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| 12:33:39 | <ski> | segfaultfizzbuzz : fwiw, associativity (& neutral element) can be defined as a property of a "variadic" operation on a (finite length) list/sequence (in Haskell terms, `comb [comb as,comb bs,...,comb zs] = comb (concat [as,bs,...,zs])' (or `comb . map comb = comb . concat'). together with `comb [x] = x' (or `comb . sing = id'), this gives us `comb [a,b,...,m,comb ns,o,...,z] = comb ([a,b,...,m] ++ ns ++ |
| 12:33:45 | <ski> | [o,...,z])') |
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| 12:37:18 | <ski> | (and commutativity can be defined as any reordering of the list giving the same result, `comb (p as) = comb as', for any `n'-permutation `p' on a list `as' of length `n' .. which means that `comb' could be defined on (finite) bags, instead of listts. and with idempotency, `comb [a,a,...,a] = a' (`comb . replicate n = id' for positive `n'), could be defined on (finite) sets) |
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| 14:04:10 | <Lycurgus> | is there anything like HSX with just HSX ? |
| 14:05:58 | <Lycurgus> | just hs in html without buying a farm |
| 14:06:02 | <haskellbridge> | <Profpatsch> Lycurgus: yes, you can just use ihp-hsx |
| 14:06:05 | <haskellbridge> | <Profpatsch> as a package |
| 14:06:07 | <haskellbridge> | <Profpatsch> I do that everywhere |
| 14:06:24 | <haskellbridge> | <Profpatsch> Works very well, produces a Blaze.Html type |
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| 14:07:42 | <Lycurgus> | ty so much <Profpatsch>, i take it u r referring to pulling ihp/hsx outta all the stuff |
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| 14:08:20 | <Lycurgus> | *ihp/ihp-hsx |
| 14:08:30 | <haskellbridge> | <Profpatsch> Lycurgus: yes it’s packaged as https://hackage.haskell.org/package/ihp-hsx |
| 14:08:36 | <haskellbridge> | <Profpatsch> very little dependencies |
| 14:08:41 | <haskellbridge> | <Profpatsch> pretty nice |
| 14:08:51 | <Lycurgus> | got it thx! |
| 14:10:39 | <Lycurgus> | i held my nose since im quite familiar with nix, having used it a lot about 15 ya, now i can pull that sucker out |
| 14:10:59 | <Lycurgus> | maybe |
| 14:11:04 | <haskellbridge> | <Profpatsch> hm? |
| 14:11:10 | <Lycurgus> | in time anyway |
| 14:11:21 | <Lycurgus> | i dislike and dont want nix |
| 14:11:32 | <haskellbridge> | <Profpatsch> ah you mean because ihp uses nix |
| 14:11:38 | <Lycurgus> | yeah |
| 14:11:39 | <haskellbridge> | <Profpatsch> yeah no this pkg is pretty stable on hackage |
| 14:11:51 | <haskellbridge> | <Profpatsch> does not depend on the rest of ihp |
| 14:11:58 | <Lycurgus> | i haven inspected the tarball yet |
| 14:12:30 | <Lycurgus> | but first glance at the hackage page indicates it is still nix dependent |
| 14:12:50 | <haskellbridge> | <Profpatsch> no |
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| 14:13:04 | <Lycurgus> | oh great |
| 14:13:07 | <haskellbridge> | <Profpatsch> you only need nix if you want the ihp release pinned to their exact versions |
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| 14:13:21 | <Lycurgus> | color me happy |
| 14:13:28 | <haskellbridge> | <Profpatsch> which is nice for a web framework that has a lot of deps |
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| 14:35:03 | <Lycurgus> | looks like the bridge is running outta somebody's residence |
| 14:35:17 | <Lycurgus> | explanatory |
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| 15:02:29 | <geekosaur> | it is, but I shouldn't be that unstable. I think my router is running out of NAT entries. have another one waiting for swap-in, and am otherwise waiting on the HF to fund me moving it somewhere else |
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| 18:35:25 | <user0> | hi humans |
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| 18:39:09 | Clint | squints. |
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| 18:53:12 | <EvanR> | ain't nobody here but us chickens |
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| 18:55:14 | <[exa]> | user0: evenin' |
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| 19:24:33 | <m_a_r_k> | these days are people using stack or cabal more? |
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| 19:30:06 | <[exa]> | m_a_r_k: depends on the usecase, and there are opinions involved |
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| 19:30:44 | <[exa]> | m_a_r_k: personally I'm avoiding stack as much as possible |
| 19:32:13 | <monochrom> | Theses days 50% stack 50% cabal. |
| 19:32:54 | <monochrom> | But you can ask me what *I* use rather than what "people" use. |
| 19:33:01 | <humasect> | i was asking this the other day, my feel says stack is on the way out , new projects cabal (i wasnt around for the Stack Era so always been to me) |
| 19:33:54 | <monochrom> | I fear that lots of things "on their way out" take 20 years to become out. Just look at COBOL. |
| 19:34:23 | <monochrom> | Even OS/2. |
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| 19:35:29 | <monochrom> | I lost my OS/2 install CD. I would have put it inside VirtualBox for fun if I still had the CD. |
| 19:39:40 | <m_a_r_k> | I've played with haskell a lot, but always just little toy projects that I could implement myself in a file or two. I'm trying to build a little more seriously, so I've played with both. |
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| 19:40:01 | <m_a_r_k> | I had a really hard time getting stack to work with hls, so I gave up and switched to cabal |
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| 19:40:43 | <m_a_r_k> | prior to this, I've just been installing the libraries I wanted (I'm on arch so a lot of libs are available in the repos) and just using the system ghc for everything |
| 19:43:19 | <monochrom> | This much everyone agrees: Go with whichever you find most convenient. |
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| 19:45:02 | <m_a_r_k> | that makes sense |
| 19:45:20 | <m_a_r_k> | it looks like switching a project later wouldnt be too hard anyway |
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| 22:11:04 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> m_a_r_k: stack all day here |
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| 22:15:26 | <geekosaur> | I'm exclusively cabal unless testing someone else's setup that requires stack |
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| 22:22:07 | <m_a_r_k> | <sm> what do you like about stack over cabal? |
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| 22:41:18 | <EvanR> | > sum (map ord "cabal") |
| 22:41:19 | <lambdabot> | 499 |
| 22:41:22 | <EvanR> | > sum (map ord "stack") |
| 22:41:24 | <lambdabot> | 534 |
| 22:41:40 | <EvanR> | superior value, same great taste |
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| 23:16:46 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> m_a_r_kthe focus on reproducibility, the consistent UX |
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| 23:20:27 | <user0> | some cool people in here!!! |
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| 23:55:57 | <haskellbridge> | <Kyle Butt> ihp-hsx can also produce a lucid2 value if you want instead of Blaze.Html Same templates different backend. |
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