Logs on 2024-05-04 (liberachat/#haskell)

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00:49:17	<[Leary]>	tomsmeding: Your syntax highlighting is failing on operators with -- in them: https://paste.tomsmeding.com/6sm4DHiK
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00:51:11	<geekosaur>	noticed that (guess why…), I assume it's because it's a canned package that doesn't understand Haskell operator rules
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03:56:51	<c_wraith>	geekosaur: according to the github link, it's custom syntax highlighting
03:56:57	<c_wraith>	https://github.com/tomsmeding/pastebin-haskell/blob/master/HighlightCSS.hs
03:57:41	<c_wraith>	wait, that's not the right thing
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03:59:39	<c_wraith>	Ah, yeah. Ok, it's highlight.js
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07:04:37	<tomsmeding>	yeah this is an extremely canned package
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07:05:20	<tomsmeding>	if you have better suggestions please tell me
07:06:19	<tomsmeding>	it's indeed highlight.js, I have to preprocess the css a bit because I want it to apply on certain selectors only, and the css as provided is too general
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07:06:54	<tomsmeding>	(to provide light/dark mode)
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07:07:51	<tomsmeding>	some mentions so that you see this even if it's some hours late [Leary] geekosaur c_wraith
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16:12:57	<raehik>	I want to expose a Text-based Builder in a typeclass, and for ergonomics I want users to use OverloadedStrings for easy literals. Can I rely on GHC to always inline/erase the Strings into Text(/the Builder type)?
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16:13:29	<raehik>	perhaps the underlying question: what is the performance story of IsString? I see a `String -> a` and I panic about a wasted allocation
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16:34:46	<probie>	raehik: That depends on the definition of `fromString`. However, a quick test with `-O1` and `someText :: Text; someText = "some text"` shows that at least for `Text`, it exhibits the behaviour you want (i.e there's never any `String` in the core or resulting assembly)
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16:36:52	<raehik>	probie: thank you! I should be less afraid of using it, helps hide silly implementation details
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19:08:22	<raehik>	Is there a type family like `ShowNat :: Natural -> Symbol`? `ShowType :: a -> ErrorMessage` is close, but I need a Symbol.
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19:12:54	<raehik>	I suppose I should be able to write my own easily enough. Feels like it should exist somewhere already >:(
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19:22:35	<tomsmeding>	raehik: I don't actually know, I'm guessing here, but I suspect that probie's answer about Text is only valid for text >= 2.0
19:22:45	<tomsmeding>	because of internal UTF8 representation
19:23:35	<tomsmeding>	raehik: pattern match on the ErrorMessage using a type family? >:D
19:23:44	<mauke>	why does that make a difference?
19:24:13	<tomsmeding>	it would not make a difference if ghc would do the translation from utf8 to utf16 at compile time just by simplifying the code
19:24:19	<tomsmeding>	and I doubt it's that clever
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19:25:03	<mauke>	what do you mean, from utf8 to utf16?
19:25:14	<tomsmeding>	old text (< 2.0) had utf16 as internal representation
19:25:16	rvalue-	is now known as rvalue
19:25:32	<mauke>	String is Unicode
19:26:00	<mauke>	if there is no String in the resulting code, it has to do some sort of encoding at compile time
19:26:03	<tomsmeding>	iirc, GHC actually compiles string literals to utf8 buffers in the executable, which it then reads at runtime to produce the heap-allocated String
19:26:22	<mauke>	ooh
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19:27:16	<tomsmeding>	mauke: https://play.haskell.org/saved/sEA1hrVK look at the M.foo1 and foo definitions at the top of the core
19:27:25	<mauke>	still, the fromString code doesn't have access to that representation
19:27:31	<raehik>	tomsmeding: hrm interesting on Text point. idk I guess I'll check later, but I'm being less afraid of IsString for ergonomics' sake
19:28:02	<tomsmeding>	mauke: it doesn't, but it can use a function that rewrites away very nicely against GHC.CString.unpackCString#
19:28:26	<raehik>	tomsmeding: I actually considered lol. it might be faster than doing it properly with Div/Mod
19:28:40	<raehik>	(actually considering cheating via ShowType*)
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19:29:44	<tomsmeding>	huh, seems there's a buffer copy involved even with new text (it uses Data.Text.unsafeCStringAscii# https://hackage.haskell.org/package/text-2.1.1/docs/src/Data.Text.Show.html#unpackCStringAscii%23 )
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19:30:02	<tomsmeding>	but it's just a buffer copy, which cpu's are good at
19:31:06	<raehik>	I'm hopefully gonna ignore almost all of this anyway since I realized I can do it on the type-level. just need a type-level Show
19:31:12	<raehik>	oh GOD that's another package
19:31:29	<erty>	tomsmeding: Thanks for providing config for Accelerate package yesterday. I used your config file but it gives me error for which I can't find a way to resolve. I use ghc (9.4.8),stack (2.13.1), cuda 12 and llvm15.
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19:32:01	<erty>	https://paste.tomsmeding.com/iFiLTshf
19:32:36	<tomsmeding>	ah that error
19:33:49	<tomsmeding>	erty: the ""easiest"" solution is to downgrade to cuda 11
19:34:31	<tomsmeding>	I forget if there is a fix for cuda 12
19:34:38	<erty>	tomsmeding: I tried to do that but Nvidia updates cuda 11 to cuda 12 automatically. But let me try one for time
19:34:47	<erty>	*mode
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19:34:50	<erty>	*more
19:35:22	<tomsmeding>	erty: the relevant issue is here https://github.com/visq/language-c/pull/94
19:36:10	<mauke>	tomsmeding: ooh, I see what it's doing! it's cheating with RULEs
19:36:20	<tomsmeding>	mauke: of course :)
19:36:25	<erty>	ok i'll try
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19:36:44	<tomsmeding>	mauke: it's text, what did you expect
19:36:46	<mauke>	{-# RULES "TEXT literal" forall a. pack (GHC.unpackCString# a) = unpackCStringAscii# a #-}
19:36:59	<mauke>	I was wondering where that unpackCStringAscii# came from
19:38:22	<tomsmeding>	erty: but just adding that language-c PR as a source-repository-package will not work (if it does for you please let me know, but it didn't for me) because language-c is a dependency of a build-tool dependency of the 'cuda' package, instead of a normal (transitive) dependency, and source-repository-package clauses seem to override only normal (transitive) dependencies
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19:40:22	<erty>	tomsmeding: you mean adding that package as a dependency in extra-deps?
19:40:29	<tomsmeding>	erty: are you using cabal or stack?
19:40:38	<erty>	I am using stack
19:40:48	<tomsmeding>	I see, I thought you were using cabal because you accepted my cabal.project :p
19:40:56	<erty>	https://paste.tomsmeding.com/1zGj4NjY
19:41:03	<tomsmeding>	I didn't try with stack, you might have luck adding that language-c PR to extra-deps
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19:41:35	<tomsmeding>	erty: that's a package.yaml file
19:42:02	<erty>	yes and stack.yaml https://paste.tomsmeding.com/nnFY5ChD
19:42:08	<tomsmeding>	if it works at all, it would need to go in extra-deps in stack.yaml together with the overrides for accelerate-*
19:42:13	<tomsmeding>	right
19:42:37	<erty>	wait I just sudo purged cuda 12, let me reinstall it back
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19:47:20	<erty>	tomsmeding: what do you mean by "together with the overrides for accelerate-*". I've added "- github: visq/language-c" to extra-deps in stack.yaml
19:47:27	<erty>	is that enough
19:47:55	<tomsmeding>	erty: you'll need that PR specifically
19:48:18	<tomsmeding>	so https://github.com/noahmartinwilliams/language-c at 98cca579839cd6b6e41baf9d28c1dd53a403f8be
19:48:33	<tomsmeding>	the PR is not yet merged
19:48:53	<erty>	ok
19:49:05	<tomsmeding>	because indeed it's not fully complete yet, but iirc it was sufficient to make cuda 12 work
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19:51:37	<erty>	cuda 12 still reinstalling :-\|
19:51:56	<tomsmeding>	cuda be large
19:52:01	<erty>	6 gb
19:52:19	<tomsmeding>	... I don't remember it being quite _that_ large, but anyway
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19:53:09	<erty>	and thankfully I need not to downgrade llvm15 as it would have taken more that 3hrs on my pc <scary_face>
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19:57:11	<erty>	In the beginning, it says:
19:57:12	<erty>	Warning: Ignoring c2hs's bounds on language-c (>=0.7.1 && <0.10) and using language-c-0.10.0.
19:57:12	<erty>	Reason: allow-newer enabled.
19:57:33	<tomsmeding>	that's promising
19:58:31	<erty>	Now the error is:
19:58:32	<erty>	cuda > src/Foreign/CUDA/Driver/Graph/Capture.chs:156: (column 15) [ERROR] >>> Unknown identifier!
19:58:33	<erty>	cuda > Cannot find a definition for `cuStreamGetCaptureInfo' in the header file.
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19:58:44	<tomsmeding>	oh meh
19:59:25	<tomsmeding>	oh
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20:00:27	<tomsmeding>	erty: also take cuda from https://github.com/noahmartinwilliams/cuda at 9036603012818805984e01b774dd0f5758f65bf0
20:00:30	<erty>	complete log https://paste.tomsmeding.com/24mYM0p8
20:00:34	<tomsmeding>	(yes, we need to fix this stuff)
20:00:41	<erty>	ok
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20:01:06	<tomsmeding>	(combination of lack of time and the current workarounds being just that -- workarounds, not really good enough for a release)
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20:01:41	<erty>	wait
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20:05:09	<erty>	Error:
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20:05:13	<erty>	accelerate-llvm-ptx > <no location info>: error:
20:05:13	<erty>	accelerate-llvm-ptx > libnvvm.so.4: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
20:05:13	<erty>	accelerate-llvm-ptx > [29 of 47] Compiling Data.Array.Accelerate.LLVM.PTX.CodeGen.Base
20:05:36	<tomsmeding>	erty: you haven't installed nvvm, but you shouldn't need it if you remove the nvvm flag from your stack.yaml
20:05:44	<erty>	ok
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20:07:23	<erty>	I am sorry, yet another error:
20:07:25	<erty>	accelerate-llvm-ptx> <no location info>: error:
20:07:25	<erty>	accelerate-llvm-ptx> libnvvm.so.4: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
20:07:25	<erty>	accelerate-llvm-ptx> [28 of 47] Compiling Data.Array.Accelerate.LLVM.PTX.Analysis.Launch
20:07:28	<erty>	accelerate-llvm-ptx> [29 of 47] Compiling Data.Array.Accelerate.LLVM.PTX.CodeGen.Base
20:07:39	<tomsmeding>	that's the same error
20:07:50	<erty>	ok wait
20:08:58	<tomsmeding>	perhaps you need to set the nvvm flag to False explicitly for stack to pick up the change?
20:09:33	<erty>	ok I've set it. lets try again
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20:11:17	<erty>	Error doesn't go away :-\ Preset stack.yaml https://paste.tomsmeding.com/re1hgucW
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20:11:29	<erty>	same error
20:13:38	<tomsmeding>	erty: sudo apt install cuda-nvvm-12-2?
20:14:46	<tomsmeding>	oh maybe `sudo apt install libnvvm4`
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20:15:33	<erty>	unable to locate, I'll search for it quickly
20:15:49	<tomsmeding>	libnvvm4 has higher probability of success
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20:24:10	<squiffs>	Hello, I'm adapting some code from polysemy-zoo's `Polysemy.Several` module (`runSeveral`) and found that it doesn't seem to work for a function with constraints, typically a function with effects, see https://paste.tomsmeding.com/xdT0Meen. `runSeveral` works fine with `runReader`, but complains about not being able to deduce the effect constraint
20:24:10	<squiffs>	for my `runReaderWithLog`. Any ideas on if I can make the type of `runSeveral` more general so it works across all constraints? Thanks!
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20:25:24	<erty>	tomsmeding: I've tried to find this library but didn't find anything. "apt" reports unable to locate package
20:25:35	<tomsmeding>	erty: what is your ubuntu version (if it's ubuntu)
20:25:44	<erty>	20.4 lts
20:25:47	<tomsmeding>	(I assumed ubuntu and apt because you said "purge")
20:25:50	<tomsmeding>	ah, that's a bit old
20:26:05	<tomsmeding>	though I find it confusing how you have cuda 12 but not nvvm4
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20:26:57	<tomsmeding>	I don't know what's trying to load libnvvm4.so for you
20:27:10	<tomsmeding>	perhaps a `rm -rf .stack-work` and a rebuild might work?
20:27:39	<erty>	i dont know I followed instuctions to download here https://developer.nvidia.com/cuda-12-2-0-download-archive?target_os=Linux&target_arch=x86_64&Distribution=Ubuntu&target_version=20.04
20:28:26	<erty>	wait let me try that
20:28:59	<tomsmeding>	erty: your 20.04 LTS comes with cuda 10, you can also just use that
20:29:09	<tomsmeding>	that should work with less shenanigans
20:29:18	<tomsmeding>	(no need to override language-c, for one)
20:29:28	<erty>	I might purged it long time ago
20:29:47	<erty>	😱
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20:29:56	<tomsmeding>	I mean, you can install it from the ubuntu repos, without needing to add additional sources from nvidia
20:30:05	<erty>	ah ok
20:30:19	<tomsmeding>	sudo apt install nvidia-cuda-dev
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20:30:52	<tomsmeding>	and libnvvm3, probably (hopefully)
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20:35:12	<erty>	ok right now I am going to install cuda-11 as cuda 10 is available till ubuntu 18
20:35:30	<tomsmeding>	erty: https://packages.ubuntu.com/focal/nvidia-cuda-dev ?
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20:35:58	<tomsmeding>	cuda 10 is in 20.04's system repository
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20:36:10	<erty>	"sudo apt install nvidia-cuda-dev" reported package not found
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20:36:29	<erty>	more specifically "Package nvidia-cuda-dev is not available, but is referred to by another package."
20:36:38	<tomsmeding>	oh wait, multiverse
20:36:54	<erty>	what? spiderman
20:37:00	<tomsmeding>	> Multiverse - Software restricted by copyright or legal issues.
20:37:44	<tomsmeding>	erty: sudo apt-add-repository multiverse
20:38:01	<tomsmeding>	er, add-apt-repository
20:38:19	<tomsmeding>	(and sudo apt updte)
20:38:38	<erty>	ok wait
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20:40:23	<erty>	now its installing, thanks for advice and sorry to drag you through all of this.
20:41:03	<tomsmeding>	as I said, this should be smoother but the accelerate team doesn't have a lot of time to fix user experience stuff like this
20:41:08	<tomsmeding>	unfortunately
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20:51:55	<erty>	waiting...
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20:56:47	<erty>	changed cuda version to 0.10.0.1 in stack.yaml
20:56:59	<erty>	building
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21:03:03	<erty>	tomsmeding: Sorry to bother you again but till now I've installed nvidia-cuda-dev, purged cuda-12, and in stack.yaml, edited cuda version to " - cuda-0.10.2.0".
21:03:07	<erty>	But it still gives the error https://paste.tomsmeding.com/JXzv63n2
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21:04:27	<tomsmeding>	that kind of looks like cuda-0.10 misses an upper bound on Cabal, i.e. it doesn't build with ghc 9.4 but it doesn't specify that in its cabal file
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21:04:54	<tomsmeding>	solutions might be downgrading to an older ghc, or using cuda 11
21:05:19	<tomsmeding>	sorry for the winding path, I've only been trying these things on ubuntu 22.04, and that only rarely
21:05:30	<tomsmeding>	also it's bed time in my time zone, so I'll be signing off
21:05:55	<erty>	I believe I am wasting your time, and I think I should stop with this as I think my PC is the main culprit and I need to upgrade by PC
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21:06:33	<erty>	😅
21:06:35	<tomsmeding>	you're definitely not wasting my time, you're making me aware that the accelerate installation situation is even more annoying than I thought it was
21:06:41	<tomsmeding>	it's a little less rough on 22.04
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21:07:17	<erty>	ok GN
21:07:26	<tomsmeding>	if you take too-old versions then they need old Cabal which essentially needs an old ghc; if you take too-new versions then you run into dependencies that haven't been updated
21:07:42	<tomsmeding>	there's this narrow path that works :)
21:07:58	<tomsmeding>	sorry to leave you hanging
21:08:45	<erty>	no prob, but yeah the docs are way too confusing for noobs
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