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Logs on 2025-06-28 (liberachat/#haskell)

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00:27:02 <r-sta> i think i managed to get agi down to 2 principles
00:27:29 <r-sta> 1, an arbitrary L2 problem is used in place of the recursive "improving at self improving at self improving..."
00:28:20 <r-sta> 2, the random submasking of an extensible random support (which approximates optimal ML acceleration via extension - like transfer learning from a lower rank system to initialise a higher rank system)
00:28:27 <r-sta> ...
00:29:56 <r-sta> 1 allows the expensive recursive self improvement objective to be "approximated" by an "arbitrary" L2 problem, while the random submasking makes this "arbitrary" cost function "general" (as its many different random support adjustments in a batch. all of which it is then having to be good at)
00:30:02 <r-sta> ...
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00:30:09 <r-sta> then there is a bit where gradient descent is added
00:30:36 <r-sta> this is required since otherwise it just explodes exponentially, and cannot decelarate to hone in on the optima in a fine way
00:31:32 <r-sta> raising the open question "does a mixture of automorphisms including (parameterless) gradient descent converge"
00:32:02 <r-sta> and the stronger problem of if it would still be a converging automorphic mixture, if gradient descent was subsequently removed after convergence
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00:32:18 <r-sta> over.
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00:35:31 <r-sta> https://vocaroo.com/16T63ZiFpXw4
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01:29:25 <ncf> can we ban this nonsense?
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01:44:16 <ncf> thanks
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02:10:22 <probie> Does anyone have strong opinions about FRP libraries (or even just the paradigm itself)?
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02:23:02 <geekosaur> "the" paradigm? aren't there like 4?
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03:08:39 <monochrom> Using a sum type, 4 paradigms can be considered 1 paradigm >:)
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03:09:08 <monochrom> (Dually, using conjunction, 10 axioms can be considered 1 axiom. >:) )
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03:09:44 monochrom has strong opinions about how to count axioms.
03:10:03 <c_wraith> there's only one axiom with enough conjunction
03:10:45 monochrom has stronger opinions about how English treats hair uncountable but axioms countable.
03:11:32 <c_wraith> hair is both. I can pull three hairs.
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04:17:36 <probie> to clarify, in this context I mean FRP in the spirit of reactive-banana or reflex
04:18:28 <probie> so possibly 2 paradigms :p
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16:04:50 <Jacoby6000> o/ hello haskell people. I'm working on implementing a simple scripting language using recursion-schemes. I'm struggling with the implementation of a loop.
16:05:02 <humasect> recursion ?
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16:05:42 <Jacoby6000> Cata doesn't really work because leafs get evaluated immediately and I can't tell it to re-evaluate the loop body. para might work, since it gives you the previous result's sub-tree, but I'm not sure its the best choice
16:06:05 <Jacoby6000> Is there a paper somewhere that covers this, or any general advice anyone can offer?
16:06:49 <Jacoby6000> I have some Expr a data type, with Loop a a being the loop structure, where the first a is the predicate and the second a is the loop body'
16:06:58 <humasect> '!' tags ?
16:07:08 <humasect> err strict/controlled expression eval
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16:11:54 <c_wraith> what kind of loop?
16:12:11 <c_wraith> the thing about cata/para is that they always terminate, structurally
16:12:52 <Jacoby6000> Should I use some kind of hylo where the ana portion of the hylo performing loop iteration?
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16:12:56 <Jacoby6000> A while loop in this case
16:13:39 <c_wraith> You could model it as a cata over the sequence of conditionals before each iteration, I guess
16:16:07 <humasect> eh sounds like a prolog thing
16:16:27 <Jacoby6000> I'm getting the sense that a regular old interpreter with manually handled recursion may be the approach here, rather than using recursion schemes
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16:19:10 <monochrom> IIUC all combinators in recursion-schemes terminate. An arbitrary loop in your language probably can non-terminate. Therefore recursion-schemes cannot do it.
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16:20:52 <Jacoby6000> ahh that is pretty conclusive! thank you for the insight
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17:09:16 <Jacoby6000> Oooh I could write the loop as an embedded expr, then on loop nodes I can just run cata again, use the resulting state to evaluate the predicate, and then potentially call cata yet again
17:09:30 <Jacoby6000> Loop (Expr a) (Expr a)
17:09:57 <Jacoby6000> I have a feeling this will backfire, but I've gotta try :D
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