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| 08:18:12 | <kuribas> | What's the deal with elixir, and why couldn't you do the same in haskell? |
| 08:18:26 | <kuribas> | I understand it is basically about having green threads, and recovering from exceptions. |
| 08:18:31 | <kuribas> | Also pure message passing. |
| 08:18:38 | <kuribas> | All these things are easy in haskell. |
| 08:18:50 | <kuribas> | Except for automatic recovering, but that could be in a library. |
| 08:19:47 | <kuribas> | I know of cloud haskell, but that seems rather complicated and limited (one binary). |
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| 08:22:54 | <kuribas> | I also distrust the concept of "self healing", in elixir, or microservices. |
| 08:23:06 | <kuribas> | It just looks like, trying again and hoping it succeeds next time. |
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| 08:23:36 | <kuribas> | Which I suppose sometimes works, because some external problem like network congestion, but it will never solve a bug in the program. |
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| 08:27:00 | <Lycurgus> | unlike hs, its due to some guy, which could be a plus, runs on the Erlang vm and maybe isn static |
| 08:28:02 | <Lycurgus> | prolly there's a hs hater community by now |
| 08:29:01 | <kuribas> | I heared many positive things about erlang vm. |
| 08:29:02 | <Lycurgus> | (assuming 'elixir' is the lang) |
| 08:31:24 | <kuribas> | There are lots of haskell haters. Clojurists are the worst. |
| 08:31:48 | <kuribas> | Weirdly, there displeasure seems to stem from using java, but then they take it out on haskell. |
| 08:32:02 | <Lycurgus> | i was a clojure hater but i've accepted it as a lisp |
| 08:32:38 | <kuribas> | I like the ideas behind clojure, but I hate writing in it. |
| 08:32:50 | <kuribas> | It's so easy to hide bugs. |
| 08:32:55 | <Lycurgus> | hs ppl normally hate java |
| 08:33:56 | <kuribas> | Yeah, and the criticism seems to amount to having so much boilerplate, due to the explosion of classes, but with ADTs you don't have this. |
| 08:35:29 | <kuribas> | My beef is that you still end up with types in clojure, in the form of malli schemas. |
| 08:35:32 | <Lycurgus> | java is the COBOL of this time |
| 08:36:07 | <kuribas> | Java isn't bad IMO. It's better than python or nodejs for backend applications. |
| 08:36:24 | <kuribas> | If you avoid "no code" BS. |
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| 08:39:41 | <kuribas> | And if I can code in a "functional core, imperative shell" way. |
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| 08:41:26 | <kuribas> | And functions can mutate internally, but should be pure outwardly. |
| 08:44:04 | <kuribas> | Java is boilerplatey and boring, but that isn't necessarily bad in a industry setting. |
| 08:45:04 | <kuribas> | I think python is a huge mistake for anything that isn't a quick script, or a research project. |
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