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| 10:24:17 | <muhib> | why are there so many active participants in the haskell group? do you develop the language? O:3 |
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| 10:40:11 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> haskell is a very interesting language |
| 10:40:27 | <Franciman> | it offers a lot of great opportunities to learn |
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| 13:36:02 | <muhib> | do you use an ide while programming in haskell? or do you compile it in the terminal from text editors? |
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| 13:49:43 | <probie> | muhib: I think most people use HLS from their editors. If you're coming from something like Java, it's not quite as powerful as a dedicated IDE, but it gives you autocomplete and "angry red lines" when something won't compile |
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| 14:12:03 | <sm> | I do mostly use VSCode with Haskell extension and HLS. When HLS won't work, I fall back to ghcid in a terminal pane. I also keep ghci running in a terminal pane. |
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| 14:13:53 | <sm> | When I need to do a compile or most other actions, I do usually run that command in a terminal pane. It's a mix of GUI and terminal. |
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| 14:17:10 | <chromoblob> | hm, "mix of GUI and terminal", reminded me of TurboVision |
| 14:17:48 | <chromoblob> | interesting, is there something like TurboVision but for other languages (than Pascal)? for Haskell? |
| 14:17:48 | <sshine_> | muhib, I used Emacs and haskell-mode in 2012-2020, after which I switched to VSCode because of the great effort with haskell-language-server and its LSP interface. |
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| 14:18:50 | <sshine_> | muhib, but I think ghcid is still a better experience, because it always works, unlike the LSP plugin which requires a level of care: I think it still needs to match the GHC, which is definitely possible when you manage your project with Nix, so you can have an LSP plugin that is unique to the GHC in your given project. |
| 14:21:01 | <sshine_> | I know people who do something similar in Rust with a crate called 'bacon', resembles the ghcid experience. mostly people who work with embedded, where there can be similar challenges with the LSP plugin because of platform mismatches and experimental features and such. |
| 14:21:26 | <sshine_> | if you switch the toolchain around a lot, ghcid is more robust. |
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| 14:32:08 | <sm> | I don't know what TurboVision was like, what was good about it ? |
| 14:33:10 | <sm> | I mix GUI and terminal to extent of always having my first VS Code editor tab be a terminal running a text-mode emacs. Then I use VSC's terminal pane on the right for additional, non-emacs, terminals. |
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| 15:08:20 | <muhib> | cool, i shall endevour with VSCode but what would I build with it. =D currently going through learn you a haskell for great good, i don't why my vision became short sighted with haskell the more I learn it, what do you build with haskell? extremely sorry if I am ruining your scientific peace, i shall go now. maybe i'll write embedded code for |
| 15:08:20 | <muhib> | real with haskell. has anybody crafted devices using haskell? to me a haskell developer would be an electronics person too. |
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| 15:29:34 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> muhib haskell in its usual form (GHC) probably isn't the best for small devices. Micro haskell however (microhs) might be great |
| 15:31:46 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> I build scripts, command line tools, tui apps, web apps with haskell. But it's especially good for complex / high-assurance / prototype software |
| 15:32:47 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> there are also tools that generate efficient c code from haskell specifications (copilot IIRC) |
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| 15:35:42 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> by if you're building small things with haskell / starting out / not already comfortable with vs code, using an editor and terminal is perfectly fine and possibly better |
| 15:35:53 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> by the way |
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| 20:11:57 | <__monty__> | Is a recursive fold still a fold or is there a more precise concept that's handily wrapped up as a function? |
| 20:13:25 | <tomsmeding> | __monty__: that probably depends on in what way exactly it is a fold :p |
| 20:14:21 | <tomsmeding> | https://hackage.haskell.org/package/recursion-schemes-5.2.3/docs/Data-Functor-Foldable.html#g:3 |
| 20:14:30 | <__monty__> | Well, I'm actually looking to filter something. |
| 20:15:04 | <__monty__> | I want to cut branches from a tree. |
| 20:18:57 | <tomsmeding> | that may still fit a fold, perhaps? |
| 20:25:55 | <Leary> | Filtering is folding. |
| 20:26:32 | <geekosaur> | this does, however, sound like Witherable? |
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| 20:28:35 | <Leary> | You can use `cata` at, say, `(f (Fix f) -> Fix f) -> Fix f -> Fix f` to keep, drop or otherwide adjust layers of base functor as it pleases you. |
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| 20:55:07 | <__monty__> | Hmm, wither isn't recursive per se, is it? |
| 20:56:30 | <EvanR> | is a recursive fold a fold, seems to answer its own question on the face of it! |
| 20:56:37 | <EvanR> | unless it's like a red herring |
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| 21:48:35 | <sm> | ouch, matrix.org is down. https://status.matrix.org |
| 21:49:59 | <geekosaur> | yep |
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| 22:47:03 | <EvanR> | this centralized chat thing is so unreliable |
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| 22:47:25 | <EvanR> | somebody should invent a distributed set of relays which routes internet chat |
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| 22:55:17 | <TMA> | EvanR: there are some such routing schemes. I guess they are even more unreliable |
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| 22:57:35 | <EvanR> | you're right, would never work |
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| 23:45:46 | <monochrom> | Everything is unreliable. >:) |
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