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| 03:52:14 | <cheater> | i have a problem |
| 03:52:37 | <cheater> | my local hackage can index private dependencies no problem but it can't actually index what's on my disk |
| 03:52:48 | <cheater> | so my packages that are on the disk |
| 03:52:50 | <cheater> | how do i do that? |
| 04:00:15 | <danse-nr3> | those are also called "local" dependencies |
| 04:00:43 | <danse-nr3> | there is a way through cabal.project i think but i always forget the details |
| 04:01:26 | <danse-nr3> | oh sorry, overlooked that was about hackage |
| 04:06:42 | <cheater> | yup |
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| 04:19:07 | <cheater> | sorry i'm stupid i meant hoogle |
| 04:19:20 | <cheater> | my local >>hoogle<< does not index my local packages |
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| 04:27:49 | <danse-nr3> | oh |
| 04:28:23 | <cheater> | ok so digging more into this it comes from iohk's haskell.nix, and specifically its 'withHoogle' directive |
| 04:29:17 | <danse-nr3> | you are adding layers now. Well i use `hoogle generate` with stack |
| 04:29:47 | <danse-nr3> | and then `hoogle server` with the same --database |
| 04:30:07 | <cheater> | i don't use stack,i t's a cabal project |
| 04:30:08 | <cheater> | however |
| 04:30:25 | <cheater> | i've noticed on github there's kokobd/cabal-hoogle |
| 04:30:35 | <cheater> | that can create a hoogle database for a cabal project. |
| 04:30:48 | <cheater> | ok but |
| 04:31:01 | <cheater> | i don't really understand what a hoogle database is. can multiple programs populate the same database? |
| 04:31:12 | <danse-nr3> | the point is to produce a database with `hoogle generate`, the stack part is just about having hoogle as a binary |
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| 04:31:52 | <danse-nr3> | i don't think so. Why would you need that? Anyways, the database is how one would expect an index to be structured |
| 04:32:10 | <danse-nr3> | it's a bit funny, at times it seems to get corrupted when i kill the hoogle server |
| 04:32:16 | <danse-nr3> | and i have to regenerate it |
| 04:32:46 | <cheater> | what's the default path for it? it's not in my git checkout... hmm... |
| 04:33:11 | <danse-nr3> | there is --database to use with `hoogle generate` and `hoogle server`, getting into docs area |
| 04:33:42 | <cheater> | yeah i've seen this. but i don't use --database, i just run it directly, and it's already populated, meaning the database is somewhere else |
| 04:33:44 | <danse-nr3> | not sure about the default nor whether one exists |
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| 04:33:53 | <danse-nr3> | hmm i see |
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| 04:34:27 | <cheater> | can hoogle run without a database at all? |
| 04:34:30 | <cheater> | or is that impossible |
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| 04:35:14 | <danse-nr3> | nah i don't think so |
| 04:36:03 | <danse-nr3> | but hackage can if you can content yourself with that |
| 04:36:28 | <cheater> | no my objective is to get hoogle going |
| 04:36:31 | <danse-nr3> | huh i meant haddock sorry |
| 04:37:30 | <cheater> | nah need that hoogle |
| 04:37:36 | <cheater> | it's so confusing because all of them start with h |
| 04:38:35 | <danse-nr3> | i don't think it's difficult to generate a database, no matter whether one uses stack or cabal, but not sure about the nix file you mentioned |
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| 05:02:55 | <cheater> | so there's a bunch of default.hoo files under my nix store |
| 05:03:17 | <cheater> | each one's like /nix/store/(hash)-hoogle-with-packages/share/doc/hoogle/default.hoo |
| 05:05:29 | <cheater> | one of them is the hoogle that `which hoogle` resolves to |
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| 05:13:43 | <cheater> | aha so there's hoogle combine |
| 05:14:12 | <cheater> | that merges two databases |
| 05:14:30 | <cheater> | that command does NOT show up in hoogle -h |
| 05:14:48 | <cheater> | and also... doesn't seem to be a thing. |
| 05:14:51 | <cheater> | so the wiki is wrong ? |
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| 05:17:06 | <cheater> | combine was deleted 8 years ago |
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| 05:47:59 | <cheater> | what if i created a single package that depends on all my local packages but also on all their dependencies, and then ran hoogle generate on that |
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| 06:13:24 | <danse-nr3> | yes usually one would run hoogle generate after an haddock build, so that would be from a cabal or stack root package |
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| 19:28:07 | <mauke> | are free monads just functor kaleidoscopes? |
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| 19:48:27 | <ncf> | what's a functor kaleidoscope? |
| 19:48:53 | <glguy> | I heard it's like a free monad |
| 19:49:23 | <ncf> | .-. |
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| 19:50:33 | <darkling> | It's similar to a hall of functor mirrors, but less confusing. |
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| 19:57:52 | <EvanR> | burrito of mirrors |
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| 19:58:17 | <geekosaur> | mirror of burritos |
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| 20:45:49 | <lxsameer> | hey friends, I don't understand why I'm getting this exception: https://dpaste.com/87R9JTL5P |
| 20:45:55 | <lxsameer> | could you please help me understand |
| 20:47:25 | <mauke> | getErrorType's signature says the caller gets to choose an 'a' |
| 20:47:50 | <mauke> | but the implementation can't keep what the type signature promised |
| 20:48:43 | <lxsameer> | ah ok, but if i change the type to `forall a. (Exception a) => Error -> a` it still does not fix it |
| 20:49:28 | <mauke> | that means the same thing |
| 20:49:42 | <lxsameer> | mauke: what would be the fix here? |
| 20:49:42 | <mauke> | type variables are implicitly (universally) quantified at the top level |
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| 20:49:59 | <mauke> | depends on what you're trying to do |
| 20:50:08 | <lxsameer> | mauke: ow, got it |
| 20:50:38 | <lxsameer> | mauke: I want a function that take an error and returns the err field, which is promised to implement Exception typeclass |
| 20:50:45 | <mauke> | you could replace the whole !e thing by SomeException |
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| 20:51:11 | <mauke> | which is really just another existential wrapper around forall e. Exceptiion e => ... e |
| 20:51:28 | <lxsameer> | mauke: ahhhh, let me read about it |
| 20:51:28 | <mauke> | you can't return the err field directly because you don't know what type it is |
| 20:51:30 | <lxsameer> | thank you |
| 20:51:53 | <lxsameer> | isn't it enough to use the type class here? |
| 20:51:55 | <mauke> | the other option is to CPS-transform getErrorType |
| 20:52:38 | <mauke> | getErrorType :: Error -> (forall a. (Exception a) => a -> b) -> b |
| 20:52:59 | <lxsameer> | interesting |
| 20:53:13 | <mauke> | but we don't have an 'exists' quantifier |
| 20:53:29 | <lxsameer> | gotcha |
| 20:53:34 | <mauke> | so if you want to return the value directly, you have to use an existential wrapper like Error (or SomeException) |
| 20:53:35 | <lxsameer> | thank you, it's time to read |
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| 22:59:23 | <monochrom> | Belated re: functor kaleidoscopes: Why would people prefer a broken analogy that takes half an hour to rationalize to just reading the definition that takes only five minutes? (OK rhetorical question. Answer: Not-Invented-Here.) |
| 23:02:18 | <monochrom> | The more constructive thing I can say is that I learned free monads by trying it on a few functors and playing with them to get the hang of what happens. |
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| 23:03:01 | <monochrom> | One day I am adding "Learn by Playing" to one of my pedagogical slogans / statements of position. |
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| 23:20:03 | <ajr0d> | Hi all, new to Haskell. I'm trying to run a web server via Scotty. I've made a paste here, but formatting is gross and forgot to delete the top line m/b. https://paste.tomsmeding.com/eMeqZIb0 |
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| 23:26:48 | <cheater> | cool! enjoy it |
| 23:28:26 | <ajr0d> | sorry, i should of made the point that i'm getting failures, yet i'm not sure what's causing them exactly. i have added most context in that paste. |
| 23:32:58 | <cheater> | so this is just the stack |
| 23:33:12 | <cheater> | it's basically a wrapper around the software actually providing value, which is cabal |
| 23:33:15 | <cheater> | you want the cabal error |
| 23:33:20 | <cheater> | the last line tells you how to get it |
| 23:33:22 | <cheater> | look in there |
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| 23:36:24 | <ajr0d> | the last line of my error output tells me how to get the cabal error, which i want? i'm confused |
| 23:39:27 | <cheater> | Process exited with code: ExitFailure 1 |
| 23:39:27 | <cheater> | ```` |
| 23:39:33 | <cheater> | no |
| 23:39:47 | <cheater> | here /Users/ajl/.stack/setup-exe-cache/aarch64-osx/Cabal-simple_6HauvNHV_3.10.3.0_ghc-9.6.5 --verbose=1 --builddir=.stack-work/dist/aarch64-osx/ghc-9.6.5 build lib:combatcalendar exe:combatcalendar-exe --ghc-options " -fdiagnostics-color=always" |
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| 23:42:28 | <cheater> | sorry a line is missing telling you to actually look at this thing |
| 23:42:30 | <cheater> | ANYWAYS |
| 23:42:37 | <cheater> | just look at what the last 4 lines of your paste say |
| 23:42:43 | <cheater> | they instruct you how to get the *actual* log |
| 23:42:56 | <cheater> | stop using stack, it's garbage and gets in the way |
| 23:42:59 | <cheater> | it's like rails |
| 23:43:14 | <ajr0d> | what should i use instead? |
| 23:43:24 | <cheater> | cabal |
| 23:51:26 | <geekosaur> | I'm not a stack proponent, but the actual error was clearly there in the original paste |
| 23:51:56 | <ajr0d> | Yeah using the cabal command it just gave me the similar output. |
| 23:52:05 | <geekosaur> | lines 89-97 |
| 23:52:06 | <ajr0d> | i'm assuming i'm misisng an import statement of some sort |
| 23:55:11 | <geekosaur> | no, it's there since 0.21. what's your stack.yaml look like? |
| 23:55:30 | <cheater> | oh yeah, it was |
| 23:55:38 | <cheater> | i'm on a small screen, i literally only saw the last bit lol |
| 23:55:46 | <ajr0d> | i've made no changes to it, geekosaur. i'll add it to a paste for you one sec. |
| 23:55:57 | <ajr0d> | https://paste.tomsmeding.com/OK5UrgAV |
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| 23:57:59 | <geekosaur> | that resolver has scotty 0.20.1, you need at least 0.21 to have pathParam |
| 23:58:27 | <geekosaur> | you have to use param instead of pathParam |
| 23:58:50 | <ajr0d> | oops. is it easy to update? |
| 23:58:57 | <geekosaur> | no |
| 23:59:06 | <cheater> | yeah.. use cabal |
| 23:59:13 | <geekosaur> | looks like there's no LTS with a later scotty; you'd need to use an extra-dep |
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| 23:59:32 | <ajr0d> | okay i'll use cabal lol |
| 23:59:46 | <geekosaur> | (aside from nightly, which is "experts only" territory) |
| 23:59:49 | <cheater> | rare W |
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