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| 01:40:01 | <hgolden> | wiki |
| 01:40:57 | <geekosaur> | waka? |
| 01:42:50 | <hgolden> | sorry. i meant to search rather than post. |
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| 08:31:06 | <tomsmeding> | bwe: happy that you like it :) |
| 08:31:41 | <tomsmeding> | bwe: any reason in particular you're using play-haskell.tomsmeding.com instead of play.haskell.org? (They're the same machine, one domain is just an alias for the other, so it matters nil, but for curiosity) |
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| 09:01:21 | <haskellbridge> | <hellwolf> i hadn't known play. Haskell. org was a thing... much easier to remember now :p |
| 09:02:54 | <tomsmeding> | long live mobile keyboards that auto-insert a space after a dot? |
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| 09:03:53 | <tomsmeding> | hellwolf: should play-haskell.tomsmeding.com redirect to play.haskell.org? |
| 09:04:10 | <monochrom> | Mine auto-insert a dot after I double-click space |
| 09:04:38 | <tomsmeding> | now that I think about it, that's indeed the more common thing to do (mine does nothing, don't decide for me what I want to type) |
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| 09:05:38 | <monochrom> | In some sense it's a workaround for not having a dot on the letters-and-space keyboard. |
| 09:05:51 | tomsmeding | does |
| 09:06:58 | <monochrom> | They would rather have an emoji button than a dot button. |
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| 09:07:48 | <haskellbridge> | <hellwolf> tomsmeding: Why not? it increases the awareness of its domain proper. |
| 09:09:02 | <tomsmeding> | monochrom: my android keyboard has on the bottom row: numberpadswitch, comma, multilingual, spacebaaaaaar, dot, return |
| 09:09:11 | <tomsmeding> | and long-press on the return key gives the emoji picker |
| 09:09:41 | <monochrom> | Nice. Mine is an iPhone. |
| 09:09:52 | <tomsmeding> | and most other punctuation marks are on a long-press on a letter |
| 09:10:02 | <haskellbridge> | <hellwolf> (who actually uses irc on mobile here? my long connection is on my machine instead, hence my name has two instances in this room.) |
| 09:10:26 | <tomsmeding> | I sometimes when I go afk but have a strong interest in actually wanting to get mentions as they arrive |
| 09:10:46 | <tomsmeding> | but I guess, I can set it to redirect :) |
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| 09:14:50 | <tomsmeding> | hellwolf: redirect in place |
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| 09:16:34 | <haskellbridge> | <hellwolf> thank you! I didn't mean to ask to sacrifice your branding :p |
| 09:16:57 | <tomsmeding> | hahaha I don't care much about that branding, if someone really needs to know they'll know anyway |
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| 18:47:26 | <lxsameer> | hey folks, how do you feel about the 'Safe' extension? |
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| 18:48:32 | <geekosaur> | not useful, and doesn't mean what most people expect |
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| 18:48:49 | <lxsameer> | geekosaur: awesome, short and percise |
| 18:48:52 | <lxsameer> | thank you |
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| 18:53:28 | <geekosaur> | (basically means the typechecker is stricter than normal, which as a side effect disallows various backdoors such as unsafePerformIO and unsafeCoerce. unfortunately, being opt-in, it's relatively useless. it also disables GND which could otherwise perform questionable coercions) |
| 18:55:14 | <lxsameer> | geekosaur: out of curiosity I enabled it earlier, most of the libs that I use can't get imported safely :D |
| 18:57:11 | <geekosaur> | anything that uses FFI is inherently unsafe because there's no way to validate C, so module authors must vet their usage and explicitly declare their modules Trustworthy |
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| 18:57:17 | <geekosaur> | most don't |
| 18:57:31 | <tomsmeding> | don't you then also have to explicitly trust Trustworthy-using packages? |
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| 18:57:39 | <tomsmeding> | or is that also opt-in |
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| 18:58:12 | <tomsmeding> | ah that's with -fpackage-trust |
| 18:58:25 | <geekosaur> | opt-in, I think; there are options controlling whether to use the declared module states, reject them, or specify per module iirc |
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| 18:58:56 | <tomsmeding> | https://downloads.haskell.org/ghc/latest/docs/users_guide/exts/safe_haskell.html#ghc-flag--fpackage-trust |
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| 20:32:06 | <bwe> | tomsmeding: I've only learned about it by converting a paste to it; however I missed to spot the playground button. I return to it because I have it faster open than creating a new project for isolating and fiddling around with problems. |
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| 20:33:52 | <bwe> | tomsmeding: I wonder whether it's possible to edit a file locally and keep it synchronised with a play instance. Likewise, downloading a play file and keep it synced… |
| 20:34:25 | <tomsmeding> | bwe: thanks for making me aware that the pastebin still links to the old URL :p |
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| 20:36:03 | <tomsmeding> | bwe: such synchronisation sounds suspiciously like using the playground as an IDE. It's not, it's a pastebin with an attached execution tool :p |
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| 20:37:38 | <tomsmeding> | bwe: if you want to fiddle around, what haskell dependencies do you need? If you only need what's called the bootlibs ( https://gitlab.haskell.org/ghc/ghc/-/wikis/commentary/libraries/version-history ), then plain ghc/ghci works |
| 20:39:06 | <tomsmeding> | bwe: if you want dependencies but are okay with just a single runnable file (in which HLS doesn't work, at least for me), then https://cabal.readthedocs.io/en/stable/cabal-commands.html?highlight=script%20files#cabal-run |
| 20:39:18 | <tomsmeding> | (the 'project:' block is optional) |
| 20:43:00 | <tomsmeding> | 'playground' on paste.tomsmeding.com fixed to go to play.haskell.org :) |
| 20:43:30 | <tomsmeding> | (which, with the redirect that is in place since yesterday, also fixes said link to actually load the file in the playground...) |
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| 20:46:28 | tomsmeding | now realises that the sporadic people landing on play-haskell.tomsmeding.com were probably all coming from the pastebin at this point... |
| 20:46:35 | <bwe> | tomsmeding: ok, how about cross-loading github / sr.ht files through the playground? I mean that way I could edit the file locally and pushing it to gh / sr.ht actually will yield an updated playground |
| 20:46:58 | <tomsmeding> | the playground is not intended as a development environment |
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| 20:47:07 | <bwe> | tomsmeding: I know, but I like it ;) |
| 20:47:12 | <tomsmeding> | :p |
| 20:47:45 | <tomsmeding> | the thing is, it can be used (-ish) as a development environment, but once I concede to adding one feature to make that nicer, there are a gezillion more things that could be done to improve it as a development environment |
| 20:47:50 | <tomsmeding> | because it's a rather crappy one now :p |
| 20:48:07 | <tomsmeding> | and I don't want to do all of those things, and if you want those, there are already solutions out there -- github codespaces, for example, or repl.it |
| 20:48:27 | <tomsmeding> | the playground is more lightweight and I'd like to keep it that way |
| 20:48:53 | <bwe> | Oh, completely understandable. Thanks for elaborating on this. Clear for me now :). |
| 20:49:18 | <tomsmeding> | of course, features that make it better as a playground but also happen to make it nicer as a development environment are not off the table :) |
| 20:49:30 | <bwe> | And thanks for the two tips on local file development. |
| 20:49:50 | <tomsmeding> | these things very non-discoverable :) |
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| 21:33:44 | <hellwolf> | Not sure where to ask about haskell-language-server questions. I have an issue when using cabal mixins. |
| 21:34:25 | <geekosaur> | #haskell-language-server |
| 21:34:32 | <geekosaur> | (or the same on Matrix) |
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| 21:44:40 | <hellwolf> | I don't find it on the Matrix. But I am on IRC. |
| 21:45:18 | <Hecate> | hellwolf: https://app.element.io/#/room/#haskell-language-server:matrix.org |
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| 21:48:04 | <hellwolf> | Thanks! I swear that searching "haskell-language-server" public rooms in the element.io UI yielded nothing for me. |
| 21:48:14 | <hellwolf> | weird software |
| 21:48:36 | <hellwolf> | got the worst from both web2 and web1 IRC |
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| 21:56:06 | <geekosaur> | it's disabled due to spam, aiui |
| 21:56:30 | <hellwolf> | I see. That makes sense. |
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| 23:59:09 | <hellwolf> | What it takes for me to embed a little widget and let people to try a subset of Haskell for my landing page? Similar to haskell.org has. Fwiw, roc-lang.org a "Try Roc" area, which is cool. |
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| 23:59:51 | <hellwolf> | (perhaps I could reuse/self host something behind play.haskell.org?) |
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