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| 01:20:50 | <talismanick> | Is hoogle 502'ing because of LLM spam requests overloading it? |
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| 01:33:56 | <geekosaur> | it's being rate-limited because of those, yes |
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| 01:37:25 | <EvanR> | what... |
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| 01:37:44 | <EvanR> | in the old days you had to send your own spam |
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| 01:47:36 | <enikar> | finally we found a use to LLM :/ |
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| 01:58:53 | <talismanick> | EvanR: https://thelibre.news/foss-infrastructure-is-under-attack-by-ai-companies/ |
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| 02:02:19 | <talismanick> | tl;dr: FOSS devs spend thousands on bandwidth while real users get server timeouts, minute-long delay modals, etc as profit-hungry companies vacuum the same text over and over again for free as they all rush to crawl the web and silo its knowledge in the weights of their own LLMs |
| 02:03:21 | <talismanick> | even though conventional crawlers (Google, Bing) take up a fraction of a percent of bandwidth, these spam scrapers can comprise 90%+ of total bandwidth usage |
| 02:04:42 | <talismanick> | so it's not even tragedy of the commons (in the classic 0-sum formulation of inescapable depletion), it's just laziness offloaded as externality because a free API mean they can't be bothered to spend any of their time |
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| 02:05:46 | <talismanick> | never mind that they go to lengths to coordinate across IP address ranges to circumvent blocks when they could behave themselves and not be blocked to begin with |
| 02:06:25 | <EvanR> | ok so their DDOSing the entire internet |
| 02:06:33 | <EvanR> | isn't there a law against this |
| 02:07:00 | <talismanick> | not in China there isn't, apparently |
| 02:07:11 | <EvanR> | surely when you sue them, their AI-in-place-of-real-lawyers will be the weak point |
| 02:08:23 | <talismanick> | they'll do what all Chinese companies do when you sue them for fraud and malpractice: dissolve and leave you holding the bag, the same scammers creating a new company under a different filing because they know they'll never face consequences |
| 02:10:12 | <talismanick> | not sure what the financial payoff is in sending fake bug report, though |
| 02:10:31 | <regalk> | That is really concerning... |
| 02:10:54 | <talismanick> | junior devs looking to pad their resumes by "contributing" bug reports? |
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| 02:11:44 | <talismanick> | but then we have a whole catalog of bad actors with real professional reputations to blacklist lol |
| 02:13:00 | <talismanick> | although I guess they can fall back on plausible deniability |
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| 02:53:57 | <haskellbridge> | <dmjio> Is this a Haskell channel? Where do I go to talk about Haskell ? |
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| 02:55:12 | <EvanR> | here |
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| 02:56:13 | <geekosaur> | this channel often goes a bit weird when nothing else is going on |
| 02:56:37 | <geekosaur> | and sometimes when it is (I really ought to be more proactive about booting stuff to #haskell-in-depth) |
| 02:57:13 | <haskellbridge> | <dmjio> Black pilling rn where did everyone go |
| 02:58:12 | <EvanR> | is the bridge busted somehow |
| 02:58:15 | <EvanR> | like the cone of silence |
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| 03:01:07 | <haskellbridge> | <dmjio> Just you and geekosaur, maybe the bridge is using yield |
| 03:01:34 | <geekosaur> | no, we're the only ones talking right now |
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| 03:02:21 | <geekosaur> | not unusual, it's past midnight in Europe, 2300 in the eastern US, and I think just approaching wake-up time for Japan (but on Sunday so I wouldn't be surprised if people sleep in) |
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| 03:08:35 | <haskellbridge> | <dmjio> Guess europe is all that’s left |
| 03:08:45 | <haskellbridge> | <dmjio> U.S. all went to Python and rust |
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| 03:14:07 | <talismanick> | I'm still here via IRC, albeit I haven't been talking about Haskell |
| 03:14:18 | <talismanick> | (test) |
| 03:18:25 | <geekosaur> | pass. I think |
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| 03:27:40 | <haskellbridge> | <dmjio> Maybe Haskell matrix is more active now than IRC |
| 03:28:00 | <geekosaur> | only a little |
| 03:28:16 | <geekosaur> | this is usually a pretty dead time, as I said |
| 03:29:02 | <haskellbridge> | <dmjio> Well that’s all it takes then. It’s not like the hay day of yester year when lens was released and everyone was talking about traversable and foldable |
| 03:29:30 | <haskellbridge> | <dmjio> Could be. Or it’s just a tide shift |
| 03:30:40 | <geekosaur> | enh. this has always been a pretty quiet time, between weekend and this being a lull where the only people awake are on Pacific islands and maybe Australia |
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| 03:35:54 | <EvanR> | europe went amiga and america went atari |
| 03:36:44 | <EvanR> | oh I thought we were being more apocalyptic than just "it's late" |
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| 03:50:23 | <haskellbridge> | <dmjio> Now it is but I asked 12 hours ago |
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| 08:33:29 | <tomsmeding> | EvanR: ircbrowse gets hit with it too, I currently have a global ratelimit on the thing of 20 requests per second; this makes the thing not go OOM, at the cost of reduced service when it's being spammed |
| 08:35:52 | <tomsmeding> | luckily hetzner has good bandwidth allowances so I'm not close to hitting those :p |
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| 08:39:05 | <tomsmeding> | holy crap I'm actually up to 0.5% of the (20TB) bandwidth allowance on my VPS that serves both ircbrowse and a matrix server |
| 08:39:08 | <tomsmeding> | that's a first |
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| 22:09:09 | <halloy8765> | Hi. |
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