Logs on 2025-04-21 (liberachat/#haskell)
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| 01:21:34 | <haskellbridge> | <Bowuigi> I'm glad that syntax didn't stay lol |
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| 01:40:01 | <geekosaur> | you see it with a lot of Haskell newcomers' code 😛 |
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| 02:15:07 | Sciencentistguy8 | is now known as Sciencentistguy |
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| 02:57:44 | <haskellbridge> | <Liamzee> hmmm, talking to miso dev, this is actually a fairly interesting use case for haskell, no? |
| 02:58:03 | <haskellbridge> | <Liamzee> allow an eDSL for user use on a social platform |
| 02:58:36 | <haskellbridge> | <Liamzee> -xNoImplicitPrelude + Miso, |
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| 09:23:00 | <madjestic> | hey folks, does user svenpanne lurk here sometimes? |
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| 09:53:47 | <haskellbridge> | <hellwolf> > you see it with a lot of Haskell newcomers' code 😛 |
| 09:53:48 | <haskellbridge> | I think hlint at least warns about necesssary brackets |
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| 09:54:13 | <haskellbridge> | <hellwolf> But I have turned it off: |
| 09:54:13 | <haskellbridge> | ... long message truncated: https://kf8nh.com/_heisenbridge/media/kf8nh.com/IRiKaRqglWhrTmwogFnMQyxU/YasBvWsOikw (3 lines) |
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| 10:13:33 | <ski> | doesn't seem to be registered, madjestic |
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| 11:23:22 | <madjestic> | ski: thanks! |
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| 17:21:38 | <haskellbridge> | <Liamzee> just wanted to say that i spent 24 hours using postgresql simple and now I understand why people care so much about type safety because of the untyped nature of generated sql queries |
| 17:23:41 | <EvanR> | which is kind of silly because postgres has a type system |
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| 17:30:24 | <Rembane> | @Liamzee How did the types or lack thereof in sql bite you? |
| 17:30:24 | <lambdabot> | Unknown command, try @list |
| 17:30:30 | <Rembane> | Oh well |
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| 17:32:31 | <EvanR> | also whether type safety in general is important, people somehow access SQL in untyped languages all day |
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| 17:35:53 | <Rembane> | YMMV? |
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| 18:37:29 | <hellwolf> | https://www.twitch.tv/typetheoryforall <-- some live content coming |
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| 20:32:06 | ChanServ | sets mode +o litharge |
| 20:32:06 | litharge | sets mode -bo *!*@2600:1700:69cf:9000:7ccb:83a5:ed49:91cf litharge |
| 20:34:43 | <jacopovalanzano> | xD |
| 20:35:08 | <jacopovalanzano> | o/ |
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| 20:49:43 | <Rembane> | \o |
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| 21:05:54 | <haskellbridge> | <magic_rb> I hope its being recorded |
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| 21:19:12 | <jacopovalanzano> | ...with all the Elon nazi jokes, you would think tesla cars had gas pedals.... |
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| 23:46:23 | <EvanR> | There is a 27-state turing machine which halts if and only if goldbach's conjecture is true |
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| 23:52:11 | <EvanR> | does this mean if you know the running time of the 27-state busy beaver that you know the answer to goldbach's conjecture |
| 23:53:42 | <TMA> | you can decide by running it for the 27-beaver steps |
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| 23:54:38 | <TMA> | so, you do not know it immediately, but you know it in theory, because only finite many steps are missing |
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| 23:55:53 | <geekosaur> | what's the difference between "halts" and "halts in a finite but possibly unbounded amount of time" |
| 23:56:31 | <EvanR> | fininte but possibly unbounded? |
| 23:56:42 | <geekosaur> | I know I got the terminology wrong there |
| 23:56:42 | <TMA> | a k-state TM that halts halts in at most BB(k) steps |
| 23:57:06 | <geekosaur> | but if it runs for 10^60 years, do you really know the answer from its running time? |
| 23:57:25 | <EvanR> | yeah "you know it in theory" is funny |
| 23:57:37 | <TMA> | in theory there is no difference between theory and praxis |
| 23:57:55 | <TMA> | in praxis the difference tends to be immense |
| 23:58:43 | <TMA> | mathematics does not concern itself with praxis though :) |
| 23:58:53 | <TMA> | that's for engineers |
| 23:59:10 | <EvanR> | with this clarification of what's what, I think the answer to my question is "no" |
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