 -> c))
22:30:10 <lambdabot> (maybe you haven't applied a function to enough arguments?)
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