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| 01:54:53 | <Axman6> | I asked yesterday about whether there was a cbrt function, which exists in C++ at least, and apparently x**(1/3) is the best we can do. I thought I would take a look at what LLVM does, thinking "how hard could it be". Never mind: https://github.com/llvm/llvm-project/blob/main/libc/src/__support/math/cbrt.h |
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| 02:04:23 | <haskellman> | Hello, how to do formal proofs of Haskell programs ? |
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| 02:06:50 | <geekosaur> | Axman6: have you considered using FFI to an existing one? |
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| 02:07:57 | <haskellbridge> | <Axman6> That feels overkill for this particular problem, I’m just trying to add a new colour space to the Color package. |
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| 02:11:58 | <Leary> | Axman6: https://hackage.haskell.org/package/numeric-extras-0.1/docs/Numeric-Extras.html#v:cbrt |
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| 02:32:29 | <haskellman> | Hello everyone, Which prover should I choose to prove my Haskell program. Why can't Ijust import Haskell into the prover and have that as part of the compilation step ? How efficient is the code produced ? Thank you. |
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| 02:56:39 | <geekosaur> | there are no provers designed to take unmodified Haskell code. the closest you get is to modify Haskell code for Agda or Idris. |
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| 02:59:34 | <geekosaur> | (dons modified XMonad.StackSet for Agda and proved it there, although I'm not sure if that's still online anywhere (I'm not finding it on a quick check) |
| 03:00:16 | <geekosaur> | (Wouter Swierstra also reimplemented it in Rocq to formally verify it, but that's a much larger transformation than Idris would be) |
| 03:00:45 | <geekosaur> | https://webspace.science.uu.nl/~swier004/publications/2012-haskell.pdf |
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| 14:32:57 | <bwe> | What's the proper way to run `cabal repl` with `n` threads? `cabal repl --ghc-options='+RTS -N5'` does not show that it's run in threaded mode, should it? |
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| 14:49:46 | <EvanR> | maybe this https://jezenthomas.com/2025/03/10x-speedup-in-ghci/ |
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| 14:53:06 | <bwe> | Should ghc should show me whether it starts in threaded mode or not? |
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| 14:56:05 | <EvanR> | threaded or not is a compile time thing |
| 14:56:26 | ← | L29Ah parts (~L29Ah@wikipedia/L29Ah) () |
| 14:56:29 | <bwe> | so, how can I check whether my options worked? |
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| 14:57:28 | <EvanR> | according to this stackoverflow there is rtsSupportsBoundThreads in Control.Concurrent |
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| 14:58:06 | <EvanR> | which isn't literally the same question but might work |
| 14:58:32 | <bwe> | it returns True for me |
| 14:59:16 | <EvanR> | in ghci? |
| 14:59:22 | <bwe> | yes |
| 14:59:31 | <EvanR> | I wonder if that's talking about the ghci program |
| 14:59:43 | <EvanR> | not your program |
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| 15:00:00 | <EvanR> | either way, you ought to have your threads |
| 15:00:12 | <EvanR> | capabilities > 1 |
| 15:00:48 | <bwe> | where do I find that? |
| 15:01:16 | <bwe> | it's really a pity, having a pure language yet the interface to use threads is so so user-unfriendly. I just want to turn it on in ghci and know whether it's actually turned on, so I can just focus on my code. |
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| 15:08:48 | <EvanR> | bwe, you just determined the threaded runtime "is on" |
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| 15:09:30 | <EvanR> | there is another thing in Control.Concurrent to set number of capabilities at runtime, which only works if you're using the threaded runtime |
| 15:09:33 | <EvanR> | setNumCapabilities |
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| 15:09:50 | <EvanR> | see documentation |
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| 15:18:15 | <bwe> | oh, it works -- thanks, EvanR! |
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| 20:58:24 | <tomsmeding> | why does exposed-modules: in a cabal file accept a comma-less list of module names, but not reexported-modules: |
| 21:02:19 | <hellwolf> | | Some fields take lists of values, which are optionally separated by commas, except for the build-depends field, where the commas are mandatory. |
| 21:02:37 | <hellwolf> | nothing said about "reexported-modules", though. |
| 21:02:50 | <hellwolf> | very arbitrary... |
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| 21:20:04 | <int-e> | tomsmeding: it's because you can have stuff like `reexported-modules: containers:Data.Map as DataMap` so spaces aren't good separators |
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| 21:21:58 | <int-e> | (or at least you could when https://github.com/haskell/cabal/commit/62450f9a81bb7efccf1325a6addb15f693dcf755 landed; I have not actually checked whether that has changed) |
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| 21:23:00 | <tomsmeding> | int-e: :o that saves me a mixins clause |
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| 21:27:44 | <tomsmeding> | okay it doesn't actually work for me |
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| 21:28:13 | <tomsmeding> | the modules to rename come from a sublibrary, and I want the renamed modules to be available inside the library itself too; somehow this is making ghc very confused |
| 21:28:36 | <tomsmeding> | it tells me "could not load module 'renamed name'; it is a member of the hidden package 'sublibrary name'" |
| 21:28:58 | <tomsmeding> | 1. no it's not, the original name is; 2. you should not be looking for it in the sublibrary, it's a reexport of yourself, dammit |
| 21:29:07 | <tomsmeding> | but with mixins it did work so I'll use that instead :p |
| 21:29:32 | <int-e> | it doesn't sound like a *re*export |
| 21:30:09 | <int-e> | (I have no experience whatsoever with that feature, I just traced some repository history) |
| 21:31:32 | <tomsmeding> | but thank you in any case, that does explain the required commas :) |
| 21:31:43 | <tomsmeding> | although it would technically be unambiguous since "as" starts with a lowercase letter, and modules don't |
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| 21:33:50 | <geekosaur> | tomsmeding, could you open a ticket about that? |
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| 21:35:00 | <tomsmeding> | geekosaur: I don't even know if what I'm doing is supposed to work, and in any case, if possible I'd like to stay within the subset of features that stack also supports |
| 21:35:27 | <geekosaur> | you blew that with mixins 🙂 |
| 21:35:35 | <tomsmeding> | I think stack supports mixins |
| 21:35:59 | <tomsmeding> | otherwise why would people complain that `stack repl` fails at a particular use of them, but not in general? https://github.com/commercialhaskell/stack/issues/5077 |
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