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| 02:12:02 | <Square3> | is there a goto configuration file reader library? Something that relies on yaml, json or similar? |
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| 02:14:41 | <glguy> | There are a bunch. I maintain toml-parser and config-value for two |
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| 02:18:58 | <Square3> | glguy, neat. Both looks interesting. Now I have to choose |
| 02:19:42 | <glguy> | config-value is more powerful. TOML is a format people are more familiar with. |
| 02:20:23 | <geekosaur> | and then there's Dhall, but you probably don't actually want to deal with that unless you actually need to |
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| 02:21:38 | <glguy> | If you can't decide, I'd say stick with TOML |
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| 02:23:15 | <Square3> | Yeah, I have basic needs so I'll try TOML then |
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| 04:16:35 | <b7r6> | anyone know a mirror of the great `impurepics` images? the main host seems to be down. |
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| 13:58:38 | <geekosaur> | apologies for unexpected bridge outage, my laptop suddenly decided it didn't have a keyboard and I had to hard crash it and pop the cover to reconnect it |
| 13:59:16 | <geekosaur> | yet another reason I need to get that thing off of my laptop… |
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| 17:00:21 | <Enrico63> | Hi all. I've just quit my job, because after 6 years I've ended up entirely demotivated. I'd like to become a professional Haskell developer. So far I've only done some toy projects, and minor contributions to open source. Any suggestions as to what I should concentrate on, now that I have (well, in 20 days from now, roughly) all the time I need to |
| 17:00:21 | <Enrico63> | study and try things? I have the feeling that all Haskell positions around are invariably senior positions. How does anybody get senior without being junior? :( |
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| 17:01:29 | <Enrico63> | ... or is this an off-topic question? |
| 17:03:46 | <Lycurgus> | what will be the total count of days after the 20 elapse? |
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| 17:14:41 | <Lycurgus> | since ur query is about haskell, you are a beginner, and the topic does not specify scope, it is not clearly off topic, but it is probably better placed as indicated in #haskell-offtopic or #haskell-blah |
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| 17:17:28 | <Enrico63> | The total number of days of what? :/ |
| 17:17:50 | <Enrico63> | Days of using Haskell!? |
| 17:17:55 | <Lycurgus> | y |
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| 17:18:33 | <Enrico63> | How, I can't quantify, but I've started using it in 2020 in my spare time. |
| 17:18:57 | <Lycurgus> | k |
| 17:20:46 | <Enrico63> | Not having done it in a professional env, my growth is limited by the relatively short time I've invested into it (again, hard to quantify), the books I've choosen to study, the questions I've been able to get good answers to on SO, and so on. |
| 17:20:46 | <Enrico63> | To give something more "measurable", here's a "complete" poject I've done: https://hackage.haskell.org/package/xnobar-0.0.0.1 |
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| 17:21:28 | <Enrico63> | which is a notification server for xmobar, a status bar for xmonad, if you've heard of either |
| 17:26:01 | <glguy> | using a language is the only way to develop proficiency in it. as far as the kinds of things you should focus on, that would be determine by your interests and goals. if there's a kind of thing you like programming/using or a specific industry you wanted to work in |
| 17:27:11 | <glguy> | also, I think it's more common for people to happen to use Haskell for their job than to outright have a "Haskell position" |
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| 17:33:24 | <Enrico63> | I tried pushing for something different, but the company I'm quitting I think it's completely unlikely to ever try. Until Haskell becomes at the same time easier-to-learn for the novice than C++, and compiles to faster code regardless of how badly you write it. Something impossible, so to say. |
| 17:33:55 | <Enrico63> | Something different = can we use Haskell for experimenting on new features? |
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| 17:43:31 | <glguy> | and then have to reimplement all of it when the feature was useful? |
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| 17:45:16 | <Enrico63> | no, I meant, experiment to see if the feature, developed in haskell, meets the requirements |
| 17:45:53 | <Enrico63> | but I never felt like I had a chance to anybody in management even listening to a proposal |
| 17:46:58 | <Enrico63> | But that's irrelevant now, I just couldn't be in that place anymore. |
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| 20:32:56 | <ethereal_> | btw does anyone know why lyah is down? |
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| 20:36:49 | <int-e> | presumably the author lost itnerest. there's https://learnyouahaskell.github.io/ |
| 20:37:26 | <int-e> | (14 years is a long time) |
| 20:39:32 | <monochrom> | From an economic perspective, one would ask the opposite: why it lasted that long for free. |
| 20:39:56 | <int-e> | hosting *is* cheap |
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| 20:41:13 | <monochrom> | Yes if the maintainer redirects all bug reports and feature requests to the spam folder. |
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| 21:07:50 | <ethereal_> | monochrom: true, just found it weird that the entire website is down without any message |
| 21:08:04 | <ethereal_> | int-e: perhaps, yeah i already discovered that fork, already using it |
| 21:08:20 | <ethereal_> | no big difference so far i have seen |
| 21:08:36 | <ethereal_> | tho i also got the pdf version of the original lyah lying somwhere on my harddrive |
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| 21:10:26 | <geekosaur> | I think it was created the last time the original site went away (yes, this has happened before) |
| 21:10:44 | <geekosaur> | someone at some point did try to make a more up to date version, but I think they ended up bailing |
| 21:11:25 | <geekosaur> | the Haskell ecosystem has a certain tendency to not merely upgrade but move seismically in the process |
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