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| 01:06:01 | <monochrom> | No cake :( hee hee :) |
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| 02:35:30 | <EvanR> | no cake in libera-birthday, no cake in lambdabot either |
| 02:35:32 | <EvanR> | > cake |
| 02:35:34 | <lambdabot> | error: |
| 02:35:34 | <lambdabot> | • Variable not in scope: cake |
| 02:35:34 | <lambdabot> | • Perhaps you meant one of these: |
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| 09:16:08 | <tomsmeding> | @cake |
| 09:16:08 | <lambdabot> | cide ........ The Collaborative International Dictionary of English |
| 09:16:34 | <tomsmeding> | ... uh? :p |
| 09:17:13 | <Rembane> | I wonder what the story behind that one is |
| 09:17:15 | <Rembane> | @cide |
| 09:17:15 | <lambdabot> | cide ........ The Collaborative International Dictionary of English |
| 09:17:17 | <Rembane> | Hm... |
| 09:17:32 | <Rembane> | I was expecting @cide to refer to some cake acronym |
| 09:19:20 | <tomsmeding> | @cide hello |
| 09:19:23 | <lambdabot> | *** "Hello" gcide "The Collaborative International Dictionary of English v.0.48" |
| 09:19:23 | <lambdabot> | Hello \Hel*lo"\, interj. & n. |
| 09:19:23 | <lambdabot> | An exclamation used as a greeting, to call attention, as an |
| 09:19:23 | <lambdabot> | exclamation of surprise, or to encourage one. This variant of |
| 09:19:23 | <lambdabot> | {Halloo} and {Holloo} has become the dominant form. In the |
| 09:19:25 | <lambdabot> | [3 @more lines] |
| 09:19:37 | <tomsmeding> | @cake hello |
| 09:19:38 | <lambdabot> | *** "Hello" gcide "The Collaborative International Dictionary of English v.0.48" |
| 09:19:38 | <lambdabot> | Hello \Hel*lo"\, interj. & n. |
| 09:19:38 | <lambdabot> | An exclamation used as a greeting, to call attention, as an |
| 09:19:38 | <lambdabot> | exclamation of surprise, or to encourage one. This variant of |
| 09:19:38 | <lambdabot> | {Halloo} and {Holloo} has become the dominant form. In the |
| 09:19:40 | <lambdabot> | [3 @more lines] |
| 09:19:48 | <tomsmeding> | does it take the most similar command or something? |
| 09:19:52 | <tomsmeding> | https://github.com/lambdabot/lambdabot/blob/6d69d59d4db796fa3a750ec01d90156ffee2c209/lambdabot-reference-plugins/src/Lambdabot/Plugin/Reference/Dict.hs#L43 |
| 09:20:31 | <tomsmeding> | @unmtt ReaderT r IO a |
| 09:20:31 | <lambdabot> | r -> IO a |
| 09:20:34 | <tomsmeding> | seems so |
| 09:21:39 | <Rembane> | That's funny! |
| 09:21:50 | <Rembane> | @dac monad |
| 09:21:50 | <lambdabot> | Maybe you meant: src rc ghc faq docs do dice |
| 09:22:02 | <Rembane> | @dice 20 |
| 09:22:02 | <lambdabot> | unexpected end of input: expecting digit, operator or end of input: no rolls in expression |
| 09:22:05 | <Rembane> | @dice |
| 09:22:05 | <lambdabot> | unexpected end of input: expecting number, "d" or "(" |
| 09:22:09 | <Rembane> | @dice d20 |
| 09:22:09 | <lambdabot> | Rembane: 12 |
| 09:22:20 | <Rembane> | @dyce d20 |
| 09:22:20 | <lambdabot> | Rembane: 14 |
| 09:22:52 | <Rembane> | Science has been made! |
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| 09:25:46 | <ski> | @brain |
| 09:25:47 | <lambdabot> | Be quiet Pinky, or I shall have to hurt you. |
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| 15:06:42 | <jtza8> | I'm wondering why GHC refuses to print UTF-8 encoded, non-ascii charactes despite my LANG environment variable being set to "en_US.UTF-8". My terminal doesn't have any trouble printing exotic characters. |
| 15:08:13 | <jtza8> | (I'm trying to use the Hedgehog testing suite.) |
| 15:09:29 | <yin> | jtza8: what are you getting instead? |
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| 15:10:24 | <jtza8> | Compiled code crashes with an exception, ghci prints question marks instead of "invalid" code points. |
| 15:11:14 | <yin> | are you using print, putStr, show , or something else? |
| 15:12:15 | <jtza8> | I tested putStrLn. |
| 15:12:26 | <jtza8> | Strangely fails. |
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| 15:14:07 | <yin> | String or Text ? |
| 15:14:26 | <jtza8> | String |
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| 15:16:16 | <yin> | try using Text |
| 15:17:06 | <jtza8> | It's likely something with my setup. Using nix on Arch Linux. |
| 15:17:36 | <jtza8> | Thanks though. |
| 15:20:28 | <yin> | String represent sequences of characters encoded as Unicode code points but it's not tied to any specific encoding afaiui. using Text ensures the text is properly encoded as UTF-8 |
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| 15:44:23 | <tomsmeding> | that's irrelevant |
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| 15:44:40 | <tomsmeding> | the internal encoding of the buffer has nothing to do with what gets put on stdout by putStrLn |
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| 15:45:57 | <tomsmeding> | jtza8: is your executable running inside some interesting environment? Is its output piped to, or its input piped from, some other process (i.e. are some of stdin or stdout not a proper tty), or does it run inside a container, or a systemd unit, or cron job or whatever? |
| 15:48:23 | <tomsmeding> | jtza8: what happens if you put `main = putStrLn "\12354"` in a file, compile that with ghc directly, and run the resulting executable manually? |
| 15:48:30 | <tomsmeding> | (you should get あ) |
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| 15:51:19 | <tomsmeding> | and also, what do you get if you pipe that program's output to xxd (or `od -x`)? |
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| 15:56:36 | <int-e> | jtza8: Hmm or maybe there is no en_US locale, have you tried C.UTF-8? |
| 15:57:04 | <int-e> | (unlikely, but possible) |
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| 16:40:55 | <jtza8> | Sorry for being AFK. |
| 16:41:39 | <jtza8> | Here's a pastebin entry: https://paste.tomsmeding.com/EwfZ1ByG |
| 16:42:52 | <jtza8> | I compiled the binary "unicode" directly via ghc: (i.e. 'ghc -o unicode Main.hs') |
| 16:45:54 | <monochrom> | If you put it on play.haskell.org it prints 〹 successfully. |
| 16:46:39 | <monochrom> | But 12345 is not 12354. |
| 16:46:40 | <tomsmeding> | (〹 is not あ because the former is 12345 and the latter is 12354) |
| 16:46:47 | <tomsmeding> | yes |
| 16:46:59 | <tomsmeding> | "HANGZHOU NUMERAL TWENTY" |
| 16:47:07 | <tomsmeding> | learn something new every day |
| 16:47:09 | <monochrom> | 12354 yields あ successfully too on play.haskell.org |
| 16:47:54 | <tomsmeding> | jtza8: what is the full output of `locale`? |
| 16:48:15 | <monochrom> | Also works on my computer with ubuntu and pretty much default settings. |
| 16:49:06 | <jtza8> | monochrom: Rats. I corrected the code point, but still nothing on my end. |
| 16:49:26 | <tomsmeding> | (both code points are very standard unicode characters, so that should indeed not have made a difference) |
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| 16:50:37 | <monochrom> | BTW 12345 vs 12354 is why you should never type in anything by hand. Use cut-and-paste. Never trust yourself. :) |
| 16:51:13 | <jtza8> | Too true, and that's in part why I'm using the pastebin. ;) |
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| 16:52:06 | <jtza8> | Still the old codepoint, but I've added the output of 'locale'. https://paste.tomsmeding.com/7YJUc3e0 |
| 16:53:14 | <tomsmeding> | jtza8: what is the output of `sudo locale-gen`? |
| 16:53:32 | <tomsmeding> | this is a very standard locale, but who knows |
| 16:54:14 | <monochrom> | What if you don't use nix's version of GHC. |
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| 16:57:08 | <int-e> | AFAICS `locale` would warn if the locales were not present |
| 16:57:19 | <int-e> | s/locales were/locale was/ |
| 16:57:53 | <tomsmeding> | doesn't warn for me |
| 16:58:16 | <tomsmeding> | oh hm, I guess it does |
| 16:58:28 | <tomsmeding> | but setting LC_ALL overrides everything else, which makes sense but I forgot |
| 16:59:32 | <int-e> | Even bash warns me: https://paste.debian.net/1317406/ |
| 17:00:10 | <tomsmeding> | I very rarely export, I 'env LC_NUMERIC=cheese locale' :p |
| 17:00:20 | <tomsmeding> | but indeed bash does warn for mee too |
| 17:01:01 | <int-e> | tomsmeding: I... hmm, it depends on my mood. I open and close terminals very frequently, so exporting doesn't usually hurt. |
| 17:01:21 | <geekosaur> | the `env` is unnecessary if using a POSIXish shell |
| 17:01:31 | <tomsmeding> | I know but I like being explicit |
| 17:01:35 | <jtza8> | I've been using ghc 9.6.4 via nix-env. Undoing that for a moment exposes an older version of ghc installed via pacman. Somehow it seems like it's corrupted, that ghc can't find the Prelude module because files are missing. :| |
| 17:02:00 | <tomsmeding> | jtza8: try 'ghc -dynamic' |
| 17:02:27 | <int-e> | Ah, the Arch-nemesis. |
| 17:02:32 | <monochrom> | Oh, I don't mean you should use arch's ghc either. :) |
| 17:02:33 | <tomsmeding> | indeed |
| 17:02:44 | <tomsmeding> | well it is a good test if it can be gotten to work on a simple file |
| 17:02:47 | <monochrom> | Use ghcup's ghc. |
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| 17:02:52 | <jtza8> | That worked, but the binary failed to run the same way the others did. |
| 17:03:00 | <tomsmeding> | interesting |
| 17:03:07 | <int-e> | odd |
| 17:03:11 | <tomsmeding> | then it would indeed be good to try a ghcup ghc |
| 17:03:26 | <jtza8> | I'll do that now... |
| 17:03:44 | <tomsmeding> | if you don't want ghcup to do things to your computer that you don't want, get a binary from here https://downloads.haskell.org/~ghcup/0.1.22.0/ |
| 17:03:59 | <tomsmeding> | then invoke that with `./ghcup install ghc` |
| 17:04:04 | <int-e> | I have used Arch. The ghc package is good enough to bootstrap a properly built ghc :P |
| 17:04:23 | <tomsmeding> | then take the `ghc-VERSION` from ~/.ghcup/bin/ |
| 17:04:38 | <tomsmeding> | removing the binary and the ~/.ghcup folder erases all trace of ghcup then |
| 17:05:15 | <int-e> | (I don't know what hoops I jumped through for that... it's quite possible that I edited the ghc wrapper script to add -dynamic unconditionally.) |
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| 17:12:00 | <jtza8> | Interesting. The ghcup version works correctly. |
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| 17:15:39 | <int-e> | I wonder whether https://nixos.wiki/wiki/Locales is relevant for the Nix version. |
| 17:17:06 | <jtza8> | It seems that when I use nix with developPackage things work correctly too. |
| 17:20:48 | <jtza8> | int-e: Setting LOCALE_ARCHIVE seems to work too. |
| 17:21:35 | <int-e> | fascinating |
| 17:26:41 | <jtza8> | Now even the arch ghc is working in a new terminal environment where LOCALE_ARCHIVE wasn't set. |
| 17:27:18 | <jtza8> | Anyhow. Thank you all for your help. |
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