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| 17:51:21 | <__monty__> | I depend on an AST Expr type and it occasionally gets some new constructors. I only need to handle some of the constructors so I have a catch all pattern at the end. This is great when the new constructors are to be ignored but it's made me miss adapting to deal with new relevant constructors. Is there a more shorthand way than having a definition for each of the irrelevant constructors? |
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| 18:21:32 | <tomsmeding> | __monty__: https://downloads.haskell.org/ghc/latest/docs/users_guide/exts/or_patterns.html#extension-OrPatterns ? |
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| 18:46:43 | <__monty__> | That looks like exactly what I asked for. How eyebrow raising is this extension? |
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| 18:48:13 | <geekosaur> | well, it's pretty new (added in 9.12) |
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| 19:14:19 | <__monty__> | Ah, darn, still on 9.10. |
| 19:15:27 | <__monty__> | Is the semicolon for OR syntax from somewhere? I think Agda has something like this using the guard syntax. |
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| 19:17:56 | <darkling> | erlang (derived from prolog syntax) uses , for "and" and ; for "or" in guards. |
| 19:18:12 | <darkling> | So I'd guess it's something in the history of prolog? |
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| 19:29:47 | <geekosaur> | you might note that ewe also use , for "and" in both guards and list comprehensions |
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| 19:39:00 | <__monty__> | Maybe I should look into doing what I'm doing with generics or something, the relevant constructors are the ones that recurse on the type. |
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| 19:47:27 | <juri_> | wow. this place has gotten dead over the years. |
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| 19:50:52 | <__monty__> | Has ups and downs in activity. |
| 19:51:25 | <__monty__> | There didn't use to be so many options for in depth Haskell chatting I suppose. |
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| 19:53:09 | <ski> | darkling : yes, `;' is "or" (disjunction) in Prolog, and `,' is "and" (conjunction). Erlang also separates multiple defining clauses of the same function with `;', which, logically speaking, makes less sense (`foos([ ]) -> ok; foos([X|Xs]) -> foo(X),foos(Xs).' is supposed to claim that both clauses hold true ..) |
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| 19:57:54 | <ski> | in Prolog, the Horn clause notation `p :- a,b,c' (`p', if `a' and `b' and `c') actually comes from the "disjunction-of-possibly-negated literals" notation `p,-a,-b,-c', where the `,' means "or" (and the previous `:' is a separation between positive and negative literals) (a Horn Clause is a Clause with at most one positive (unnegated) literal. with zero, `:- m,n', alternatively `?- m,n' strictly speaking |
| 19:58:00 | <ski> | claimes not both of `m' and `n' can hold, but acts like a query, asking to prove `m' and `n' (by assuming its negation, and trying to derive a contradiction, the empty clause `:-')) |
| 19:59:51 | <ski> | (Erlang was originally implemented in Prolog) |
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| 20:05:49 | <ski> | ("" by rvirding at < and for Erlang. Contribute to rvirding/erlog development by creating an account on GitHub.> is a Prolog interpreter implemented in Erlang, by one of the original Erlang people) |
| 20:06:16 | <ski> | er |
| 20:06:17 | <ski> | ("Erlog" by rvirding at <https://github.com/rvirding/erlog> is a Prolog interpreter implemented in Erlang, by one of the original Erlang people) |
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| 20:17:53 | <jle`> | is there a rough estimate on how accurate/precise Control.Concurrent.threadDelay aims to be? the input is in microseconds but ie would we expect a meaningful difference between 1_000_000 and 1_000_010 |
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| 20:50:39 | <EvanR> | jle`, I noticed a distinct difference in responsiveness between threaded and non-threaded |
| 20:50:48 | <EvanR> | threaded being more responsive by a lot |
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| 21:08:40 | <geekosaur> | non-threaded probably relies on it playing nicely with `select()`, which… good luck with that |
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| 21:09:20 | <geekosaur> | (`select()` provides a timeout. it's not even implemented on most OSes, and when it is it isn't very reliable; often the only useful timeout is 0 for a quick poll) |
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| 21:49:04 | <c_wraith> | huh. I had no idea the timeout argument in select() often doesn't work. |
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| 22:01:32 | <EvanR> | it works on most OS that I use |
| 22:01:48 | <EvanR> | 100% local success rate |
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| 22:25:39 | <c_wraith> | huh. `cabal test' is sort of silly. |
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| 22:26:07 | <c_wraith> | I can't pass command-line arguments to the test program using it. But I can with `cabal run test' |
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| 22:31:09 | <geekosaur> | --test-options |
| 22:31:37 | <c_wraith> | that's... so awkward. why would I ever use that instead of `cabal run test'? |
| 22:32:34 | <geekosaur> | you want --test-show-details |
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