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| 16:48:46 | <haskellbridge> | <hellwolf> https://lexi-lambda.github.io/blog/2025/05/29/a-break-from-programming-languages/ |
| 16:48:46 | <haskellbridge> | ... long message truncated: https://kf8nh.com/_heisenbridge/media/kf8nh.com/CWsjLFERkREizEFTPyiedbTe/qlgdvs82NSI (3 lines) |
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| 16:57:28 | <EvanR> | >I turned twenty eight this year. |
| 16:57:33 | <EvanR> | wwwwwhat |
| 17:01:14 | <haskellbridge> | <hellwolf> haha, I was surprised too |
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| 17:02:37 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> very interesting, thanks for the link hellwolf |
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| 17:07:09 | <EvanR> | in the "hard" section on the haskell community, I summarize this section as "It's not that I dislike you, it's just that I don't enjoy your company" |
| 17:07:56 | <haskellbridge> | <hellwolf> 😆 is thare a difference |
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| 17:11:48 | <Rembane> | The devil is in the details I suppose |
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| 17:14:37 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> I won't ping lexi-lambda but I hope she gets refreshed and maybe we'll hear from her again in future 🌻 |
| 17:14:42 | <EvanR> | the post about typeclass metaprogramming is really good |
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| 17:17:00 | <Rembane> | EvanR: Is there a talk about that too? Or have I just made one up in my head from that post? |
| 17:17:13 | <EvanR> | it sounds plausible |
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| 17:19:36 | <haskellbridge> | <hellwolf> melancholic day |
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| 17:23:57 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> I see lots of talks on youtube |
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| 21:48:41 | <EvanR> | how does "defer type errors to runtime" even work |
| 21:49:02 | <EvanR> | does the program get instrumented with the means to check dynamic types and this checking is somehow implementing the haskell type system? |
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| 21:51:04 | <ames> | no: if an expression (statically!) has a type error you emit a warning with the error message and then turn the entire thing into error "there's a type error here" |
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| 21:52:36 | <haskellbridge> | <hellwolf> why |
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| 21:52:57 | <EvanR> | ok type checking is not deferred just the error |
| 21:53:51 | <probie> | but it does mean that if an ill-typed function is never called, the program "runs" |
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| 21:54:27 | <monochrom> | It is defer-type-error not defer-type-check for a reason :) |
| 21:55:13 | <EvanR> | if a broken function is never called, can it affect overall correctness through spooky action at a distance ? xD |
| 21:55:54 | <monochrom> | heh |
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| 21:57:52 | <monochrom> | It can affect type inference and instance selection of other parts. When instance selection is at stake, I don't know whether it counts as "possibly incorrect because some instances are unlawful" or "still correct because instances are supposed to be correct". |
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