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| 02:58:02 | <haskellbridge> | <Bowuigi> The link was broken for me but it's available on https://web.archive.org/web/20240813095622/www.verify-it.de/sub/ccard/index.html |
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| 04:37:06 | <ski> | worked for me, Bowuigi (although only with HTTP, not with with HTTPS) |
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| 04:42:03 | <haskellbridge> | <Bowuigi> I tried http but it didn't work, maybe my browser cached the 404 lol |
| 04:43:28 | <ski> | (sure you didn't manage to copy the ending angle bracket into the URL ?) |
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| 04:55:07 | <iteratee> | I managed to port ihp-hsx to Lucid (v2). Is there anyone around from the IHP project? I think it's useful, and worth publishing either way, but I'm wondering about in-tree or a seperate repo and package on hackage. |
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| 05:43:35 | <jackdk> | I haven't seen much IHP news lately, and generally not a whole lot on IRC. I'd try their project github or discourse.haskell.org or old.reddit.com/r/haskell, probably in that order |
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| 05:57:50 | <iteratee> | I was going to post a PR in either case, but sometimes it's easier if you can catch someone online for a lower-latency conversation. |
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| 06:00:29 | <iteratee> | The lucid port is surprisingly short. |
| 06:00:36 | <iteratee> | https://github.com/digitallyinduced/ihp/pull/2055/commits/aa3b6d4c571cd4650893926e0922404c445c13d7 |
| 06:01:10 | <iteratee> | It helps that attributes are less cumbersome with lucid. |
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| 07:16:04 | <haskellbridge> | <Bowuigi> ski no, none of your links would work if that was the case |
| 07:16:22 | <haskellbridge> | <Bowuigi> The URL detection in SchildiChat is pretty smart |
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| 07:33:47 | <ski> | (mm. i've just noticed that apparently some IRC clients (and some terminals that also do approximate URI/URL detection) don't properly honor or understand delimiting a URL/URI in context, in appendix of RFC 1738,2396,3986 ("Uniform Resource Locators/Identifier(s) (URL/URI) (Generic Syntax)") at |
| 07:33:52 | <ski> | <https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc1738#page-22>,<https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc2396#appendix-E>,<https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3986#appendix-C>) |
| 07:33:55 | <ski> | maybe the site was down, temporarily |
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| 07:36:38 | <mauke> | this is the one I use: https://metacpan.org/dist/URL-Search/source/lib/URL/Search.pm#L142 :-) |
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| 10:33:57 | <Dhanush45> | Hi members |
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| 16:30:00 | <sim590> | I'm trying to upload a new version of the candidate 0.1.0.0 for my package opendht-hs: https://hackage.haskell.org/package/opendht-hs-0.1.0.0/candidate. But, the README file is not updated. I've tried reuploading a new candidate twice under "maintain" button. The README should be this one on my github page: https://github.com/sim590/opendht-hs/. The difference is in the "Dependencies" section. |
| 16:30:50 | <sim590> | I can see that the README in the tar ball I select is the right thing. I entered the archive with Vim and I saw the README was fine. |
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| 16:31:56 | <sim590> | Do I actually need to delete the candidate and reupload ? |
| 16:32:50 | <sim590> | The "upload a new cnadidate button" says: "If you upload a new candidate with the same version as an existing candidate, the older will be overwritten.", so I should not have to. |
| 16:34:40 | <geekosaur> | this seems like a bug in hackage-server. perhaps ask in #hackage? |
| 16:34:51 | <sim590> | Ahhh, right. I'll do. |
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| 18:42:19 | <Noinia> | Does anyone know if the wasm backend is suposed to support ghc-plugins (together with TH?) already? |
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| 18:43:22 | <Noinia> | I don't see a ticket on gitlab, but compiling my package (which uses both TH and a GHC plugin) fails with 'Plugins require -fno-external-interpreter'. (But adding that flag does not really seem to make any difference for some reason) |
| 18:44:33 | <geekosaur> | I think wasm always forces external interpreter? |
| 18:44:47 | <geekosaur> | so plugins are most likely unimplemented |
| 18:47:17 | <geekosaur> | the problem being that you can't arrange for the plugin to run in the external interpreter, especially if it's wrapped in some node glue |
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| 18:48:20 | <Noinia> | hmm, I don't think I fully understand all the subtleties |
| 18:48:43 | <Noinia> | but I guess it means it will be a while before I can start using the WASM backend in my project :( |
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| 18:48:55 | <geekosaur> | it's not subtle at all: who or what translates a binary plugin to a different architecture (including JS or wasm)? |
| 18:49:21 | <geekosaur> | or otherwise arranges for the external interpreter to have it available? |
| 18:50:55 | <Noinia> | why is it a binary plugin? I.e. the ghc plugins are also just packages that it compiles no? |
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| 18:52:59 | <Noinia> | i.e. if one can compile, and therefore run, more or less arbitrary haskell code, within WASM [*], I don't really see what the issue should be. (Provided that those plugins don't e.g. try to access files/or do stuff inherently restricted by the wasm runtime) |
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| 18:56:37 | <geekosaur> | ghc doesn't compile them, your build tool does. (for example I think cabal has you list them as `build-tool-dependency` so they're built before ghc requires them) |
| 18:57:59 | <geekosaur> | ghc just looks for an already-built package. if you use an external interpreter, it would need to tell the remote `ghc-iserv`, which may already be running, to load the plugin from its package store and restart |
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| 20:32:05 | <haskellbridge> | <dmjio> Is "yield" a no-op on single core (no "-threaded") GHC |
| 20:34:06 | <monochrom> | No, because green threads still exist. |
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| 20:36:47 | <haskellbridge> | <dmjio> That’s not what I’m seeing. When I threadDelay 0 it does invoke the scheduler, pushes current thread to back queue; evals other stacks, comes back to mine last. Yield on single core isn’t doing that for me. |
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| 20:37:58 | <haskellbridge> | <dmjio> Yield could try to invoke a core switch and then no op if it sees a single core. Whereas a delay is making a new schedule |
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| 20:43:07 | <haskellbridge> | <dmjio> I bet as an optimization single core doesn’t make a new schedule |
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| 20:47:57 | <EvanR> | isn't yield how you switch threads in non -threaded |
| 20:48:04 | <EvanR> | like the entire point of yield |
| 20:48:09 | <EvanR> | as opposed to being a no op |
| 20:48:46 | <haskellbridge> | <dmjio> It looks like it’s just doing a core switch |
| 20:49:17 | <EvanR> | is "core switch" new jargon |
| 20:49:19 | <haskellbridge> | <dmjio> And when all you have is a single core it might not make a new schedule |
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| 20:49:30 | <haskellbridge> | <dmjio> Cores and threads are very different |
| 20:49:32 | <EvanR> | I only know about "capabilities" |
| 20:49:37 | <EvanR> | not cores |
| 20:49:43 | <haskellbridge> | <dmjio> The are heap objects |
| 20:49:47 | <haskellbridge> | <dmjio> Threads |
| 20:49:47 | <EvanR> | you can have more capabilities than cores |
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| 20:50:08 | <haskellbridge> | <dmjio> It’s an L:m:n model yea |
| 20:51:52 | <haskellbridge> | <dmjio> I have some nested threads each with its own stack and heap, the threads are bubbling up killThread events. While bubbling I’m trying to invoke a yield so their stacks can get evaluated and these thunks on the heap will get forced before they all get GC’d. What’s happening is that these thunks are never getting forced and just getting GC’d before evaluation. When I do a thread delay 0 they do get evaluated |
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| 21:04:39 | <haskellbridge> | <dmjio> Yield could mean give me a different set of threads, not a different set of stack frames. It depends what it means. I bet the yield is defined only in terms of multicore |
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| 21:12:53 | <haskellbridge> | <dmjio> I’ll test on threaded GHC to see if yield behaves |
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| 21:21:03 | <haskellbridge> | <dmjio> I have some nested threads each with its own stack and heap, the threads are bubbling up killThread events. While bubbling I’m trying to invoke a yield so their stacks can get evaluated and these thunks on the heap will get forced before they all get GC’d. What’s happening is that these thunks are never getting forced and just getting GC’d before evaluation. When I do a "threadDelay 0" they do get evaluated |
| 21:21:34 | <EvanR> | oof that edit caused a blast from the past |
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| 21:30:35 | <haskellbridge> | <dmjio> The thread delay? |
| 21:31:22 | <EvanR> | yeah the bridge repeats the whole message |
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| 21:33:28 | <haskellbridge> | <dmjio> Sorry IRC people |
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| 21:37:35 | <geekosaur> | well, it can send edits for the immediately preceding message, but for older ones there's no context so it has to resend |
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| 23:25:51 | <haskellbridge> | <dmjio> My thread stuff still stands, I standby the fact "yield" is not actually changing the thread schedule when doing single core things (for both JS and WASM backends), and WASM backend is the actual GHC RTS so |
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