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00:23:44 <_d0t> how do I run a specific hspec test with stack? I can't seem to pass -p argument properly to hspec via --test-arguments of stack.
00:24:31 <_d0t> hspec complains with option -p: Could not parse patter
00:26:19 <geekosaur> quoted? --test-arguments "-p whatever"
00:26:52 <geekosaur> (I'm guessing; not a stack user)
00:27:24 <_d0t> doesn't seem to work
00:27:38 <_d0t> stack test --test-arguments "-p '/disallows 31 character/'"
00:27:42 <_d0t> this doesn't work either
00:29:38 <geekosaur> oh, two levels of quoting. good luck
00:30:34 <EvanR> quoteception
00:31:45 <_d0t> i hate literally everything about this >__<
00:31:58 <geekosaur> there's a stack room on matrix but it doesn't look very active
00:32:31 <geekosaur> #haskell-stack:matrix.org
00:32:58 <_d0t> this seems like hspec issue rather than stack issue tho
00:33:25 <_d0t> -p\ '/testname/' doesn't work either
00:34:25 <EvanR> for posterity, what would the solution be in cabal
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00:37:41 <_d0t> running the spec directly doesn't work either.
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00:37:45 <_d0t> it's definitely hspec issue
00:38:32 <_d0t> oh wait.. it worked now
00:38:37 <_d0t> I'm utterly confused >__<
00:39:58 <geekosaur> I'm not actually sure, re cabal
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00:40:29 <geekosaur> I think it supports nested quoting but the inner ones have to be double quotes, meaning you must use single quotes outside
00:40:47 <geekosaur> (or backslash the inner quotes)
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00:42:21 <haskellbridge> <sm (@simonmic:matrix.org)> you probably want a -- in that command line
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05:22:03 <talismanick> If I have [Text] I'd like to display with a line for each elem, how might I do that with Lucid?
05:22:41 <talismanick> `mapM (p_ . pure) myList` doesn't seem to do it
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05:31:41 <danse-nr3> that's more of an HTML question talismanick. Check what is rendered. As far as i know, lines in `p` elements should look like separated paragraphs
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10:29:20 <Axman6> _d0t: "it gives me a type error" "oh wait, my code was wrong all along" is one of my favourite messages in here in a long time. How good is Haskell
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10:46:04 <stefan-__> any idea how to enable file completion with "cabal run" in zsh? currently there is no completion in e.g. "cabal run app-exe -- no-file-completion-here"
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10:56:31 <mauke> I don't know, but that seems more lika zsh question
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11:15:34 <tomsmeding> stefan-__: likely zsh is trying to do intelligent completion for cabal and it's not intelligent enough, so it's actually more annoying than if it did no completion at all
11:15:43 <tomsmeding> look at zsh's completion scripts
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11:22:05 <stefan-__> tomsmeding: thanks, will take a look
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12:37:15 <Guest|68> struggling to install development environment, fails when ghcup does make:
12:37:16 <Guest|68> [ Error ] [GHCup-00841] Process "make" with arguments ["DESTDIR=/home/coirelo/.ghcup/tmp/ghcup-a9b8a4ee52779e37",
12:37:16 <Guest|68> [ ...   ]                                "install"] failed with exit code 1.
12:41:40 <mauke> anything before that?
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13:35:35 <tomsmeding> the typical thing to do is to look in ~/.ghcup/logs, there's more details there
13:35:38 <tomsmeding> (but they left)
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17:47:34 <monochrom> Belated: On my course forum, achievement unlocked: I replied a student with "Telepathy doesn't exist in this course, you will have to bring actual code to office hours".
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17:51:35 <Lycurgus> telepathy being apropos a thing
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18:08:26 <[exa]> course prerequisities: Telepathy 1, Telepathy 2
18:13:45 <mauke> /dev/tty1
18:13:58 <monochrom> haha
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19:28:32 <raehik> I have a `class C a b where f :: Proxy a -> b -> _` i.e. `a` is not instantiated. I'm finding that I can't "derive via" instances of this class due to some coerce mismatch. Which surprises me, because I feel like I should be able to
19:29:36 <raehik> concretely these non-instantiated types are actually non-instantiable, no constructors. Why can't I coerce between such types-- or am I doing something else wrong
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19:34:28 <tomsmeding> raehik: what exactly is the coercion error? And what is the type on the _?
19:35:34 <tomsmeding> % :i Data.Proxy.Proxy
19:35:35 <yahb2> type role Data.Proxy.Proxy phantom ; type Data.Proxy.Proxy :: forall {k}. k -> * ; data Data.Proxy.Proxy t = Data.Proxy.Proxy ; -- Defined in ‘Data.Proxy’ ; instance forall k (s :: k). Monoid (D...
19:35:48 <tomsmeding> Proxy has phantom role on its type argument, so you should be able to coerce between any and all proxies
19:41:10 <raehik> tomsmeding: "couldn't match representation of type 'a' with that of (attempted via type) arising from a use of 'coerce'"
19:41:35 <tomsmeding> raehik: does 'a' occur in _?
19:41:46 <raehik> I don't have a very clean repro yet. Figured maybe my Proxy# use caused it, tried using ambiguous types instead, same issue
19:41:50 <raehik> No
19:42:47 <raehik> https://paste.tomsmeding.com/Ey7DqwPA
19:44:05 <tomsmeding> raehik: why do you expect that to work?
19:44:09 <tomsmeding> validate' takes an a
19:44:12 <mauke> my ghc rejects Refine' because p is ambiguous
19:44:21 <tomsmeding> add AllowAmbiguousTypes or add a Proxy p
19:44:23 <raehik> ack wait I bet I'm thinking about via wrong
19:44:46 <tomsmeding> raehik: in the example you wrote in this chat, it's the 'b' that ghc is complaining about here
19:45:03 <tomsmeding> which is an actual argument of f, hence it needs to match representationally
19:45:08 <tomsmeding> otherwise you can't coerce the functions
19:45:15 <tomsmeding> and 'a' and T1 of course do not match representationally
19:45:30 <tomsmeding> er, wait
19:45:58 <raehik> yeahhh, I want typevar a to be the via, not typevar b
19:46:09 <tomsmeding> what does DerivingVia even mean on multi-param type classes
19:46:21 <tomsmeding> now I'm confused too
19:46:26 <raehik> I'm about to take a look haha. that I think is my problem
19:47:22 <EvanR> deriving via what I mean not what I say xD
19:47:29 <tomsmeding> yeah if you swap Refine's arguments, ghc accepts it
19:47:34 <tomsmeding> https://play-haskell.tomsmeding.com/saved/qZgZuj5D
19:47:53 <tomsmeding> seems DerivingVia takes the last parameter of the class
19:48:02 <tomsmeding> but this is completely unspecified in the documentation https://downloads.haskell.org/ghc/latest/docs/users_guide/exts/deriving_via.html#extension-DerivingVia
19:48:11 <tomsmeding> anyone feeling like improving that? :p
19:48:23 <raehik> hmmm! thanks for troubleshooting with me
19:49:54 <Hecate> 'sup raehik
19:50:00 <raehik> Hecate: o/
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19:57:24 <tomsmeding> raehik: https://github.com/ghc-proposals/ghc-proposals/blob/master/proposals/0120-deriving-via.rst#effect-and-interactions
19:57:33 <tomsmeding> > It is worth noting that like all other forms of deriving, a standalone DerivingVia declaration only ever targets the last argument to a class.
19:57:46 <raehik> Is there any reason to have class params in a certain order (given no functional deps), other than aesthetics
19:58:02 <tomsmeding> even functional deps don't impose an order
19:58:24 <tomsmeding> if you want the class name itself to fit in somewhere
19:58:39 <glguy> raehik: you can partially apply things at the type level like you can at the value level
19:58:43 <zopsicle> Partial application of constraints when using constraint kinds
19:58:55 <glguy> It's not common to need it, though
19:58:59 <tomsmeding> if you have a data type of kind `(Nat -> Type -> Constraint) -> Type` then its type argument should be a class where its first argument has kind Nat :p
19:59:21 <tomsmeding> a common usecase is `data Dict c a where Dict :: c a => Dict c a`
19:59:43 <tomsmeding> (`Dict Eq t` carries evidence that `t` implements `Eq`)
20:01:50 <raehik> I think I'll instruct users to "manually" derive via, since it's not much more complex thankfully
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