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02:51:38 <haskellbridge> <i​rregularsphere> ...right, the FuncOf precondition is probably not needed anyway
02:52:04 <haskellbridge> <i​rregularsphere> should I make a library out of this after polishing? seems promising
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04:04:41 <Inst> wait, Int is magical, right?
04:04:57 <Inst> Int, Char, etc, they should evaluate to Int# Thunk
04:05:05 <Inst> Char# Thunk
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04:14:47 <c_wraith> Int is not magical, other than the constructor name. Int# is magical
04:15:41 <c_wraith> Int is the regular Haskell wrapper around the magic Int#
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05:52:50 <dminuoso> In fact, Int will evaluate to Int.
05:52:57 <dminuoso> It's a box around Int#
05:53:15 <dminuoso> While GHC will aggressively try to unbox Int, you cannot rely on that.
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06:37:02 <renpose> So I'm using HKD with the barbies package, and I ended up writing `newtype F a f = F (f a) deriving (Generic, FunctorB, ApplicativeB, TraversableB)` since I cannot use `type TyF f = Identity (f Ty)` and use `TyF` partially applied in a type family. What is `F`? Surely it has a name?
06:38:12 <renpose> Is it just a higher-kinded version of the identity functor?
06:41:59 <dminuoso> renpose: Mmm, it's a kind of lifted ($) I guess.
06:42:57 <dminuoso> Apply might be a suitable name, though semigroupoids uses it for something else (namely Applicative sans pure)
06:43:12 <dminuoso> Or you could just call it Dollar. :-)
06:43:32 <dminuoso> Or you could just straight up name it :$ or :$:
06:43:34 <renpose> `($) == flip id` isn't it?
06:43:45 <dminuoso> No, ($) = id.
06:43:46 <renpose> I like :$:
06:44:08 <renpose> Oh yeah, brainfart
06:45:35 <jackdk> it's more like `(&) = flip ($)`, no?
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11:08:46 <Inst> dminuoso: the problem is, whenever I try to seq a value of type int, I just get the constructor
11:09:23 <Inst> there's a nice Julian girl, well, not sure what to call her, with OCaml experience who's playing around with Haskell these days
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11:09:44 <Inst> has a Haskell background, and was complaining about her scanl1 being inefficient because it was defined via maps
11:10:39 <Inst> it was, but not because of the reason she thought (i.e, O(n^log n, I think) because of the maps, but because of the thunks she was accumulating
11:10:52 <Inst> so went on about laziness
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11:11:41 <Inst> but basically, literally, every Int has a WHNF of Int Int# iirc
11:11:52 <Inst> Int _
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11:27:22 <tomsmeding> Int is just `data Int = I# Int#`
11:27:26 <tomsmeding> so yes, it is lazy
11:31:06 <Inst> and iirc even if i seq an Int constructor (but not deepseq), it won't evaluate the underlying number
11:31:30 <Inst> is that called boxing?
11:32:34 <Inst> the implication is also that addition in Haskell... well, i wasn't actualyl that surprised by that!
11:32:48 <Inst> addition, basic arithmetic operations, is also lazy
11:33:17 <Inst> not until i pattern match, run an eq, or do something like print
11:33:28 <tomsmeding> I think seq'ing an Int constructor will evaluate the Int#
11:33:52 <tomsmeding> Int# is an unlifted data type, so it has no bottom value
11:34:06 <tomsmeding> so if you evaluate until you have an I#, you automatically also have the Int# inside
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12:18:16 <Inst> so it's sort of the reverse of newtype?
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12:28:15 <lyxia> it's different
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12:42:47 <tomsmeding> https://hackage.haskell.org/package/base-4.19.1.0/docs/GHC-Exts.html#t:RuntimeRep
12:43:15 <tomsmeding> % :i Int#
12:43:15 <yahb2> type Int# :: TYPE 'IntRep ; data Int# ; -- Defined in ‘GHC.Prim’
12:43:21 <tomsmeding> Int# is unboxed
12:43:34 <tomsmeding> (which is something different from "unlifted", which is what I said before)
12:44:14 <tomsmeding> boxed values are those that are represented by a pointer to a heap location
12:44:24 <tomsmeding> lifted values are those that can be bottom (i.e. that are "lazy")
12:45:06 <tomsmeding> boxed types can be unlifted; this means that _|_ is not an element of that type
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12:46:11 <tomsmeding> with -XUnliftedDatatypes you can define your own unlifted data types https://downloads.haskell.org/ghc/latest/docs/users_guide/exts/primitives.html#extension-UnliftedDatatypes
12:46:44 <tomsmeding> unboxed types can never be lifted (because they are not represented by a pointer, they are just the value itself), hence the liftedness distinction applies to boxed types only
12:47:13 <tomsmeding> when I figured out the model of how this works, I was delighted by how structured it really is
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13:32:03 <haskellbridge> <i​rregularsphere> is there a haskell feature/system that can create new kinds?
13:32:59 <ncf> https://ghc.gitlab.haskell.org/ghc/doc/users_guide/exts/data_kinds.html
13:33:43 <haskellbridge> <i​rregularsphere> thanks (man, you know everything)
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13:42:28 <tomsmeding> (DataKinds is a feature that you absolutely _cannot miss_ if you want to do dependently-typed-ish stuff in haskell)
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15:10:48 <carbolymer> asyncs are reusing threads, right?
15:11:19 <carbolymer> i.e. if I do `throwTo` to async's thread, it doesn't die right away, does it?
15:13:07 <EvanR> messing with async's thread without going through async sounds questionable
15:13:16 <carbolymer> oh it does https://hackage.haskell.org/package/async-2.2.5/docs/Control-Concurrent-Async.html#v:cancel
15:13:23 <EvanR> you can cancel an async thread through async
15:13:30 <c_wraith> Well, it dies whenever the exception is delivered.
15:13:41 <c_wraith> A thread can run for a long time without receiving an async exception
15:13:50 <c_wraith> .. if the code is written in just the right way.
15:14:45 <carbolymer> no complaints on async implementation
15:15:07 <carbolymer> tbh it's the best concurrency api I've worked with
15:15:14 <EvanR> me too
15:15:58 <EvanR> it makes simple stuff simple
15:16:13 <EvanR> and doesn't try to claim that complicated stuff is simple
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15:44:01 <dminuoso> Sigh, Im starting to really want named parameters.
15:46:42 <EvanR> pass in a record ?
15:46:57 <dminuoso> For a one-off function?
15:47:05 <EvanR> even better
15:47:06 <dminuoso> With only one call-site?
15:47:19 <EvanR> then you can hide it all without worry about name pollution
15:48:17 <EvanR> if you start doing N of these one off one call site things you have a point
15:48:19 <dminuoso> It's just all so disconnected.
15:50:36 <carbolymer> dminuoso: I was literally thinking this while looking at a function with 13 argumens in my teammate's PR
15:51:17 <dminuoso> It feels like fmap{f = (* 2), x = Just 2} should be a thing. Id be totally fine with restrictions like having to name all (named) arguments.
15:51:22 <carbolymer> dminuoso: https://hackage.haskell.org/package/named-0.3.0.1/docs/Named.html
15:51:41 <dminuoso> Especially since record construction already in itself has named parameters, considering the data constructor is a function too.
15:52:34 <dminuoso> carbolymer: Hah, fun coincidence I have needle and haysteck as two names for my usecase too!
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15:53:29 <dminuoso> Yeah, Im aware you can conjure something with Symbol, but it introducing a whole dependency just to avoid writing a separate data type for a one-off thing seems like overkill too.
15:54:10 <EvanR> the paper "extensible records with scoped labels", yet another application of extensible records, strikes again
15:54:34 <EvanR> your notation could be interpreted as passing in an anonymous extensible record
15:55:43 <dminuoso> Honestly, Im rather surprised this syntax is restricted to just constructors.
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17:23:52 <tomsmeding> yeah there's more libraries like that https://hackage.haskell.org/package/tagged-0.8.8/docs/Data-Tagged.html
17:24:08 <tomsmeding> (tagged is more low-tech)
17:25:24 <tomsmeding> but that doesn't do anything to reduce the feeling of "this is overkill"
17:32:09 <mauke> you know what they say: there's no such thing as "too much overkill"
17:33:07 <EvanR> cycle "over" ++ "kill"
17:33:20 <EvanR> does not terminate. QED
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21:33:59 <cheater> is there a way to download all of stackage easily
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21:34:06 <cheater> and then use that as a resolver for cabal or whatever
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21:36:18 <dolio> You mean you want to download all the archives? Or a list of versions to use with cabal?
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21:37:22 <cheater> archives
21:37:41 <cheater> it's probably fine if it's one archive per package, as long as they all work with each other
21:38:27 <cheater> or like. mostly work
21:38:30 <cheater> most of them
21:38:32 <cheater> etc etc
21:38:36 <sm> https://github.com/haskell/hackage-security/tree/master/hackage-repo-tool might be part of it
21:38:40 <cheater> can't have it perfect
21:38:58 <cheater> hmm interesting, ty
21:40:35 <cheater> jesus that's pretty complex still though
21:40:42 <cheater> i thought it would be easier
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21:40:49 <cheater> i guess not a common need
21:41:12 <sm> I've seen discussion of "private hackage repositories" somewhere
21:41:21 <geekosaur> except in the corporate world, and I'm not sure they publish their tools
21:41:36 <cheater> sm yeah that's what this repo refers to at the top of the readme
21:41:36 <sm> #haskell-stack:matrix.org will know more about how to tackle it with stack
21:42:10 <cheater> you'd think having local copies of package repos would be more popular given the recent rise in supply chain vectors
21:43:12 <dolio> How does pre-downloading the attack help you avoid that?
21:43:33 <cheater> that's a pretty big assumption you're making there
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21:45:01 <sm> also: https://cabal.readthedocs.io/en/3.4/installing-packages.html#local-no-index-repositories
21:45:43 <cheater> hell yea
21:45:48 <cheater> that's exactly how i imagined it
21:46:44 <cheater> thanks a lot sm
21:47:21 <cheater> i guess you could use stack with an lts resolver and just hammer all the packages it has one by one and put them in a dir like that
21:47:22 <haskellbridge> <s​m> np. You've still got to get a copy of all needed tarballs
21:47:32 <cheater> and then you never have to touch stack again
21:47:49 <cheater> the which is the preferable way to use stack
21:48:29 <haskellbridge> <s​m> do you simply want to point cabal to a stackage snapshot, with a suitable entry in cabal.project ?
21:50:05 <haskellbridge> <s​m> someone here will know how to do that.. discussion here: https://github.com/haskell/cabal/issues/7556
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21:50:35 <cheater> well the idea is for the snapshot to be on my computer
21:50:59 <haskellbridge> <s​m> ah
21:52:56 <haskellbridge> <s​m> if you install a few big packages with either cabal or stack, most of these tarballs will be available under ~/.cabal or ~/.stack :)
21:53:04 <cheater> heh
21:53:12 <cheater> well, the idea is to keep those packages around for a while
21:53:26 <cheater> so not just download them and use them immediately
21:53:30 <haskellbridge> <s​m> sure. But copy them from there to your new dir
21:53:33 <cheater> like dolio said, that doesn't do much
21:53:35 <cheater> right
21:53:59 <cheater> well, i'm satisfied that it's possible
21:54:03 <cheater> that's all i really needed to know
21:54:12 <haskellbridge> <s​m> actually, copy them from ~/.stack so they all come from the desired snapshot.
21:54:42 <haskellbridge> <s​m> poor man's stackage-mirroring workflow, until you find the right way
21:55:01 <cheater> aye
21:55:19 <cheater> eh i think the file information should be available somehow somewhere at which point you're just wgeting all things
21:55:23 <cheater> it's fine though
21:55:28 <cheater> don't need to figure this one out rn
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21:55:29 <cheater> :)
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