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00:01:53 <haskellbridge> <Liamzee> dumb jokes: Maybe is a comonad in the pseudo-category Hask; just error "Maybe is a comonad in the pseudo-category Hask" on Nothing.
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00:56:58 <monochrom> Up to a first-order approximation, OOP is more well-organized than FP, yes. But there is a blindspot in OOP advocacy based on that.
00:58:46 <monochrom> Ever heard of mutilple dispatch? Everything is not single dispatch. Only Common Lisp Object System does justice in this regard. C++ comes close, acknowledging that for binary operators such as (+), both a.add(b) and b.add(a) are wrong, you are supposed to have "friend-of-C add(C a, C b)".
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00:59:51 <monochrom> This means that with most OOP languages that understand only single dispatch, some of your organization is artificially biased, which means, if you think about it, poor and clumsy organization, worse than FP's free form.
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01:01:20 <monochrom> I forgot what OCaml does for binary operators like that, but ISTR it is at least decent.
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01:05:04 <constxd> My toy language has proper multiple-dispatch for binary operators, glad to know it's only _partially_ wrong :)
01:05:38 <monochrom> Well yeah you need multiple dispatch for n-ary operations for all n to claim completeness. :)
01:06:10 <monochrom> But I wouldn't say "wrong" I just say "has a limit".
01:07:51 <constxd> Wait actually I guess it has n-ary except only when you have like `fn f(x: A, y: B, z: C) { ... } fn f(x: D, y: E, z: F) { ... }` defined together lexically. Whereas defining a new binary operator somewhere else doesn't shadow anything, it just updates the dispatch rules for that operator
01:08:17 <monochrom> Actually, I forgot Julia. It's also multiple dispatch.
01:08:40 <monochrom> Although, I heard that it's very slow when you actually use that in anger.
01:09:23 <monochrom> And actually it's what you said that reminds me that Julia does that too.
01:12:07 <constxd> It's not clear to me how to make multiple dispatch fit into OOP nicely. Like isn't one of the main tenets that calling a method corresponds to sending a message to the object?
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01:12:48 <constxd> With multiple dispatch, who receives the message? All n objects? If so, who produces the response?
01:12:49 <monochrom> OK yes one version of definition of OOP says that.
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01:14:51 <monochrom> We can always modify my statement to: single dispatch forces you eventually to make an artificial bias somewhere, and it is distracting and hurts organization.
01:15:45 <constxd> Yeah
01:17:00 <constxd> I think what people really like is quite literally just records, the x.foo() method call syntax and the fact that every class gets its own namespace for methods
01:19:27 <constxd> You could eliminate the polymorphism entirely and have static dispatch only and I think you're still like 75% of the way to what people want from OOP.
01:22:59 <constxd> Just adding the ability for bare functions (i.e. not methods) to be overloaded is a nice extra touch on its own, but I guess one thing you're missing from OOP is the ability for an object to later override that somehow. Like you have `fn combine(x: A, y: B) { ... }` and then later `class C < A` decides "I might be a subtype of A, but when you combine *me* with a B, you do it like this:"
01:24:56 <constxd> I think it comes up seldom enough that most programmers are content to find ways around it, but I can see why it would seem like a limitation to purists. It's not surprising that CL has an answer lol
01:30:09 <monochrom> I believe too at first that maybe multiple dispatch is seldom needed. Then a moment later I recall Sapir-Whorf. Is it because we really seldom need it, or is it because we worked around too many times so we forgot that we often needed it? Empirically, Julia supports it and has sufficient adoption to demonstrate that it is very important for quite a number of people.
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01:39:42 <Leary> @tell hseg Since you're using vim, try *.
01:39:42 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
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01:47:49 <haskellbridge> <Bowuigi> OOP is usually too entangled with imperative stuff. Any good examples of functional OOP?
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01:51:02 <geekosaur> there've been a number of examples, but if they'd been good they wouldn't have withered away
01:51:31 <geekosaur> early OCaml, O'Haskell, the comonadic "object" pattern…
01:51:32 <monochrom> I believe that OOP implies mutable state.
01:53:10 <monochrom> I have say 5 objects that refer to a linked list object. Now I insert an element into the linked list, and I want those 5 objects to see it. How do I do that in FP?
01:55:51 <monochrom> Another way to say it: How do I do the Observer pattern in FP? Unless you have something that replaces and outsmarts Observer altogether, say, FRP? :)
01:57:30 <monochrom> So I think one answer is my first answer "OOP is stateful, FOOP is a self-contradiction", and another is my second answer "s/object/agent/ , now it's just FRP".
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02:41:31 <haskellbridge> <Bowuigi> I see. Is the observer pattern crucial to OOP itself though? It's odd to see patterns included in definitions of paradigms
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02:44:47 <monochrom> I haven't thought about crucial. I was thinking about pushing the limit.
02:49:49 <haskellbridge> <Bowuigi> I see, it's not very useful with that I guess
02:50:05 <haskellbridge> <Bowuigi> Without such patterns, rather
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03:05:37 <yin> i don't think FP and statefullness are mutually exclusive
03:07:48 <yin> immutable state is very much functional
03:11:22 <yin> what's the difference between having objects as observers and updating parameters in a recursive function?
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04:37:53 <ski> "I forgot what OCaml does for binary operators like that" -- it allows you to specify parameter (and return) type to be the `self' type (meaning that subclasses now won't necessarily generate subtypes)
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05:15:16 <monochrom> Ah right.
05:15:22 <monochrom> Thanks.
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05:25:28 <polykernel> Hi, is there a dedicated space either on IRC or elsewhere for students to discuss GSoC ideas and proposals?
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05:42:18 <monochrom> I don't think there is a dedicated space.
05:45:43 <polykernel> I see. I just wanted to ask what level of experience with Haskell should one possess in order to work on a medium difficulty proposal.
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05:48:38 <davean> polykernel: Some, It likely varies by proposal and experience level with the specific sorts of skills it requires.
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05:49:53 <polykernel> Perhaps it is easier to answer this if I share some more information about myself. I am currently taking a FP course at my university and have been learning Haskell on my own on and off however I haven't made anything substantial.
05:49:57 <davean> polykernel: if the task was about implimenting thing A, and you were an expert at thing A but knew nothing about haskell, well then you're only challenge would be haskell.
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05:57:30 <polykernel> davean: Thank for your input. I guess my overarching fear is that I won't be able to get up to speed in a reasonable amount of time for a given project.
05:59:52 <davean> No matter your skill level, expect to need to learn a lot. You probably won't know the thing you're doing, Haskell, or the thing it integrates with. At least one will be a mystery to you.
06:00:28 <davean> That said, give what you describe, unless I had strong expertise in the thing, I'd probably stick to the simpler side or you'll likely need a fairly active mentor.
06:01:50 <davean> That said, give what you describe, unless I had strong expertise in the thing, I'd probably stick to the simpler side or you'll likely need a fairly active mentor.
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07:05:51 <Square2> There is no way you can have local functions use a type argument (in its signature) of the enclosing function?
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07:06:28 <jackdk> ScopedTypeVariables?
07:08:41 <Square2> Seems it doesn't do what I want. It complains like: "Could not deduce `a0 ~ a'"
07:09:11 <[exa]> Square2: it's often quite surprising in what it actually does, much initial intuition has also failed for me
07:09:16 <[exa]> Square2: can you post mwe?
07:09:45 <Square2> [exa], I will try.
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07:11:02 <[exa]> Square2: most likely one of the inner signatures there is too generic in some of the variables (did you capture _all_ variables that need to get "through" so that the types check?)
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07:11:53 <Leary> There's nothing unintuitive about SCT, it just has bad syntax: you need to introduce the scoped tyvars in the outermost explicit forall.
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07:12:08 <Square2> [exa], Ok, not sure I understand the latter part ... but that is a me problem probably. =D
07:13:32 <Leary> Err, STV*
07:13:38 <mauke> > let { outer :: forall a. (Read a) => String -> a; outer s = let { inner :: String -> a; inner = read } in inner s } in outer "42" :: Int
07:13:39 <lambdabot> 42
07:13:41 <Square2> wo. I just added a "forall a." in the outermost and it magically works
07:14:11 <jackdk> not magic: https://downloads.haskell.org/ghc/latest/docs/users_guide/exts/scoped_type_variables.html#extension-ScopedTypeVariables
07:14:14 <Square2> Thanks for your input, I can now move on.
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07:19:56 <[exa]> ah yes, the dreaded explicit forall. :D
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14:07:46 <polykernel> davean: Thank you again for sharing your thoughts.
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15:36:15 <kilolympus> Is anyone unable to upload documentation to their packages via cURL?
15:36:29 <kilolympus> I get a 404 despite my package version being released
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15:51:53 <Square2> In my build script I want to execute some of the just compiled code, but not the deliverable "exe" itself. Do I need to define a seperate executable for that in my cabal file?
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16:08:19 <Square2> (I was thinking there were some lazy man's solution that didn't require defining a separate deliverable just for a "build tool")
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16:22:31 <tomsmeding> Square2: if you want cabal to build an executable from your code, you'll have to declare an executable block for it in your cabal file, yes
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17:15:48 <PlsHelp> Hello! Hopefully this is not wrong place to ask this, but I'm trying to start a Haskell course and I'm getting stuck at running "stack build" in the course's folder, I get a bizarre "file not found" error, here's the whole thing: https://pastebin.com/QDQc2dbs
17:16:05 <PlsHelp> Oh and I'm on Windows for now. Does anyone know how to fix this?
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17:33:24 <haskellbridge> <Morj> Way back when I was using windows, stack had problems that its paths to stack-cache would overflow windows's path length limit
17:34:06 <haskellbridge> <Morj> See more info here: https://docs.haskellstack.org/en/stable/topics/stack_root/#__tabbed_1_2
17:35:01 <haskellbridge> <Morj> I had a whole separate partition for stack at 'S:\', and we would still have problems when our libraries had too long a name
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17:36:14 <haskellbridge> <Morj> But also your problem may be unrelated. Try restarting the build several times until the output is small enough. Stack likes writing messages from unrelated builds upon errors
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17:43:28 <haskellbridge> <sm> PlsHelp try asking #haskell-stack:matrix.org (https://matrix.to/#/#haskell-stack:matrix.org)
17:44:08 <PlsHelp> Thanks! I think this is the issue. If I run "stack path --programs" it reveals that the path is in appdata/local, I bet that changing this will fix the issue
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18:16:02 <PlsHelp> The course material tells you to use "stack build", but I ran "ghcup run --ghc 9.6.6 -i cabal --build" instead and it seems to working just fine? Being a complete noob, I have no idea what's the difference between stack and cabal, but as long as it works, it's good enough for me
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18:21:11 <haskellbridge> <sm> They have different strengths, but the end result is much the same, you can use whichever works
18:23:23 <haskellbridge> <sm> today in #Haskell someone solved a mystery cabal failure by switching to stack, and now here in #haskell the reverse.
18:23:54 <haskellbridge> <sm> That's why Haskell is better than other languages, with their paltry ONE build tool :-)
18:24:57 <PlsHelp> The only remaining question then is: The course tells you to run the tests by running "stack runhaskell SetXTest.hs", what would be the cabal equivalent for this?
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18:28:41 <mauke> possibly 'cabal exec runhaskell SetXTest.hs'? not sure
18:29:28 <PlsHelp> That seems to be it! Thank you!
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18:29:48 <PlsHelp> And thank you to haskellbridge as well
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18:31:25 <geekosaur> that was sm. (as the name should suggest, haskellbridge is a bridge, not a user)
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18:32:39 <mauke> ("bridge" because it connects IRC and Matrix channels)
18:33:05 <PlsHelp> Oh, that makes sense. I'm not very familiar with IRC and even less so with Matrix. Well, anyway, thanks for the help everyone!
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18:33:15 <geekosaur> details from the link in its /whois, but it bridges #haskell-irc:matrix.org here
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