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| 01:35:04 | <cici> | hello, I am having an issue getting my basic hello world program to compile. I made a file with a .hs extension exactly as its described in this webpage: https://piembsystech.com/installing-haskell-on-different-platforms/ |
| 01:35:38 | <cici> | When I compile the code, It doesn't print the "hello, haskell!" string. It just goes onto a new blank prompt. For more info, I'm using Fedora 41 |
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| 01:37:38 | <EvanR> | sorry |
| 01:37:46 | <EvanR> | what does your code look like again |
| 01:38:47 | <cici> | just this single line: main = putStrLn "Hello, Haskell!" |
| 01:39:09 | <cici> | and this is the command I'm putting in my terminal: ghc haskell-hello.hs |
| 01:39:10 | <EvanR> | also, when you compile a program, you are returned to the shell. It doesn't just run your program |
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| 01:39:25 | <EvanR> | it only creates a new program file |
| 01:39:47 | <cici> | How do I get it to print the string in the command line? The website makes it seem like that's the expected result. Sorry if I misinterpreted it, though |
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| 01:39:58 | <EvanR> | ghc is the compiler |
| 01:40:05 | <EvanR> | doesn't run your program |
| 01:40:40 | <EvanR> | ghc haskell-hello.hs should produce an executable file somewhere |
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| 01:40:50 | <cici> | Oh, I just figuring it out with a little more searching: a better webpage explained you have to put runghc to see the output |
| 01:40:50 | <EvanR> | run that |
| 01:41:03 | <EvanR> | you don't have to |
| 01:41:12 | <EvanR> | but that will work |
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| 01:41:49 | <cici> | I think it did: it produced two files, one with a .hi extension and another with an .o extension. And there is an executable, but it doesn't nothing when I click on it |
| 01:42:11 | <EvanR> | because it's not a graphical program clicking probably doesn't show anything |
| 01:42:19 | <EvanR> | instead you have to run it from command line |
| 01:42:44 | <cici> | I see. When I use it from the command line, it says "command not found: |
| 01:42:44 | <EvanR> | e.g. if the file is called myprogram |
| 01:42:54 | <EvanR> | > ./myprogram |
| 01:42:56 | <lambdabot> | <hint>:1:1: error: parse error on input ‘./’ |
| 01:42:57 | <cici> | that ending colon should be a quotation mark |
| 01:43:06 | <cici> | I'll try that, one sec |
| 01:43:22 | <cici> | oh, yeah, I forgot my ./ |
| 01:43:28 | <cici> | I get it now. |
| 01:43:43 | <cici> | So, today I learned: ghc just compiles. |
| 01:43:53 | <cici> | need to run "runghc" to see output |
| 01:44:02 | <EvanR> | glasgow haskell compiler |
| 01:44:04 | <cici> | and, as always, you have to specify path for executable |
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| 01:44:21 | <cici> | Thank you all! Now I just need to get haskell to interop with emacs, haha |
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| 01:44:26 | <EvanR> | also check out ghci |
| 01:44:31 | <EvanR> | interactive haskell interpreted |
| 01:44:34 | <EvanR> | interpreter |
| 01:44:40 | <cici> | is ghci the repl? |
| 01:44:43 | <EvanR> | yes |
| 01:45:09 | <cici> | Ah, got. I am coming from a little bit of a lisp background, so that makes sense. sbcl = ghci |
| 01:49:03 | <geekosaur> | ghc compiles but doesn't run, like gcc/clang and javac. runghc runs but doesn't compile, like python and js. once you compile a program, you can run it multiple times without compiling again unless you want to change the source code |
| 01:49:31 | <cici> | That makes sense, thanks! |
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| 03:32:57 | <slack1256> | On https://www.stackage.org/haddock/nightly-2025-02-20/effectful-core-2.5.1.0/Effectful-State-Static-Shared.html , am I wrong in thinking this is storing thunks on the MVars by design? |
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| 03:37:36 | <slack1256> | NVM, reading the code is using MVar.Strict >.> |
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| 04:57:12 | <energizer> | is there a common name for "(??) :: Functor f => f (a -> b) -> a -> f b" |
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| 05:08:00 | <ski> | @type (??) |
| 05:08:02 | <lambdabot> | Functor f => f (a -> b) -> a -> f b |
| 05:08:23 | <ski> | hm, not sure how it would be pronounced |
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| 05:10:36 | <ski> | maybe one could say "apply all", or somesuch |
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| 06:05:12 | <jle`> | :t (<**>) |
| 06:05:13 | <lambdabot> | Applicative f => f a -> f (a -> b) -> f b |
| 06:05:20 | <jle`> | hm |
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| 10:04:30 | <jackdk> | energizer: relude calls it "flap", which seems as good a name as any: https://hackage.haskell.org/package/relude-1.2.1.0/docs/Relude-Functor-Fmap.html#v:flap |
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| 10:05:26 | <energizer> | jackdk: ty |
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| 10:14:29 | <Noinia> | I'm trying to use a 'Prism s t a b' as a function 'b -> t'. If I understand the docs correctly that should simply be using 'review', but somehow that gives me a type error: https://play.haskell.org/saved/XKsuF05Q am I missing something obvious? |
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| 10:17:35 | <Noinia> | (in particular, somehow in my examples the type of 're p' (where p is some prism) seems to disagree with what the haddocks are promissing |
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| 10:24:14 | <c_wraith> | the lens haddocks often include sections with multiple types that something *acts* like it has |
| 10:24:31 | <c_wraith> | because the true type is significant more polymorphic, in a way that's hard to read |
| 10:25:13 | <c_wraith> | So there will be a bunch of examples of types that it can be instantiated to |
| 10:25:37 | <Noinia> | indeed, but the haddockss suggest that I should be able to use 're p' as if it is a Getter b t. The little code snippet I gave seems to disagree |
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| 10:27:11 | <c_wraith> | I'm not seeing where it disagrees. |
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| 10:28:25 | <Noinia> | Main.hs:7:14: error: [GHC-25897] |
| 10:28:25 | <Noinia> | • Couldn't match type ‘a’ with ‘b’ |
| 10:28:25 | <Noinia> | Expected: AReview t b |
| 10:28:25 | <Noinia> | Actual: Data.Tagged.Tagged a (Identity b) |
| 10:28:26 | <Noinia> | -> Data.Tagged.Tagged s (Identity t) |
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| 10:32:16 | <haskellbridge> | <ozkutuk> "re" is accepting "AReview", which is an alias of "Optic' ...". |
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| 10:32:23 | <haskellbridge> | <ozkutuk> "Optic'" is defined as a "simple" optic, that is it would only work with prisms of type "Prism s s a a" |
| 10:32:46 | <haskellbridge> | <ozkutuk> that's what I understood from the types anyway |
| 10:33:08 | <Noinia> | Ah thanks, well spotted. |
| 10:33:24 | <Noinia> | that at least explains the type error. |
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| 10:35:03 | <Noinia> | I would still expect to be able to write a function with the type signature I gave. (i.e. 'Prism s t a b -> b -> t'). But then I indeed have to dig a bit deeper in the internals |
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| 10:36:43 | <haskellbridge> | <Liamzee> are there any optic libraries that optionally run on deriving? |
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| 10:39:01 | <c_wraith> | :t \p -> withPrism p (\f _ -> f) |
| 10:39:02 | <lambdabot> | APrism s t a b -> b -> t |
| 10:39:11 | <c_wraith> | is that cheating too much? |
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| 10:42:25 | <haskellbridge> | <ozkutuk> Liamzee: what do you mean by "optionally run on deriving"? |
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| 10:45:22 | <Noinia> | c_wraith: Thanks! That'll do |
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| 10:48:24 | <haskellbridge> | <ozkutuk> :t \p -> re (reviewing p) |
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| 10:48:54 | <haskellbridge> | <ozkutuk> I think this will also work, instead of the 'foo' you have in your code |
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| 10:52:09 | <haskellbridge> | <ozkutuk> Noinia: prismToGetterF p b = view (re (reviewing p)) b |
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| 11:01:29 | <Noinia> | ah also thanks! :) |
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| 11:02:59 | <ski> | @type (`withPrism` const) |
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| 11:03:00 | <lambdabot> | APrism s t a b -> b -> t |
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| 19:39:38 | <f-a> | EvanR: I found that invalid magic number error https://github.com/portnov/haskell-gettext/blob/master/lib/Data/Gettext/GmoFile.hs#L41 |
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| 19:41:51 | <mauke> | this error message would be massively improved by changing the code to _ -> fail ("Invalid magic number " <> show magic) |
| 19:42:14 | <f-a> | indeed, or just parseGmo: Invalid magic numer |
| 19:43:18 | <f-a> | Maintainer seems a bit busy at the time, I have a PR with tests etc. https://github.com/portnov/haskell-gettext/pull/3 |
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| 23:41:38 | × | tnt1 quits (~Thunderbi@user/tnt1) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) |
| 23:41:38 | tnt2 | is now known as tnt1 |
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