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| 03:39:25 | <remexre> | does anyone know what the statement of the orphan rule for multi-parameter typeclasses would be? |
| 03:39:57 | <remexre> | the "at least one mentioned type is defined locally" condition wouldn't catch instance Foo Bar a and instance Foo a Baz, for instance |
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| 04:16:47 | <remexre> | oh, the answer is "it doesn't guarantee that the instances are globally unique, just that non-globally-unique ones can be detected locally"... |
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| 11:25:19 | <GdeVolpiano> | Good time of the day and happy new Gregorian year, gentlepeople. |
| 11:25:53 | <GdeVolpiano> | As you can guess from my difficult, but finally successful, attempt at upgrading cabal-fmt, I'm in "updating my IDE" mood these days. |
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| 11:26:05 | <GdeVolpiano> | So I had a question: what is the status with formoulu? |
| 11:26:14 | <GdeVolpiano> | From the package.mask file, it is masked because |
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| 11:28:39 | <GdeVolpiano> | 1 - it depends on text>=2, but if I read correctly, text-2.0.2 is available for ghc-9.4 and ghc-9.6 |
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| 11:31:20 | <GdeVolpiano> | 2 - old versions used to depend on <ghc-lib-parser-9.6, but we now have fourmolu-0.14.0.0 in the repo, which is >=ghc-lib-parser-9.6. |
| 11:32:21 | <GdeVolpiano> | Is there any blocking point left? |
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| 11:36:55 | <GdeVolpiano> | At least for ghc-9.6 and over (it depends on >=cabal-syntax-3.10 for 0.14.0.0, >=cabal-syntax-3.12 for 0.16.0.0) |
| 11:37:21 | <GdeVolpiano> | Happy to work on updating the ebuild if needed |
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| 16:20:22 | <glguy> | Are your questions meant for the Gentoo project? |
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| 17:52:55 | <bwe> | is there something like on the fly type aliases? https://play.haskell.org/saved/WxMkIOjh |
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| 17:54:36 | <mauke> | you want to declare a type in the middle of another type? |
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| 17:55:18 | <bwe> | maybe that or in any way a more convenient way than explicitly defining synonyms. |
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| 17:56:48 | <bwe> | I mean the pattern I have is using Text as type but not having the type properly named. |
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| 18:23:43 | <rockingcool> | Beginner here: What's the best way to 'link' with a package when compiling using `ghc`? I tried installing the 'random' package (https://hackage.haskell.org/package/random-1.1) using cabal, and got this scary message: |
| 18:23:46 | <rockingcool> | WARNING: Installation might not be completed as desired! |
| 18:24:45 | <geekosaur> | right, cabal and stack manage their own installations that are not directly visible |
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| 18:25:18 | <geekosaur> | you don't "cabal install" or "stack install" a library, you write a package description that depends on the library and cabal or stack will install an appropriate version automatically |
| 18:25:38 | <rockingcool> | I see |
| 18:25:47 | <geekosaur> | if you absolutely must, there's "cabal install --lib" but this has the potential to make big messes |
| 18:26:00 | <geekosaur> | and is best used with --package-env |
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| 18:26:27 | <rockingcool> | are virtual envs a thing? like in python |
| 18:27:27 | <haskellbridge> | <maerwald> Sandboxes, before they were prematurely ripped out of cabal |
| 18:28:00 | <haskellbridge> | <maerwald> Now you have to know 3-4 underdocumented cabal shenanigans to emulate the same thing |
| 18:28:15 | <haskellbridge> | <maerwald> Cabal was never good at UX |
| 18:28:20 | <rockingcool> | got it |
| 18:28:33 | <rockingcool> | yeah, I cam tell |
| 18:28:47 | <rockingcool> | Loving haskell so far, but that's definitely a pain point |
| 18:28:48 | <geekosaur> | https://cabal.readthedocs.io/en/3.12/cabal-commands.html#adding-libraries-to-ghc-package-environments |
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| 18:31:32 | <rockingcool> | would you recommend the '--lib' approach for toy programs? |
| 18:32:45 | <geekosaur> | with --package-env=., it's okay |
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| 18:33:27 | <rockingcool> | sounds good, thanks |
| 18:33:38 | <geekosaur> | you really don't want to add them to the default global environment, different versdions will conflict with each other and you'll ultimately end up with horrible tangles |
| 18:33:57 | <geekosaur> | (at least you can cure them by removing the environment file, which ghc will tell you it's using) |
| 18:34:27 | <rockingcool> | right |
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| 18:35:33 | <rockingcool> | are there any common 'first projects' that people usually do in haskell? |
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| 18:35:50 | <rockingcool> | been thinking about a parser, since that seems like Haskell's strength |
| 18:36:50 | <__monty__> | Parser combinators are great but I honestly wouldn't be able to recommend them as first exposure to Haskell. Depending on previous functional programming experience of course. |
| 18:37:46 | <__monty__> | I think the data61 FP-course is a good practical introduction to Haskell, albeit with a bit of a steep curve if you don't have guidance or prior experience. |
| 18:38:47 | <glguy> | rockingcool: depends on what you think is fun. I like making text games, IRC clients, and solving puzzles, so I use Haskell for those. It's generally suitable for what first project is something you're interested in |
| 18:39:39 | <rockingcool> | my only previous exposure to FP is python, which probably doesn't even count |
| 18:41:07 | <rockingcool> | glguy: Thanks for the ideas, an irc client sounds fun |
| 18:41:36 | <glguy> | A bot requires less UI so that can be a good starting point on that path |
| 18:42:19 | <rockingcool> | sounds good |
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| 22:04:06 | <orangeFlu> | so i'm trying to play around with par and pseq in the ghci, but it seems no matter what i do, the ghci complains Control.Parallel doesn't exist as a package. Whats going on? |
| 22:05:42 | <__monty__> | Sounds like a module, not a package. |
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| 22:06:33 | <orangeFlu> | yeah, module, sorry |
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| 22:09:14 | <__monty__> | Did you install the parallel package? |
| 22:09:18 | <geekosaur> | you need to get the "parallel" package loaded |
| 22:09:45 | <orangeFlu> | how do i install it? |
| 22:09:58 | <orangeFlu> | like cabal install? |
| 22:10:24 | <geekosaur> | cabal repl -b parallel |
| 22:11:42 | <orangeFlu> | it works! |
| 22:11:44 | <orangeFlu> | thanks |
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