Logs on 2025-07-19 (liberachat/#haskell)
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| 00:07:50 | <koala_man> | blerk, celebrated too soon. The compiler could build a basic binary but fails to build anything with cabal |
| 00:10:19 | <geekosaur> | it would not surprise me if we currently have some conflation of arch with platform: I caught one when Serge was adding Windows AArch64 support |
| 00:10:25 | <geekosaur> | so there are likely others |
| 00:11:17 | <geekosaur> | if you think you are tripping over some, please file Cabal bugs |
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| 00:11:48 | <geekosaur> | (hm, more correctly I caught him trying to add one and asked him what would happen on Apple Silicon) |
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| 00:16:21 | <koala_man> | it's failing because it's invoking the host assembler on a target assembly file |
| 00:17:33 | <geekosaur> | oh. I don't know if we support cross-compilation that well |
| 00:17:41 | <geekosaur> | might ask over in #hackage |
| 00:18:27 | <geekosaur> | although at this time of evening (night for most of the crew) and heading into the weekend, you probably won't get much of an answer until around 0830UTC-ish Monday |
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| 00:23:47 | <koala_man> | I should probably just emulate the whole aarch64 userspace |
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| 00:41:21 | <koala_man> | at the risk of jinxing it again, it appeared that /usr/local/lib/aarch64-linux-gnu-ghc-9.12.2/lib/settings had ("C compiler command", "gcc") and such, and if I update it to aarch64-linux-gnu-gcc cabal at least succeeded installing a bunch of packages |
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| 00:47:32 | <geekosaur> | that sounds like you need to adjust how you're configuring your cross-compiler |
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| 00:49:53 | <geekosaur> | this should be part of the bindist `confgure`; if you're having `hadrian` do that, you may need to split it out so you can configure it with the right cross-utilities |
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| 00:59:06 | <koala_man> | geekosaur: I'm doing ./configure --host x86_64-linux-gnu --build x86_64-linux-gnu --target aarch64-linux-gnu, shouldn't that be enough? |
| 00:59:39 | <geekosaur> | I don't think that's enough to tell it which binaries to use for `GCC` etc. |
| 01:00:07 | <geekosaur> | also that looks like the main configure, not the bindist |
| 01:00:17 | <koala_man> | I didn't know there rwas a difference |
| 01:02:04 | <geekosaur> | `hadrian` builds a cross-compiler and some wrappers to run it. but those wrappers don't really understand cross-compilers and will generally use host headers, libraries, and utilities |
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| 01:02:25 | <koala_man> | I'm doing "./hadrian/build --flavour=quickest --bignum=native -V -j install --prefix=/usr/local". is bindist the one that builds a binary package for installation elsewhere instead of installing directly? |
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| 01:03:07 | <geekosaur> | if you tell hadrian to make a bindist, you will get a (unpacked or packed) bindist which can be installed, but it has its own `configure` that constructs the `settings` file based on what tools it finds on the system. it's not smart so it will find _host_ utilities and headers |
| 01:03:57 | <geekosaur> | oh, also I think if ghc runs things directly it passes target args, but cabal doesn't know it needs to do that when it digs the invocations out of ghc's settings file |
| 01:04:54 | <geekosaur> | so that would explain why ghc can build stuff itself but cabal trying to do the same will use host instead of target stuff |
| 01:05:03 | <koala_man> | I do specify --with-compiler=aarch64-linux-gnu-ghc for cabal |
| 01:05:31 | <geekosaur> | that's not enough, for some things cabal runs gcc directly and gets the invocation from ghc's settings file |
| 01:05:45 | <geekosaur> | which doesn't have a target, as you found |
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| 01:06:05 | <geekosaur> | (specifically I know it does it for "C compiler command") |
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| 01:06:57 | <geekosaur> | and yes, bindist is for when yiou buid something to install elsewhere |
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| 01:07:21 | <geekosaur> | it's generally easiest as you can force the installed bindist to use target utilities instead of host |
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| 01:08:48 | <geekosaur> | and they go into the settings file so cabal will also use them when it inspects ghc's settings to see how to compile stuff itself |
| 01:11:21 | <koala_man> | do I run `./hadrian/build binary-dist`? I tried --help but didn't spot the flags to set the targets |
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| 01:12:10 | <geekosaur> | yes |
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| 01:22:13 | <koala_man> | you're right, build binary-dist does result in ("C compiler command", "aarch64-linux-gnu-gcc") |
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| 01:22:31 | <geekosaur> | :thumbs_up: |
| 01:24:42 | <koala_man> | I haven't incorporated it yet, but manually kludging the settings file did result in successfully building an aarch64 version of shellcheck |
| 01:24:53 | <koala_man> | high hopes |
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| 02:51:41 | <koala_man> | geekosaur: sadly no. while the lib/settings file is correct in the resulting .xz file, ./configure and make install doesn't work: https://gist.github.com/koalaman/47af5b5d0105763a63328a4e5ab9b373 |
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| 02:53:03 | <koala_man> | I'm going back to my sed -e 's/"\(gcc\|g++\|ld\)"/"'"$TARGET"'-\1"/g' -i /usr/local/lib/aarch64-linux-gnu-ghc-*/lib/settings |
| 02:53:13 | <geekosaur> | that looks like bugginess in the configure test, I bet it used host tools to make the test objects it fed to the target ld |
| 02:53:24 | <geekosaur> | file a ghc bug |
| 02:53:42 | <geekosaur> | (in the meantime, though, yes you probably need to massage the settings file by hand) |
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| 20:26:52 | <juri_> | anyone want to see an attention mechanism written in haskell? ;) |
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| 20:31:02 | <juri_> | dropping it here, to see if i can nerdsnipe someone into helping make haskell the LLM language of choice. https://github.com/CopyLeft-AI/HaskeLLM/blob/main/programs/trainLLM.hs#L1564 |
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| 21:00:24 | <HaskellLearner> | hi guys. I have a question about the Integral Typeclass. Is there any other type other than the Int type in the Integral typeclass? |
| 21:02:38 | <HaskellLearner> | sorry i have to leave. But I will be back tomorrow |
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| 21:03:29 | <mauke> | Integer, Int32, Int64, ... |
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| 21:50:17 | <EvanR> | @tell HaskellLearner Integer, Int32, Int64, ... |
| 21:50:17 | <lambdabot> | Consider it noted. |
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