Logs on 2025-09-27 (liberachat/#haskell)
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| 18:58:58 | <f-a> | I am importing a library which exports module Data.Foo |
| 18:59:30 | <f-a> | Can I have a module, in my library, named Data.Foo, which exports exactly Data.Foo (from the imported library)? |
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| 19:00:15 | <geekosaur> | use PackageImports and rename it, then use the renaming in the export list? |
| 19:00:25 | <geekosaur> | (that is, import it qualified) |
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| 19:11:13 | <f-a> | thanks! |
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| 19:44:59 | <newsham2> | hi |
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| 19:46:39 | <newsham2> | whats a good library for doing simple 2D graphics ((int,int)->color would be fine) that displays to screens, works on osx (portable preferred), and can run interactively (not generate and display a static image)? |
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| 20:04:25 | <sm> | hi newsham2, maybe https://hackage.haskell.org/package/gloss ? |
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| 20:19:08 | <dcpagan> | How do you guys rice your GHCi experience? I added this line to ~/.ghci: :set prompt "\ESC[0;35mλ\ESC[0;34m>\ESC[m " |
| 20:19:31 | <dcpagan> | Pretty colorful lambda promptstring. |
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| 20:22:58 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> haha.. I don't dare, I know it will break something obscure in future long after I have forgotten I didi it |
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| 20:24:00 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> alright, I use this (love it): |
| 20:24:00 | <haskellbridge> | ... long message truncated: https://kf8nh.com/_heisenbridge/media/kf8nh.com/VamqAVGMyWEERJFbWzPDkavY/OoiAUlAEB9Y (3 lines) |
| 20:24:11 | <sm> | -- Reload (code changes, unsafePerformIO values) and run main with the given args. |
| 20:24:11 | <sm> | :def rmain \args -> return $ ":reload\n:main "<>args |
| 20:25:35 | <sm> | and this: |
| 20:25:38 | <sm> | -- https://github.com/cdepillabout/pretty-simple |
| 20:25:38 | <sm> | :set -interactive-print=Text.Pretty.Simple.pPrintNoColor |
| 20:26:12 | <sm> | I think some environments might need this as well: |
| 20:26:26 | <sm> | :set -package pretty-simple |
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| 20:34:25 | <newsham2> | fun. trying to figure out how to use cabal and/or stack again. looks like stack doesnt want to work although it worked last time i used it a long time ago. |
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| 20:34:37 | <newsham2> | const change x = change |
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| 20:41:39 | <newsham2> | cool, cabal working ok for me |
| 20:44:12 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> newsham2 you may want to upgrade to latest stack (cabal too) and also update your ~/.stack/global-project/stack.yaml |
| 20:44:21 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> or remove it |
| 20:45:02 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> "stack upgrade" |
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| 21:53:03 | <newsham> | do std libraries have an abstraction for things that can be scaled by a real? |
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| 22:12:55 | <EvanR> | newsham, the standardish library "linear" has a function (*^) with type (Functor f, Num a) => a -> f a -> f a |
| 22:13:13 | <EvanR> | so basically, it doesn't need a new abstraction you just have to define it |
| 22:13:32 | <EvanR> | assuming it's already a functor |
| 22:15:14 | <EvanR> | haskell really needs to push "functor tutorials" more |
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| 22:28:36 | <newsham> | i dont know that i need it, but i was thinking i wanted Int to be scalable too, which wouldnt work with that definition. Integer isnt a container of floats. |
| 22:28:59 | <newsham> | but maybe that was just silliness on my part. the types i care about right now are Float and RGBA as a triple of floats. |
| 22:31:33 | <EvanR> | it's possible to make anything into the dumbest possible Functor xD |
| 22:31:52 | <EvanR> | > fmap (7*) (Identity 3) |
| 22:31:53 | <lambdabot> | Identity 21 |
| 22:33:18 | <EvanR> | but just defining scaleRGBA :: Float -> RGBA -> RGBA ain't stupid either |
| 22:33:47 | <newsham> | oh but for fun color from a 3rd party package is concretely only for floats. so not so much functor. |
| 22:34:34 | <newsham> | evanr: thats besides the point. I need to be able to scale things by floats in [0..1]. i dont need to scale ints by ints. |
| 22:34:56 | <int-e> | > fmap (7*) (Data.Functor.Const.Const ()) |
| 22:34:57 | <lambdabot> | error: |
| 22:34:57 | <lambdabot> | Not in scope: data constructor ‘Data.Functor.Const.Const’ |
| 22:34:57 | <lambdabot> | No module named ‘Data.Functor.Const’ is imported. |
| 22:35:07 | <int-e> | % fmap (7*) (Data.Functor.Const.Const ()) |
| 22:35:07 | <yahb2> | Const () |
| 22:35:31 | <newsham> | complex type gymnastics can let me use a large 3rd party vector package to replace my 3 instance declarations? :) |
| 22:35:57 | <EvanR> | or delete your 3 instances and just use * or a dedicate scale function |
| 22:38:12 | <newsham> | * doesnt do color * float. my 3 instances define 3 dedicated scale functions. |
| 22:39:40 | <newsham> | oh, nice. `*` does do float x color. |
| 22:40:31 | <newsham> | oh, i'm mistaken. it can just convert numeric constants to colors. |
| 22:40:39 | <newsham> | and do color x color |
| 22:40:56 | <EvanR> | scaling by a "real" is traditionally the purview of "vector space" |
| 22:40:56 | <newsham> | anyway.. i've got my instance i'm happy with.. going to goof off with other stuff. thanks for the tips. |
| 22:42:30 | <EvanR> | but specifically only dealing in scale factors between 0 and 1 sounds more like probability |
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| 23:00:11 | <fgarcia> | the function name had me confused, i think "darken" might work |
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| 23:03:36 | <EvanR> | I've wondered this a couple times, if there was any point in abstracting sliders or knobs or UI elements which could almost be logically between 0 and 1 but it never seemed worth it |
| 23:03:59 | <EvanR> | s/almost/only/ |
| 23:06:56 | <geekosaur> | abstracting UI elements is already pretty difficult, granting that unless you're talking FRP the real complication is interfacing with an OOP graphics library |
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| 23:10:09 | <EvanR> | I mean their values |
| 23:10:21 | <EvanR> | but yeah, why is UI so hard |
| 23:10:31 | <EvanR> | after all these decades |
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