Logs on 2025-07-14 (liberachat/#haskell)
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| 01:10:31 | <jackdk> | Absolutely not. Sorry. I thought I was in #bootstrappable |
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| 08:12:52 | <[exa]> | is it just me or is withFile somewhat too invasive with exception masking? |
| 08:13:32 | <[exa]> | if I do `withFile something WriteMode $ ...throws exception...`, the exception gets renamed to "withFile: does not exist (No such file or directory)" |
| 08:14:08 | <[exa]> | otoh if I do `bracket (openFile something writeMode) hClose $ ...same exception...` I get the proper exception from the "inner" code |
| 08:14:11 | <[exa]> | is that expected? |
| 08:15:18 | <[exa]> | turns out that on windows it's properly bracketed: https://hackage.haskell.org/package/ghc-internal-9.1201.0/docs/src/GHC.Internal.IO.StdHandles.html#withFile |
| 08:15:42 | <[exa]> | but on posixes the bracket is actually re-annotating all exceptions: https://hackage.haskell.org/package/ghc-internal-9.1201.0/docs/src/GHC.Internal.IO.Handle.FD.html#withFile |
| 08:16:57 | <[exa]> | oh well https://gitlab.haskell.org/ghc/ghc/-/issues/20886 |
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| 14:32:36 | <tomsmeding> | apparently few people care :p |
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| 15:02:03 | <juri_> | I don't suppose anyone *else* is doing AI with haskell? :) |
| 15:02:44 | <juri_> | I got multi-head attention working yesterday. now drawing the rest of the owl. |
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| 15:05:05 | <Clint> | juri_: what are you doing for hardware acceleration? |
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| 15:06:35 | <juri_> | I'm not, right now. I've got a crate of FPGA accelerators, for when i rewrite everything in clash. it looks like my code should be trivial to run with accelerate, thanks to repa-accelerate. |
| 15:09:00 | <Clint> | cool |
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| 15:18:35 | <tomsmeding> | juri_: where's this repa-accelerate? |
| 15:19:54 | <juri_> | accelerate-io-repa is part of it. haven't done the "does it work" legwork. |
| 15:20:43 | <tomsmeding> | I expect that the typing of repa is too haskelly to be able to make a proper "accelerate backend" for repa |
| 15:21:47 | <juri_> | https://github.com/blambo/accelerate-repa looks like someone's attempt.. 14 years back. :) |
| 15:21:48 | <tomsmeding> | yeah repa's typing is not suitable for a deeply embedded language |
| 15:21:53 | <tomsmeding> | that's the other way round |
| 15:22:11 | <tomsmeding> | you can certainly interpret accelerate into repa but that's... a bit pointless? |
| 15:22:11 | <juri_> | oh. yeah. :) |
| 15:22:35 | <juri_> | tl;dr: future problems. right now, i'm still implementing the transformer block. |
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| 15:23:07 | <tomsmeding> | if you're not tied to exactly the 'repa' library, tough, repa code and accelerate code should be fairly easily inter-convertible |
| 15:23:18 | <tomsmeding> | programming models are very similar |
| 15:23:38 | <juri_> | I'm not tied-tied yet. it's just the first tool grabbed. |
| 15:23:42 | <tomsmeding> | sure |
| 15:24:45 | <tomsmeding> | iirc repa does not have a forward permutation primitive, but perhaps for machine learning you don't need that very much |
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| 15:27:14 | <juri_> | I'm finding out all of the things the hard way. :) |
| 15:27:53 | <tomsmeding> | that's the fun way :) |
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| 16:44:42 | <gaze__> | Anyone have an example of a DSL with only first-order named functions that lifts type unification to the host language? |
| 16:44:50 | <gaze__> | function type unification I mean |
| 16:45:55 | <gaze__> | like -- I'm using the DSL to generate imperative code, but I also want to write imperative code in the DSL, and I was wondering how much I can avoid writing the function table out like defun "functionName" do blahblahblah in some gihugeous function |
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| 18:51:29 | <[exa]> | tomsmeding: re "use it accordingly" depends; I was too lazy to copy the whole gpl notice :D |
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| 18:53:10 | <tomsmeding> | [exa]: "free software" is quite a bit broader than GPL ;) |
| 18:55:25 | <[exa]> | I'm going to fix that once I manage to fix the space&normal conflict mixing |
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| 18:55:27 | <[exa]> | :D |
| 18:58:15 | <yushyin> | ls |
| 18:58:17 | <yushyin> | ups |
| 18:58:20 | <yushyin> | sorry :) |
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| 19:33:09 | <[exa]> | yushyin: here have some files: home etc usr var |
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| 19:48:24 | <tomsmeding> | % System.Process.system "ls" |
| 19:48:25 | <yahb2> | entry.sh ; initdefs.hs ; Yahb2Defs.hs ; ExitSuccess |
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