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10:37:22 <ash3en> sooo, is graphql more haskelluesqe than REST since using types in a different -- more prominent? -- way?
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14:40:39 <mauke> does REST even mean anything anymore?
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14:44:34 <ash3en> mauke, I honestly don't know lol
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14:54:11 <EvanR> GET PUT DELETE POST
14:54:40 <EvanR> in order to set up a websocket and do json
14:54:40 <kaol> REST is better if you don't touch POST.
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16:41:41 <female_student_5> Hi, I created some code, but I'm struggling to test it with the inputs?
16:41:42 <female_student_5> https://pastebin.com/2x7yndQG
16:42:50 <female_student_5> ghci> rename "b" "z"
16:42:50 <female_student_5> <interactive>:6:1: error:
16:42:51 <female_student_5>     Variable not in scope: rename :: String -> String -> t
16:43:04 <female_student_5> This is the input provided: *Main> rename "b" "z" example
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16:43:54 <lyxia> female_student_5: you need to load the file in ghci
16:43:59 <female_student_5> I have done so
16:44:06 <int-e> if this is a standalone file foo.hs using just base, use :load foo.hs or ghci foo.hs. if it's a cabal project, use `cabal repl`
16:44:19 <lyxia> female_student_5: your pastebin link is broken
16:44:21 <female_student_5> I've already loaded the file...
16:44:37 <int-e> does your module export `rename`?
16:44:44 <int-e> though hmm
16:44:52 <female_student_5> let me repaste my pastebin link
16:44:53 <int-e> hard to say what's wrong without the code.
16:46:07 <female_student_5> https://pastebin.com/qsgPsQmc#google_vignette
16:46:09 <female_student_5> there
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16:46:15 <female_student_5> https://pastebin.com/qsgPsQmc
16:46:18 <female_student_5> sorry
16:46:22 <female_student_5> int-e
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16:46:29 <female_student_5> lyxia
16:46:50 <female_student_5> This input doesn't work: *Main> rename "b" "z" example
16:47:15 <int-e> that is not self-contained so won't compile like that
16:47:27 <female_student_5> I put rename "b" "z"
16:47:29 <int-e> and if it doesn't compile, ghci won't actually load it
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16:47:58 <female_student_5> and It returned "variable not in scope"
16:48:31 <int-e> it never loaded the file... presumably you got a bunch of errors instead
16:48:37 <int-e> I think
16:48:44 <int-e> that, or your paste is incomplete
16:48:45 <female_student_5> no, the file loaded ...
16:49:20 <female_student_5> This was an error though:   parse error (possibly incorrect indentation or mismatched brackets)
16:49:20 <female_student_5>    |
16:49:21 <female_student_5> 77 | substitute x y (Lambda z n)
16:50:06 <kaol> If you get one error in a file nothing in it is loaded into ghci.
16:50:23 <female_student_5> great thanks
16:50:26 <female_student_5> let me retry loading
16:50:50 <int-e> you'll have to define the data types in your file (or import a module that defines them)
16:51:04 <int-e> whatever you defined in ghci will not be visible to the module you're loading
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16:54:26 <ash3en> is line 7 indented correctly?
16:58:01 <int-e> No it's mixing tabs and spaces.
16:58:59 <int-e> (and doing the thing where tabs are 4 spaces instead of the 8 that Haskell assumes)
17:00:23 <int-e> Though I guess it doesn't matter for guards. Eww.
17:00:54 <int-e> (I had to test that.)
17:01:24 <female_student_5> that's not the issue
17:01:30 <int-e> lines 16-17 should be a syntax error though
17:01:34 <female_student_5> the issue is apparently with how nPrime =
17:01:46 <int-e> because of the messed up indentation
17:02:17 <int-e> (the usual advice is not to use tabs at all)
17:02:27 <female_student_5> What would it look like?
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17:03:51 <int-e> female_student_5: look at your pastebin link
17:04:03 <int-e> you probably won't see it in your editor
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17:04:50 <int-e> but the editor should have a setting somewhere to disable tabs. or to set the tab width to 8.
17:05:14 <ph88> could anyone tell me how to build dhall for the javascript backend? preferably to get a single JS file out that can be accessed as a library to other JS code. https://github.com/dhall-lang/dhall-haskell
17:06:18 <female_student_5> I've changed the code a bit and I'm still getting the same error
17:07:31 <ash3en> yeah 17 looks odd
17:07:44 <int-e> Have you looked at your own pastebin link? It's very visible there that the indentation is messed up.
17:08:23 <int-e> (well, for me... it's conceivable that pastebin.com has a setting for that too that will mess it up)
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17:11:17 <female_student_5> To be honest, rename isn't calling the substitute function
17:11:21 <female_student_5> so not sure why this is an issue
17:13:07 <female_student_5> I've now removed the substitute function and still nothing is outputted
17:17:02 <int-e> presumably you're still getting an error when loading the file then
17:17:37 <int-e> For example, you might get "Variable not in scope: (!=) :: Var -> Bool -> Bool"
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17:20:19 <female_student_5> int-e, no i dont
17:22:56 <int-e> I said "might". It *is* an error in your code as pasted.
17:23:14 <female_student_5> I removed the substitute function now
17:23:22 <female_student_5> because I am asking about testing rename only
17:24:15 <int-e> Well I don't know what your status is, really.
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17:25:11 <int-e> You've edited the file so the paste is out of date. You're saying that it doesn't work but you're not saying what the exact error is, and whether it happens when you load the file or when you try to invoke the `rename` function.
17:26:08 <female_student_5> Here is the paste: https://pastebin.com/Gwn3hQ5a
17:26:19 <female_student_5> This is the input I am trying to test: *Main> rename "b" "z" example
17:26:19 <female_student_5> \a. \x. (\y. a) x z
17:26:27 <female_student_5> So I am trying to test rename "b" "z"
17:27:46 <int-e> ...so you got an output?
17:27:49 <female_student_5> no
17:27:54 <female_student_5> Because I dont know how to do it
17:28:00 <int-e> then what's the \a. \x. (\y. a) x z line there?
17:28:33 <female_student_5> AAAAH
17:28:33 <female_student_5> OK
17:28:35 <female_student_5> it works now
17:28:43 <female_student_5> ghci> rename "b" "z" example
17:28:44 <female_student_5> Lambda "a" (Lambda "x" (Apply (Apply (Lambda "y" (Variable "a")) (Variable "x")) (Variable "z")))
17:28:48 <female_student_5> I needed to put example
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17:30:11 <female_student_5> thank you
17:30:19 <female_student_5> although, it seems the substitute function will be iffy when I test it
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17:50:56 <female_student_5> all works now
17:50:57 <female_student_5> thanks
17:51:16 <haskellbridge> <magic_rb> Are you implementing a lambda calculus for fun and profit?
17:53:03 <female_student_5> thanks for the help all - have a good rest of day :)!
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18:39:05 <ddellacosta> yet again, the answer was traverse
18:40:31 <Franciman> are you talking about football, ddellacosta?
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18:42:06 <ddellacosta> Franciman: d'oh sorry, wrong channel :-p
18:42:45 <Franciman> no you are on the right channel :)
18:42:52 <ddellacosta> heh
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20:09:34 <fr33domlover> Are heterogenous lists (like the HList package) still a thing? Why are none of the heterogenous list packages maintained/updated? And specifically, is there a first-class-families based heterogenous-list implementation?
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20:10:37 <fr33domlover> I'm trying to use HList with first-class-families, it's painful (might still be possible, not sure yet) because they aren't integrated
20:10:42 <geekosaur> they don't really need to be
20:10:49 <geekosaur> (re updated)
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20:12:53 <geekosaur> also hlists are simple enough that they're often hand-rolled instead of using packages
20:13:57 <EvanR> some things are so simple there's nothing to update
20:14:49 <geekosaur> e.g. https://github.com/xmonad/xmonad-contrib/blob/master/XMonad/Layout/MultiToggle.hs#L148-L191
20:15:34 <EvanR> rewrite the heterolist everytime is haskell's version of C rewrite linked list every time? xD
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20:15:43 <geekosaur> the main complexity of which is integrating it into a `LayoutClass`
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20:28:49 Leary rolls an HList per project.
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20:29:35 <ncf> what do people use HLists for?
20:30:54 <Leary> Also, generics-sop is a well used and maintained HList package in disguise.
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20:35:11 <EvanR> the one time I used an HList, the thing I was doing could have been done via creative chaining of composed functions
20:35:25 <EvanR> I couldn't tell which one was more outlandish
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20:36:05 <Leary> I use them generally to collect related data of different types, often the same tycon over different parameters, sometimes with associated constraints or proof tokens. In some cases those types are actually phantom, in which case the heterogeneity is rather illusory.
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20:37:37 <ncf> why not [Some f]?
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20:41:55 <Leary> Recent examples include: a concurrency library which internally collects process handles; a checked exeption monad which internally collects `(forall a. e -> M a)` for various `e`; and algebraic effects monad which collects handlers.
20:42:19 <Leary> In each case, the type information needs to be exposed for safety in the interface.
20:43:13 <Leary> Even if that weren't the case, unless `f` is a GADT with an easily recoverable parameter, I don't see a reason to use `[Some f]` over an HList.
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