Logs on 2025-02-13 (liberachat/#haskell)
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| 00:37:29 | <zwro> | are there arguments against using -O3 in development besides longer compilation time? |
| 00:38:05 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> people always say it does nothing... |
| 00:38:28 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> but it exists for _some_ reason... |
| 00:38:47 | <c_wraith> | is it documented?\ |
| 00:38:48 | <geekosaur> | yeh, my understanding is that it adds a lot to compile time but only produces speedups in some rare edge cases |
| 00:39:03 | <geekosaur> | it's documented, and the documentation more or less says what I just did |
| 00:39:44 | <geekosaur> | my conjecture is it helps for some corporate users |
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| 00:40:13 | <c_wraith> | https://downloads.haskell.org/ghc/latest/docs/users_guide/ghc.html#optimization-levels I suppose it's technically documented... |
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| 00:47:13 | <zwro> | i actually meant -O2 but this was funny |
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| 00:47:44 | <zwro> | well i guess my question goes for any optimization level |
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| 00:48:28 | <zwro> | i just found out that in some scheme implementations, high optimization levels turn off type checking so i thought to ask here |
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| 00:49:17 | <zwro> | if there was some reason i shouldn't have optimization turned on by default while developing |
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| 00:53:35 | <jackdk> | You'll still get typechecking but your compilation speed may be slower at higher optimisation levels |
| 00:54:02 | <zwro> | i know i will still get typechecking in haskell :p |
| 00:54:23 | <geekosaur> | it will impact profiling unless you use a sufficiently recent ghc with -fprof-late |
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| 00:55:11 | <geekosaur> | otherwise no, just compilation speed (and performance of the resulting program, which can be pretty bad at -O0 especially if you were relying on fusion) |
| 00:56:54 | <zwro> | great thanks |
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| 01:05:18 | <monochrom> | You can pretty much analogize ghc : O1 : O2 :: gcc : O2 : O3 |
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| 01:06:31 | <monochrom> | would be funny if GHC -Ooo turns on type checking. April 1st project! |
| 01:06:41 | <monochrom> | err, turns off! |
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| 01:13:26 | <monochrom> | Oh, maybe it means runtime type checks for scheme. |
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| 01:19:02 | <jackdk> | monochrom: `-fdefer-type-errors` is occasionally really useful as a "just let me play with the working bits in GHCi" hammer |
| 01:19:39 | <monochrom> | I use that too. |
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| 04:54:53 | <jle`> | those are some neat monads |
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| 04:56:38 | <jle`> | > The join of the Odd monad is a concat of the inner lists provided there is an odd number of them, and that all of them are of odd length themselves. Otherwise (modulo cases needed for the unit laws), the result is the empty list. |
| 04:56:40 | <lambdabot> | <hint>:1:10: error: parse error on input ‘of’ |
| 04:56:48 | <jle`> | sorry lambdabot |
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| 20:53:06 | <euouae> | Hello why can't I do something like let opticsTree = N "Lens" [N "Fold" [], N "Traversal" []] |
| 20:53:06 | <euouae> | where N = Tree.Node |
| 20:53:21 | <euouae> | It's complaining about a parse error. How is `where` used? Is this a wrong use? |
| 20:54:56 | <euouae> | oh wait, this is a top level binding, ditch the `let`. still I get this error |
| 20:56:08 | <euouae> | hm, it seems like the issue is that it won't accept the capital letter |
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| 20:59:11 | <ncf> | constructors start with capitals |
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| 20:59:46 | <euouae> | yeah I had to do something like where node = Data.Tree.Node etc |
| 21:00:06 | <euouae> | it would be nice if one could temporarily enter a qualified namespace but anyway |
| 21:02:15 | <monochrom> | TBH why not "n"? Even easier to type than "N". |
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| 21:03:04 | <euouae> | yeah that's what I did |
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| 21:16:06 | <monochrom> | Another option you may like one day is pattern synonyms. But IIRC it has to be top level. |
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| 21:37:37 | <EvanR> | double take, I thought N was supposed to be a constructor xD |
| 21:38:02 | <EvanR> | man that convention is so good... when it is followed universally in context |
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